Black and White and Man and Woman - US elections
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Evidently McCain is hiding some Polyester suits somewhere, since his VP choice brings nothing else to the table except decent looks and youth - neither of which are high on my list of presidential qualities).
Rob Graham wrote:
Evidently McCain is hiding some Polyester suits somewhere
That's the problem with officers who don't retire until they've got 30 in. They have no idea how to wear civilian clothes. ;)
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Kant wrote:
Could be smart move by McCain by choosing lady as Vice President candidate. (move to sway Hillary supporters)
Nope. Stupidest thing he could have done, IMO. Palin is a committed right-to-life candidate (her main qualification to get picked). She represents a move to the right for McCain, at a time when he should have moved to the center. That choice will cost him the election, because the right wing base still won't show up at the polls for him, but Palin will put off independents , Hillary Democrats, and centrists. It will certainty cost McCain my vote, since it says the only issue he and the Republicans care about is abortion, and that at the expense of everything else. Obama is right, McCain only offers 4 more years of the Bush mindset. At this point I'm done with the GOP. Guess all that remains is the Libertarians...
Rob Graham wrote:
It will certainty cost McCain my vote
He may well have gained my vote though. I don't know Palin well but if she is a true conservative, I'll vote for her. BTW, libertarians suck.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Rob Graham wrote:
It will certainty cost McCain my vote
He may well have gained my vote though. I don't know Palin well but if she is a true conservative, I'll vote for her. BTW, libertarians suck.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I watched an episode of Dr. House some time ago when they were curing a black president candidate and House told him that he wouldn't win because the White House does not have its name for no reason. :laugh:
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Clearly not. Just because you wish it were so does not make it so.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
BTW, libertarians suck.
Especially Thomas Jefferson ;)
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ol' Tom never even heard of libertarians. ANd he certainly did not design a libertarian form of government. And, btw, libertairans are NOT constitutionalists.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I am not sure it was about appeasing the base. I wouldn't have chosen her, but neither does it make me mad enough to stay home. I think he was trying to "play safe" by picking someone who will piss off the least.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I am not sure it was about appeasing the base.
Limbaugh and Beck have both been touting her. It was all about pleasing the base. Hope they're pleased as punch, because it will practically guarantee Obama the election.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
neither does it make me mad enough to stay home.
I don't plan to stay home, but my vote will go elsewhere than to McCain. Bob Barr might do just fine, provided he has something rational to say on energy and health care.
Rob Graham wrote:
Bob Barr might do just fine
I'm certainly not that mad. :laugh: I don't have anything against Barr; for what it's worth I am not all that fond of McCain. I don't think that Obama will make a good President, so much so, that I plan to set aside the things I don't like about McCain or his VP choice. I am more of a pragmatist when it comes to politics.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Let's see 2 years as governor vs 3 years in the US Senate.
McCain's VP The Sandpoint-born Palin was a surprise pick for many because she has served as Alaska's governor for just two years. Before that, she was a Wasilla, Alaska, city councilor from 1992 to 1996 (Population 6,715). Graduated from the UI in 1987 with a degree in journalism. VS Obama Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA Undergraduate, 1981-1983 Columbia University B.A. Political Science with specialization in international relations Thesis topic: Soviet nuclear disarmament Illinois Senate 1996-2004 chairman, Health and Human Services Committee United States Senate 2004-present Member, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman, Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Member, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Member, Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs Should I compare Obama's VP to McCain's VP?
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You guys can argue about it all day long. But to me the platform is far more important that experience. And up until Palin, Obama and Biden both have piss poor platforms, and McCain is a democrat that decided to be a Republican just in time to run on that ticket and essentially has no platform. Palin as the VP pick actually brings a conservative to the ticket. This may diswade a few swing votes, but I'm betting most of the right can now feel more enthusiastic about voting for the old goat.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I don't think McCain made the right choice either, but it has nothing to do with experience.
So, what does it have to do with (actually I largely agree, - there might be other inexperienced choices that would have been brilliant)? To me the significant issue is that it displays poor judgment or poor advice not rejected (same as poor judgment). It also suggests some discouraging things about the lengths McCain is willing to go to t appease his supposed "base".
Rob Graham wrote:
It also suggests some discouraging things about the lengths McCain is willing to go to t appease his supposed "base".
You mean like promising universal well fair and tax cuts all in the same speach?
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I think he was trying to "play safe" by picking someone who will piss off the least.
it is just too bad republicans have such a god awful pool of candidates to choose from. maybe that is saying something...
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We had some great candidates to choose from. Somehow they got dumped in the primary fiasco. I still want an explaination for that too. There's not a Republican alive that actually wants McCain.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I am not sure it was about appeasing the base.
Limbaugh and Beck have both been touting her. It was all about pleasing the base. Hope they're pleased as punch, because it will practically guarantee Obama the election.
Rob Graham wrote:
Hope they're pleased as punch, because it will practically guarantee Obama the election.
I disagree. I think he just won the election. Before Palin came into the picture, I would have called either a 50/50 shot. I think Palin will pull in some swings, and will certainly give the right more incentive to get off the couch on election day than we had before.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
She's young and hot,
Take that, Joe Biden. ;P (who says he got drop dead gorgeous wife) Palin has photogenic face.
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Kant wrote:
who says he got drop dead gorgeous wife
Umm... Nobody with a working set of eyes who likes women. She's a crusty old crone. Obama's wife on the other hand...
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Rob Graham wrote:
since it says
You didn't need to wait for this VP pick to know his position on abortion. He has always been a hard core 'pro-life' Republican.
Then I guess he does have one plus... Now if he were just conservative on some other issues.
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Kant wrote:
Could be smart move by McCain by choosing lady as Vice President candidate. (move to sway Hillary supporters)
This is getting interesting. The most common argument conservatives use against Obama is that he is an "empty suit", "no substance", "another Paris Hilton", etc, etc... OTH, the only thing the Republicans seem to care about McCain is "he was a prisoner of war" and "a war hero" (as if it somehow meant competence and sound policies). And now who they choose for VP? Someone whose career is little more than former miss Alaska and sports journalist. That's a way to show substance, eh? Why didn't they pick Paris Hilton, instead?
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
That's never been my argument against Obama. His flamingly liberal communistic platform is my biggest beef. Seems like a nice smart guy, he's just wrong on everything.
Diego Moita wrote:
the only thing the Republicans seem to care about McCain is "he was a prisoner of war" and "a war hero"
Nope, I care most about his flamingly liberal communistic platform that shifts to accomodate whoever's listening at the time. The only plus he's got on Obama is that his platform seems to be slightly less flamingly liberal and communistic.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
? When it comes to experience, the Democrat's trump card is their VP candidate?
And The Republican's trump card is? I think this choice speaks very poorly of McCain's judgment. From Karl Rove: The first rule of VP selection is "do no harm". This choice kills (or at least damages) the experience factor, drives off most independents, and offends the disaffected Hillary supporters (who weren't all women, and certainly weren't pro-life types.). It is no more than a transparent sop to the party's right wing, who still won't support McCain because they don't trust him.
Rob Graham wrote:
From Karl Rove: The first rule of VP selection is "do no harm".
Exactly. I've long said, the VP slot can't win an election for you, but it sure as hell can lose it. McCain seems to have made what is obviously a losing choice.
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ol' Tom never even heard of libertarians. ANd he certainly did not design a libertarian form of government. And, btw, libertairans are NOT constitutionalists.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
ANd he certainly did not design a libertarian form of government.
Sure he did: it was called the Congress of the Confederation.
Stan Shannon wrote:
libertairans are NOT constitutionalists.
Got that right. They figger no-one and no-thing grants rights to the people, or can take 'em away.
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Rob Graham wrote:
Hope they're pleased as punch, because it will practically guarantee Obama the election.
I disagree. I think he just won the election. Before Palin came into the picture, I would have called either a 50/50 shot. I think Palin will pull in some swings, and will certainly give the right more incentive to get off the couch on election day than we had before.
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You guys can argue about it all day long. But to me the platform is far more important that experience. And up until Palin, Obama and Biden both have piss poor platforms, and McCain is a democrat that decided to be a Republican just in time to run on that ticket and essentially has no platform. Palin as the VP pick actually brings a conservative to the ticket. This may diswade a few swing votes, but I'm betting most of the right can now feel more enthusiastic about voting for the old goat.
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BoneSoft wrote:
most of the right can now feel more enthusiastic about voting for the old goat.
But most of the right has never been enough to elect Republicans. They have depended on the so-called Reagan Democrats for their extraordinary number of Presidential wins. I don't see her appealing to that crowd. As her anti-abortion stance, while appealing to the Christian Right, will send every last disaffected Hillary supporter firmly into Obama's camp.
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Kant wrote:
who says he got drop dead gorgeous wife
Umm... Nobody with a working set of eyes who likes women. She's a crusty old crone. Obama's wife on the other hand...
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BoneSoft wrote:
Nobody with a working set of eyes who likes women. She's a crusty old crone.
He sees her as she was thirty years ago. The ability to do that is, I think, what keeps marriages together and makes the "until death do us part" possible. God bless him for feeling that way.
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