How far the Republican party has descended
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oilFactotum wrote:
I'm afraid you will really be foaming at the mouth in November.
Nonsense. A radically leftist government (the kind guys like you would support) suits my purposes far better than would another milquetoast republican administration paying lipservice to conservative principles. It is a perfect time for conservatives to abandon the field to the left, fall back and regroup.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
A radically leftist government
You really are going to be disappointed then. If Obama is elected you aren't going to see a radically leftist government. We have most definitely had a radical government for the last 8 years and, with any luck, we'll have a president Obama who will put that to an end.
Stan Shannon wrote:
fall back and regroup.
Amen to that. The R's very much need to re-embrace conservative principles.
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Doug Goulden wrote:
just amazed at the indignation that Dems will heap on the Republicans
I don't know what you are talking about. Indignant over "Waterboard Obama"? It's no skin off my nose. I'm more than happy to see McCain and the Republicans go down in flames with their self-destructive negative campaign.
Doug Goulden wrote:
while being just as nasty and intellectually dishonest.
You can choose to believe that, of course, but most Americans seem to disagree with you.
oilFactotum wrote:
but most Americans seem to disagree with you.
I would bet my bottom dollar that a great majority of Americans would vote "none of the above," if they could. Note that the nation's opinion of Congress, under both Republican and Democratic leadership has been the one thing consistently lower than Bush's approval rating.
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oilFactotum wrote:
but most Americans seem to disagree with you.
I would bet my bottom dollar that a great majority of Americans would vote "none of the above," if they could. Note that the nation's opinion of Congress, under both Republican and Democratic leadership has been the one thing consistently lower than Bush's approval rating.
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Oakman wrote:
I would bet my bottom dollar that a great majority of Americans would vote "none of the above,
Maybe, maybe not. I am curious as to what conclusion(s) you think you could draw from that, if it were true.
Oakman wrote:
Note that the nation's opinion of Congress, under both Republican and Democratic leadership has been the one thing consistently lower than Bush's approval rating.
Not sure how that relates to the public's opinion on the relative nastiness of the two campaigns.
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Oakman wrote:
I would bet my bottom dollar that a great majority of Americans would vote "none of the above,
Maybe, maybe not. I am curious as to what conclusion(s) you think you could draw from that, if it were true.
Oakman wrote:
Note that the nation's opinion of Congress, under both Republican and Democratic leadership has been the one thing consistently lower than Bush's approval rating.
Not sure how that relates to the public's opinion on the relative nastiness of the two campaigns.
oilFactotum wrote:
Not sure how that relates to the public's opinion on the relative nastiness of the two campaigns.
I sit corrected. I leapt to the concept of the relative attractiveness of the two parties, which, I agree, was not your point.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
When you are being drug down and getting the crap beat out of you by hoards of nine year olds
Assuming that all of your opponets are as childish as you are is a great way of being send to your room without supper.
Stan Shannon wrote:
you have no choice but to fight back in kind
The dumbest thing you can do is fight back 'in kind.' Never, ever, let your opponent(s) determine the level of combat. If you decide that you need to fight, then you fight to win, using all necessary force - no more, and no less.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Lieing in a bloody heap proud of your maturity while your society is given over to the nine year olds is hardly a solution.
Exactly the kind of imaginative defense a nine-year old would offer to excuse his behavior. I didn't buy it from my kids, and I'm certainly not going to get swept up in your fantasies, either.
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Oakman wrote:
The dumbest thing you can do is fight back 'in kind.' Never, ever, let your opponent(s) determine the level of combat. If you decide that you need to fight, then you fight to win, using all necessary force - no more, and no less.
No, the dumbest thing you can do in a fight is allow your opponent to dictate the terms of how it will be fought, to tell you how you are allowed to fight, what tactics and weapons you can use. To win a a fight you must be able to turn your opponent's greatest strengths against him.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
A radically leftist government
You really are going to be disappointed then. If Obama is elected you aren't going to see a radically leftist government. We have most definitely had a radical government for the last 8 years and, with any luck, we'll have a president Obama who will put that to an end.
Stan Shannon wrote:
fall back and regroup.
Amen to that. The R's very much need to re-embrace conservative principles.
oilFactotum wrote:
You really are going to be disappointed then. If Obama is elected you aren't going to see a radically leftist government. We have most definitely had a radical government for the last 8 years and, with any luck, we'll have a president Obama who will put that to an end.
We'll see. Obama has two choices. He can continue Bush's basic policies (which will leave those such as yourself feeling betrayed) or he can implement the kinds of change people like you want (which will leave everyone else who voted for him feeeling betrayed). If he changes Bush policies and bad things happen he loses. I'm certain that, in any case, you will see nothing Obama does as being radical because you are from the same basic America hating background that he is. The question is will the rest of the center right American electorate who put him in power feel the same way?
oilFactotum wrote:
The R's very much need to re-embrace conservative principles.
I agree completely. The republicans deserved to be taught a lesson, to be knocked back to a core base of pro-free market, pro-christian, pro-jeffersonian core, and begin rebuilding from there for as long as it takes for the American people to become tired of being turned into a European social welfare state.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Doug Goulden wrote:
just amazed at the indignation that Dems will heap on the Republicans
I don't know what you are talking about. Indignant over "Waterboard Obama"? It's no skin off my nose. I'm more than happy to see McCain and the Republicans go down in flames with their self-destructive negative campaign.
Doug Goulden wrote:
while being just as nasty and intellectually dishonest.
You can choose to believe that, of course, but most Americans seem to disagree with you.
oilFactotum wrote:
but most Americans seem to disagree with you.
They feel the same way about the treatment of Palin. The democrats and their media allies make every effort to destroy conservative politicians by every underhanded misinformation methodology in their bag of dirty tricks. Well, fine, keep it up. Bring it on, you'll get what you deserve in the end...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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oilFactotum wrote:
but most Americans seem to disagree with you.
They feel the same way about the treatment of Palin. The democrats and their media allies make every effort to destroy conservative politicians by every underhanded misinformation methodology in their bag of dirty tricks. Well, fine, keep it up. Bring it on, you'll get what you deserve in the end...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
They feel the same way about the treatment of Palin.
And they also feel she is not prepared to be President and most people don't like her(high negative ratings).
Stan Shannon wrote:
The democrats and their media allies...
Evil Democrats...left wing media...blah, blah, blah... :rolleyes:
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oilFactotum wrote:
You really are going to be disappointed then. If Obama is elected you aren't going to see a radically leftist government. We have most definitely had a radical government for the last 8 years and, with any luck, we'll have a president Obama who will put that to an end.
We'll see. Obama has two choices. He can continue Bush's basic policies (which will leave those such as yourself feeling betrayed) or he can implement the kinds of change people like you want (which will leave everyone else who voted for him feeeling betrayed). If he changes Bush policies and bad things happen he loses. I'm certain that, in any case, you will see nothing Obama does as being radical because you are from the same basic America hating background that he is. The question is will the rest of the center right American electorate who put him in power feel the same way?
oilFactotum wrote:
The R's very much need to re-embrace conservative principles.
I agree completely. The republicans deserved to be taught a lesson, to be knocked back to a core base of pro-free market, pro-christian, pro-jeffersonian core, and begin rebuilding from there for as long as it takes for the American people to become tired of being turned into a European social welfare state.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Obama has two choices
It's amazing how your binary view of the world blinds you. How bizarre that you think the only choice available to the next president are the Bush Doctrine and communism - what a barren world view.
Stan Shannon wrote:
because you are from the same basic America hating background that he is.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Obama has two choices
It's amazing how your binary view of the world blinds you. How bizarre that you think the only choice available to the next president are the Bush Doctrine and communism - what a barren world view.
Stan Shannon wrote:
because you are from the same basic America hating background that he is.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
We'll see...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
The dumbest thing you can do is fight back 'in kind.' Never, ever, let your opponent(s) determine the level of combat. If you decide that you need to fight, then you fight to win, using all necessary force - no more, and no less.
No, the dumbest thing you can do in a fight is allow your opponent to dictate the terms of how it will be fought, to tell you how you are allowed to fight, what tactics and weapons you can use. To win a a fight you must be able to turn your opponent's greatest strengths against him.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
No, the dumbest thing you can do in a fight is allow your opponent to dictate the terms of how it will be fought,
Stan, you demonstrate every day that you have no idea how to fight.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
No, the dumbest thing you can do in a fight is allow your opponent to dictate the terms of how it will be fought,
Stan, you demonstrate every day that you have no idea how to fight.
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Oakman wrote:
Stan, you demonstrate every day that you have no idea how to fight.
No, actually, I don't. What is demonstrated every day is that as long as conservatives continue to take advice from the libertarians, we will continue to lose.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
Stan, you demonstrate every day that you have no idea how to fight.
No, actually, I don't. What is demonstrated every day is that as long as conservatives continue to take advice from the libertarians, we will continue to lose.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
No, actually, I don't
Then how come you lose all the time?
Stan Shannon wrote:
conservatives continue to take advice from the libertarians
Yeah. Gotta get rid of Thomas Jefferson and his ilk.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
No, actually, I don't
Then how come you lose all the time?
Stan Shannon wrote:
conservatives continue to take advice from the libertarians
Yeah. Gotta get rid of Thomas Jefferson and his ilk.
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Oakman wrote:
Then how come you lose all the time?
I don't. (Speaking of acting like a nine year old,btw)
Oakman wrote:
Gotta get rid of Thomas Jefferson and his ilk.
Oakman wrote:
Gotta get rid of Thomas Jefferson and his ilk.
We certainly need to shout down those who mischaracterize the man as a libertarian. He wasn't. He would have seen the inherent unworkability of libertarian principles as easily as any other intelligent person. That's why he didn't create a government based on those principles.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.