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    You can take the test here[^]. :) Interestingly enough, if you look at the scores[^] for the candidates for the U.S. presidential election, the most left-leaning Democratic candidate is NOT Barack Obama, but Dennis Kucinich. On the Republican side, the most right-leaning candidate is actually Ron Paul, and the most left-leaning candidate among the Republicans is John McCain. What's disturbing about all this is that aside from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, all of the candidates from the primaries are in the Right Authoritarian quadrant. So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian. In other words, both wings of the system are in the same quadrant, and what you essentially get is a false choice. Anyway, back to my question--what was your score, and which candidate will you vote for?

    Do you know...LinFu?

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      You can take the test here[^]. :) Interestingly enough, if you look at the scores[^] for the candidates for the U.S. presidential election, the most left-leaning Democratic candidate is NOT Barack Obama, but Dennis Kucinich. On the Republican side, the most right-leaning candidate is actually Ron Paul, and the most left-leaning candidate among the Republicans is John McCain. What's disturbing about all this is that aside from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, all of the candidates from the primaries are in the Right Authoritarian quadrant. So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian. In other words, both wings of the system are in the same quadrant, and what you essentially get is a false choice. Anyway, back to my question--what was your score, and which candidate will you vote for?

      Do you know...LinFu?

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      3.4, -1.5 - (slightly)Libertarian right, and I have not decided - I am disappointed with the choices, and will likely end up voting for the Libertarian Candidate. Since I live in a solidly Red state, this matters little, McCain will almost certainly gather all the Electoral votes in this state, but I would not feel right being one  of them.

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        3.4, -1.5 - (slightly)Libertarian right, and I have not decided - I am disappointed with the choices, and will likely end up voting for the Libertarian Candidate. Since I live in a solidly Red state, this matters little, McCain will almost certainly gather all the Electoral votes in this state, but I would not feel right being one  of them.

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        My Score was: Economic Left/Right: -4.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64 I guess that makes me an anarchist :laugh: I won't vote for either candidate since neither one of them can show exactly how they're going to pay back the $13 trillion dollar debt that the U.S. currently owes the rest of the world. It's irresponsible to think that the U.S. government can keep spending and spending money that it clearly doesn't have and then act as if China isn't around the corner to collect on the U.S. foreign debt, and when that happens, the U.S. is going to be more poor than some third world countries out there. I hope never I have to see that in my lifetime. EDIT: If you take a look at the list of account balances by country[^], you'll notice that the U.S. is at the very bottom of the list at #188. Even the small country of Haiti has more money that we do!

        Do you know...LinFu?

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          You can take the test here[^]. :) Interestingly enough, if you look at the scores[^] for the candidates for the U.S. presidential election, the most left-leaning Democratic candidate is NOT Barack Obama, but Dennis Kucinich. On the Republican side, the most right-leaning candidate is actually Ron Paul, and the most left-leaning candidate among the Republicans is John McCain. What's disturbing about all this is that aside from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, all of the candidates from the primaries are in the Right Authoritarian quadrant. So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian. In other words, both wings of the system are in the same quadrant, and what you essentially get is a false choice. Anyway, back to my question--what was your score, and which candidate will you vote for?

          Do you know...LinFu?

          modified on Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:07 PM

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          Economic Left/Right: -4.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67 Wouldn't have thought I would have come down so hard on the Libertarian side. I'll be voting for Obama.

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            You can take the test here[^]. :) Interestingly enough, if you look at the scores[^] for the candidates for the U.S. presidential election, the most left-leaning Democratic candidate is NOT Barack Obama, but Dennis Kucinich. On the Republican side, the most right-leaning candidate is actually Ron Paul, and the most left-leaning candidate among the Republicans is John McCain. What's disturbing about all this is that aside from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, all of the candidates from the primaries are in the Right Authoritarian quadrant. So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian. In other words, both wings of the system are in the same quadrant, and what you essentially get is a false choice. Anyway, back to my question--what was your score, and which candidate will you vote for?

            Do you know...LinFu?

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            Oakman
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            Economic Left/Right: -3.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79 Slightly libertarian, slightly left - just like mah hero, Thomas Jefferson. I'm thinking I might write in Ron Paul's name. My state is as red as it gets, so my vote for President is meaningless, but a little extra work for the poll counters is worth the effort.

            Philip Laureano wrote:

            you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian

            Why is this a surprise? America has been right/authoritarian since Andy Jackson.

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              You can take the test here[^]. :) Interestingly enough, if you look at the scores[^] for the candidates for the U.S. presidential election, the most left-leaning Democratic candidate is NOT Barack Obama, but Dennis Kucinich. On the Republican side, the most right-leaning candidate is actually Ron Paul, and the most left-leaning candidate among the Republicans is John McCain. What's disturbing about all this is that aside from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, all of the candidates from the primaries are in the Right Authoritarian quadrant. So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian. In other words, both wings of the system are in the same quadrant, and what you essentially get is a false choice. Anyway, back to my question--what was your score, and which candidate will you vote for?

              Do you know...LinFu?

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              Economic Left/Right: -3.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69 Funny though, if you asked me I'd say I lean more to the right

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                Economic Left/Right: -3.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79 Slightly libertarian, slightly left - just like mah hero, Thomas Jefferson. I'm thinking I might write in Ron Paul's name. My state is as red as it gets, so my vote for President is meaningless, but a little extra work for the poll counters is worth the effort.

                Philip Laureano wrote:

                you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian

                Why is this a surprise? America has been right/authoritarian since Andy Jackson.

                Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                Philip Laureano
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                Oakman wrote:

                Philip Laureano wrote: you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian Why is this a surprise? America has been right/authoritarian since Andy Jackson.

                It's only a surprise because both the right and the left wing media make it seem like you're picking two candidates on opposite ends of the spectrum when in reality, you get two people that are closer together in policy than a lot of people realize. As for Andrew Jackson, well, it's too bad that America now can't do what he did with the bankers of his day. The Federal Reserve is a blight on the system, and the economy wouldn't be in the mess that it is in right now if it weren't for the artificially low interest rates they placed on loans in the 1990s.

                Do you know...LinFu?

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                • P Philip Laureano

                  You can take the test here[^]. :) Interestingly enough, if you look at the scores[^] for the candidates for the U.S. presidential election, the most left-leaning Democratic candidate is NOT Barack Obama, but Dennis Kucinich. On the Republican side, the most right-leaning candidate is actually Ron Paul, and the most left-leaning candidate among the Republicans is John McCain. What's disturbing about all this is that aside from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, all of the candidates from the primaries are in the Right Authoritarian quadrant. So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian. In other words, both wings of the system are in the same quadrant, and what you essentially get is a false choice. Anyway, back to my question--what was your score, and which candidate will you vote for?

                  Do you know...LinFu?

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                  blackjack2150
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                  Economic Left/Right: -4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.05 I'm actually pleased with that. No surprises for me.

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                  • P Philip Laureano

                    You can take the test here[^]. :) Interestingly enough, if you look at the scores[^] for the candidates for the U.S. presidential election, the most left-leaning Democratic candidate is NOT Barack Obama, but Dennis Kucinich. On the Republican side, the most right-leaning candidate is actually Ron Paul, and the most left-leaning candidate among the Republicans is John McCain. What's disturbing about all this is that aside from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, all of the candidates from the primaries are in the Right Authoritarian quadrant. So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian. In other words, both wings of the system are in the same quadrant, and what you essentially get is a false choice. Anyway, back to my question--what was your score, and which candidate will you vote for?

                    Do you know...LinFu?

                    modified on Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:07 PM

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                    Economic Left/Right: -6.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69 It's interesting seeing where Hillary Clinton would be ... damn conservative :P

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                      You can take the test here[^]. :) Interestingly enough, if you look at the scores[^] for the candidates for the U.S. presidential election, the most left-leaning Democratic candidate is NOT Barack Obama, but Dennis Kucinich. On the Republican side, the most right-leaning candidate is actually Ron Paul, and the most left-leaning candidate among the Republicans is John McCain. What's disturbing about all this is that aside from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, all of the candidates from the primaries are in the Right Authoritarian quadrant. So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian. In other words, both wings of the system are in the same quadrant, and what you essentially get is a false choice. Anyway, back to my question--what was your score, and which candidate will you vote for?

                      Do you know...LinFu?

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                      -8.38 -2.10 To the left of ghandi but slightly more authoritarian than ghandi. Stupid work ethic Absolutely no surprise there, though I may be getting more authortarian as I get older.

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                        Economic Left/Right: -6.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69 It's interesting seeing where Hillary Clinton would be ... damn conservative :P

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                        originSH wrote:

                        It's interesting seeing where Hillary Clinton would be ... damn conservative :P

                        I'm willing to bet that she falls squarely on the RA quadrant, as well. Now that I think of it, I have yet to see anyone here with an Economic Right score greater than three, despite the fact that there seems to be a lot of posts regarding which candidate is better, and why. What you have is a lot of 'lefties' that are arguing which (geometrically) right wing candidate is more suited to their needs. Does anyone else here smell the irony?

                        Do you know...LinFu?

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                        • P Philip Laureano

                          You can take the test here[^]. :) Interestingly enough, if you look at the scores[^] for the candidates for the U.S. presidential election, the most left-leaning Democratic candidate is NOT Barack Obama, but Dennis Kucinich. On the Republican side, the most right-leaning candidate is actually Ron Paul, and the most left-leaning candidate among the Republicans is John McCain. What's disturbing about all this is that aside from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, all of the candidates from the primaries are in the Right Authoritarian quadrant. So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian. In other words, both wings of the system are in the same quadrant, and what you essentially get is a false choice. Anyway, back to my question--what was your score, and which candidate will you vote for?

                          Do you know...LinFu?

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                          KaRl
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                          Economic Left/Right: -5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90 Like the Dalai Lama.

                          Philip Laureano wrote:

                          So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian

                          I think it's clear to anybody that there are no left-wing party in the US, the choice for the presidential election is between the center-right and the right wing.

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                            Economic Left/Right: -3.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.79 Slightly libertarian, slightly left - just like mah hero, Thomas Jefferson. I'm thinking I might write in Ron Paul's name. My state is as red as it gets, so my vote for President is meaningless, but a little extra work for the poll counters is worth the effort.

                            Philip Laureano wrote:

                            you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian

                            Why is this a surprise? America has been right/authoritarian since Andy Jackson.

                            Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                            Stan Shannon
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                            Oakman wrote:

                            just like mah hero, Thomas Jefferson

                            Yes, your hero would have agreed that the state should not be empowered to force anyone's moral/political beliefs upon others - including his own.

                            Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                              originSH wrote:

                              It's interesting seeing where Hillary Clinton would be ... damn conservative :P

                              I'm willing to bet that she falls squarely on the RA quadrant, as well. Now that I think of it, I have yet to see anyone here with an Economic Right score greater than three, despite the fact that there seems to be a lot of posts regarding which candidate is better, and why. What you have is a lot of 'lefties' that are arguing which (geometrically) right wing candidate is more suited to their needs. Does anyone else here smell the irony?

                              Do you know...LinFu?

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                              originSH
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                              http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2008[^] She's about 4R 2A, so pretty firmly in there. It is pretty funny that even the "lefties" are "righties" in this case :P

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                              • P Philip Laureano

                                You can take the test here[^]. :) Interestingly enough, if you look at the scores[^] for the candidates for the U.S. presidential election, the most left-leaning Democratic candidate is NOT Barack Obama, but Dennis Kucinich. On the Republican side, the most right-leaning candidate is actually Ron Paul, and the most left-leaning candidate among the Republicans is John McCain. What's disturbing about all this is that aside from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, all of the candidates from the primaries are in the Right Authoritarian quadrant. So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian. In other words, both wings of the system are in the same quadrant, and what you essentially get is a false choice. Anyway, back to my question--what was your score, and which candidate will you vote for?

                                Do you know...LinFu?

                                modified on Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:07 PM

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                                Economic Left/Right: -2.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85 I've always been more libertarian the authoritarian, but the left/right bit varies depending on which questions you ask me... :rolleyes:

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                                  You can take the test here[^]. :) Interestingly enough, if you look at the scores[^] for the candidates for the U.S. presidential election, the most left-leaning Democratic candidate is NOT Barack Obama, but Dennis Kucinich. On the Republican side, the most right-leaning candidate is actually Ron Paul, and the most left-leaning candidate among the Republicans is John McCain. What's disturbing about all this is that aside from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, all of the candidates from the primaries are in the Right Authoritarian quadrant. So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian. In other words, both wings of the system are in the same quadrant, and what you essentially get is a false choice. Anyway, back to my question--what was your score, and which candidate will you vote for?

                                  Do you know...LinFu?

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                                  Dan Neely
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                                  The libertarians quiz is notoriously known to be biased, even more than most of the other online political tests. :rolleyes: That said, Tovorich Kucinich has ran on the ultra loony left fringe of the dem party for decades because IIRC his district includes O'Berlin college, which gives Berzerkly a run for it's money as the most leftist college in the nation.

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                                    Oakman wrote:

                                    just like mah hero, Thomas Jefferson

                                    Yes, your hero would have agreed that the state should not be empowered to force anyone's moral/political beliefs upon others - including his own.

                                    Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                                    Yes, your hero would have agreed that the state should not be empowered to force anyone's moral/political beliefs upon others - including his own.

                                    Absolutely - he was a tolerant man who believed that truth did not need protection by the state.

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                                      You can take the test here[^]. :) Interestingly enough, if you look at the scores[^] for the candidates for the U.S. presidential election, the most left-leaning Democratic candidate is NOT Barack Obama, but Dennis Kucinich. On the Republican side, the most right-leaning candidate is actually Ron Paul, and the most left-leaning candidate among the Republicans is John McCain. What's disturbing about all this is that aside from Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel, all of the candidates from the primaries are in the Right Authoritarian quadrant. So no matter who you decide to vote for in the Right/Left Wing of the U.S. political system, you're actually choosing a Right Authoritarian. In other words, both wings of the system are in the same quadrant, and what you essentially get is a false choice. Anyway, back to my question--what was your score, and which candidate will you vote for?

                                      Do you know...LinFu?

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                                      Mike Gaskey
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                                      Economic Left/Right: 5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13

                                      Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                                        Economic Left/Right: 5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13

                                        Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                                        Oakman
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                                        Mike Gaskey wrote:

                                        Economic Left/Right: 5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13

                                        I think the proper classification here is Monarchist. ;)

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                                          Mike Gaskey wrote:

                                          Economic Left/Right: 5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13

                                          I think the proper classification here is Monarchist. ;)

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                                          Oakman wrote:

                                          I think the proper classification here is Monarchist.

                                          ya, but only as long as I wear the crown!! problem is, there's not middle of the road choices. I've also discovered that as I age I see things in black and white terms. when I was younger I saw many shades of gray.

                                          Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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