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    Al Beback
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    During last night's presidential debate, McCain brought up Obama's street encounter with Joe the Plumber in an attempt to frame Obama as a "spread-the-wealth" liberal. Obama could have responded better, IMO, based on his actual exchange with Joe. After the debate, Joe held an interview with Katie Couric where he said that his question to Obama was basically hypothetical -- not based on his situation. He also said Obama had basically tap-danced around giving him a real response. Here's the full six-minute video[^] of Joe's chat with Obama. I tell you, it's moments like these that make me feel really glad to have Obama running for president. Obama is someone our country can finally feel proud of. I just wish he could have handled McCain better last night. Something like this would have been great: "I did indeed have a nice conversation with Joe on the streets of Toledo, where we discussed my tax plans for small businesses and what it would mean to him. That conversation lasted six minutes, John. Now, as usual, you're taking a small phrase out of context out of the six minutes and trying to use it against me. It's not going to work John. In fact, I'm not going to spend another minute talking about this. The video of the conversation will be posted on my website for everyone to see. Let the people decide. Next question!"

    Q: Does John McCain wear boxers or briefs? A: Depends.

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      During last night's presidential debate, McCain brought up Obama's street encounter with Joe the Plumber in an attempt to frame Obama as a "spread-the-wealth" liberal. Obama could have responded better, IMO, based on his actual exchange with Joe. After the debate, Joe held an interview with Katie Couric where he said that his question to Obama was basically hypothetical -- not based on his situation. He also said Obama had basically tap-danced around giving him a real response. Here's the full six-minute video[^] of Joe's chat with Obama. I tell you, it's moments like these that make me feel really glad to have Obama running for president. Obama is someone our country can finally feel proud of. I just wish he could have handled McCain better last night. Something like this would have been great: "I did indeed have a nice conversation with Joe on the streets of Toledo, where we discussed my tax plans for small businesses and what it would mean to him. That conversation lasted six minutes, John. Now, as usual, you're taking a small phrase out of context out of the six minutes and trying to use it against me. It's not going to work John. In fact, I'm not going to spend another minute talking about this. The video of the conversation will be posted on my website for everyone to see. Let the people decide. Next question!"

      Q: Does John McCain wear boxers or briefs? A: Depends.

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      Ilion
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      [to the tune of "Bob the Builder"] "Joe-the-Plumber. Can We tax him? Yes, We can!"

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        During last night's presidential debate, McCain brought up Obama's street encounter with Joe the Plumber in an attempt to frame Obama as a "spread-the-wealth" liberal. Obama could have responded better, IMO, based on his actual exchange with Joe. After the debate, Joe held an interview with Katie Couric where he said that his question to Obama was basically hypothetical -- not based on his situation. He also said Obama had basically tap-danced around giving him a real response. Here's the full six-minute video[^] of Joe's chat with Obama. I tell you, it's moments like these that make me feel really glad to have Obama running for president. Obama is someone our country can finally feel proud of. I just wish he could have handled McCain better last night. Something like this would have been great: "I did indeed have a nice conversation with Joe on the streets of Toledo, where we discussed my tax plans for small businesses and what it would mean to him. That conversation lasted six minutes, John. Now, as usual, you're taking a small phrase out of context out of the six minutes and trying to use it against me. It's not going to work John. In fact, I'm not going to spend another minute talking about this. The video of the conversation will be posted on my website for everyone to see. Let the people decide. Next question!"

        Q: Does John McCain wear boxers or briefs? A: Depends.

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        Oakman
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        Relax Al, Obama did just fine at the debate. So did McCain. And it appears no-one's mind was changed.

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          During last night's presidential debate, McCain brought up Obama's street encounter with Joe the Plumber in an attempt to frame Obama as a "spread-the-wealth" liberal. Obama could have responded better, IMO, based on his actual exchange with Joe. After the debate, Joe held an interview with Katie Couric where he said that his question to Obama was basically hypothetical -- not based on his situation. He also said Obama had basically tap-danced around giving him a real response. Here's the full six-minute video[^] of Joe's chat with Obama. I tell you, it's moments like these that make me feel really glad to have Obama running for president. Obama is someone our country can finally feel proud of. I just wish he could have handled McCain better last night. Something like this would have been great: "I did indeed have a nice conversation with Joe on the streets of Toledo, where we discussed my tax plans for small businesses and what it would mean to him. That conversation lasted six minutes, John. Now, as usual, you're taking a small phrase out of context out of the six minutes and trying to use it against me. It's not going to work John. In fact, I'm not going to spend another minute talking about this. The video of the conversation will be posted on my website for everyone to see. Let the people decide. Next question!"

          Q: Does John McCain wear boxers or briefs? A: Depends.

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          Ed Gadziemski
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          Joe is not a licensed plumber. He is working illegally as an unlicensed plumber. Joe only made $40K in 2006 and is a single father so he would get a hefty tax reduction under Obama's tax plan. Joe owes the State of Ohio $1,200 in back taxes and they have filed a tax lien on his home. Joe is not buying a business and cannot because his credit is abysmal and he does not have the $1.25 million needed to buy a $250K annual going concern. Joe is the relative of a man who went to prison in the Keating 5 scandal. Joe's last name is misspelled in the voting registrar's database so he would be unable to vote if he hadn't registered prior to 2004. Joe is a registered Republican and voted in the Republican primary.

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          • A Al Beback

            During last night's presidential debate, McCain brought up Obama's street encounter with Joe the Plumber in an attempt to frame Obama as a "spread-the-wealth" liberal. Obama could have responded better, IMO, based on his actual exchange with Joe. After the debate, Joe held an interview with Katie Couric where he said that his question to Obama was basically hypothetical -- not based on his situation. He also said Obama had basically tap-danced around giving him a real response. Here's the full six-minute video[^] of Joe's chat with Obama. I tell you, it's moments like these that make me feel really glad to have Obama running for president. Obama is someone our country can finally feel proud of. I just wish he could have handled McCain better last night. Something like this would have been great: "I did indeed have a nice conversation with Joe on the streets of Toledo, where we discussed my tax plans for small businesses and what it would mean to him. That conversation lasted six minutes, John. Now, as usual, you're taking a small phrase out of context out of the six minutes and trying to use it against me. It's not going to work John. In fact, I'm not going to spend another minute talking about this. The video of the conversation will be posted on my website for everyone to see. Let the people decide. Next question!"

            Q: Does John McCain wear boxers or briefs? A: Depends.

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            BoneSoft
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            Al Beback wrote:

            in an attempt to frame Obama as a "spread-the-wealth" liberal

            :laugh: :laugh: :omg: :laugh:


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              Joe is not a licensed plumber. He is working illegally as an unlicensed plumber. Joe only made $40K in 2006 and is a single father so he would get a hefty tax reduction under Obama's tax plan. Joe owes the State of Ohio $1,200 in back taxes and they have filed a tax lien on his home. Joe is not buying a business and cannot because his credit is abysmal and he does not have the $1.25 million needed to buy a $250K annual going concern. Joe is the relative of a man who went to prison in the Keating 5 scandal. Joe's last name is misspelled in the voting registrar's database so he would be unable to vote if he hadn't registered prior to 2004. Joe is a registered Republican and voted in the Republican primary.

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              BoneSoft
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              So?


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              • E Ed Gadziemski

                Joe is not a licensed plumber. He is working illegally as an unlicensed plumber. Joe only made $40K in 2006 and is a single father so he would get a hefty tax reduction under Obama's tax plan. Joe owes the State of Ohio $1,200 in back taxes and they have filed a tax lien on his home. Joe is not buying a business and cannot because his credit is abysmal and he does not have the $1.25 million needed to buy a $250K annual going concern. Joe is the relative of a man who went to prison in the Keating 5 scandal. Joe's last name is misspelled in the voting registrar's database so he would be unable to vote if he hadn't registered prior to 2004. Joe is a registered Republican and voted in the Republican primary.

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                BoneSoft
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                Yeah, but let's not loose track of what's important... What color is Joe's dog?


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                • E Ed Gadziemski

                  Joe is not a licensed plumber. He is working illegally as an unlicensed plumber. Joe only made $40K in 2006 and is a single father so he would get a hefty tax reduction under Obama's tax plan. Joe owes the State of Ohio $1,200 in back taxes and they have filed a tax lien on his home. Joe is not buying a business and cannot because his credit is abysmal and he does not have the $1.25 million needed to buy a $250K annual going concern. Joe is the relative of a man who went to prison in the Keating 5 scandal. Joe's last name is misspelled in the voting registrar's database so he would be unable to vote if he hadn't registered prior to 2004. Joe is a registered Republican and voted in the Republican primary.

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                  BoneSoft
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                  Ooo ooo! Do me next!


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                  • E Ed Gadziemski

                    Joe is not a licensed plumber. He is working illegally as an unlicensed plumber. Joe only made $40K in 2006 and is a single father so he would get a hefty tax reduction under Obama's tax plan. Joe owes the State of Ohio $1,200 in back taxes and they have filed a tax lien on his home. Joe is not buying a business and cannot because his credit is abysmal and he does not have the $1.25 million needed to buy a $250K annual going concern. Joe is the relative of a man who went to prison in the Keating 5 scandal. Joe's last name is misspelled in the voting registrar's database so he would be unable to vote if he hadn't registered prior to 2004. Joe is a registered Republican and voted in the Republican primary.

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                    Ilion
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                    TimesLeader: Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded[^]

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                    • E Ed Gadziemski

                      Joe is not a licensed plumber. He is working illegally as an unlicensed plumber. Joe only made $40K in 2006 and is a single father so he would get a hefty tax reduction under Obama's tax plan. Joe owes the State of Ohio $1,200 in back taxes and they have filed a tax lien on his home. Joe is not buying a business and cannot because his credit is abysmal and he does not have the $1.25 million needed to buy a $250K annual going concern. Joe is the relative of a man who went to prison in the Keating 5 scandal. Joe's last name is misspelled in the voting registrar's database so he would be unable to vote if he hadn't registered prior to 2004. Joe is a registered Republican and voted in the Republican primary.

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                      Ilion
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                      Michelle Malkin: The Left Declares War on Joe the Plumber[^]

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                      • E Ed Gadziemski

                        Joe is not a licensed plumber. He is working illegally as an unlicensed plumber. Joe only made $40K in 2006 and is a single father so he would get a hefty tax reduction under Obama's tax plan. Joe owes the State of Ohio $1,200 in back taxes and they have filed a tax lien on his home. Joe is not buying a business and cannot because his credit is abysmal and he does not have the $1.25 million needed to buy a $250K annual going concern. Joe is the relative of a man who went to prison in the Keating 5 scandal. Joe's last name is misspelled in the voting registrar's database so he would be unable to vote if he hadn't registered prior to 2004. Joe is a registered Republican and voted in the Republican primary.

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                        Ilion
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                        Ed Gadziemski wrote:

                        Joe owes the State of Ohio $1,200 in back taxes and they have filed a tax lien on his home.

                        NY Post: RANGEL'S SPANISH EXCUSE[^] EXPLAINS NOT REPORTING $75,000 INCOME

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                          So?


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                          73Zeppelin
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                          Well, I think what's at issue is "Joe's" (not his real name) claim that Obama's tax plan will prevent him from buying a plumbing business. A claim that is not true at all since "Joe" (real name: Samuel) is actually not a plumber at all and Obama's tax plans are the least of his worries: BBC article[^]. "However, a bit of media digging has uncovered that Mr Wurzelbacher's first name is actually Samuel and he does not have a plumber's licence, although the company he works for does. According to Tony Herrera, of the Plumbers and Steamfitters Local 50 in Toledo, Ohio, Mr Wurzelbacher cannot practise in Toledo without a licence - although he can work for someone with a master's licence or in outlying areas that do not require a licence. According to local court records, Mr Wurzelbacher also owes the state of Ohio $1,182.98 in personal income tax. Mr Wurzelbacher acknowledged he did not have a plumber's licence and admitted in one interview he was "not even close" to earning $250,000. "

                          "If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name in a Swiss bank."

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                            Joe is not a licensed plumber. He is working illegally as an unlicensed plumber. Joe only made $40K in 2006 and is a single father so he would get a hefty tax reduction under Obama's tax plan. Joe owes the State of Ohio $1,200 in back taxes and they have filed a tax lien on his home. Joe is not buying a business and cannot because his credit is abysmal and he does not have the $1.25 million needed to buy a $250K annual going concern. Joe is the relative of a man who went to prison in the Keating 5 scandal. Joe's last name is misspelled in the voting registrar's database so he would be unable to vote if he hadn't registered prior to 2004. Joe is a registered Republican and voted in the Republican primary.

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                            Stan Shannon
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                            Wow! Now if only we knew that much about Obama - you know, the guy who is actually running for office - aside from the fact that he wants to 'spread our wealth around', that is.

                            Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                              Wow! Now if only we knew that much about Obama - you know, the guy who is actually running for office - aside from the fact that he wants to 'spread our wealth around', that is.

                              Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                              Are you worried that "The American Dream" might turn out to be a nightmare?

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                                Well, I think what's at issue is "Joe's" (not his real name) claim that Obama's tax plan will prevent him from buying a plumbing business. A claim that is not true at all since "Joe" (real name: Samuel) is actually not a plumber at all and Obama's tax plans are the least of his worries: BBC article[^]. "However, a bit of media digging has uncovered that Mr Wurzelbacher's first name is actually Samuel and he does not have a plumber's licence, although the company he works for does. According to Tony Herrera, of the Plumbers and Steamfitters Local 50 in Toledo, Ohio, Mr Wurzelbacher cannot practise in Toledo without a licence - although he can work for someone with a master's licence or in outlying areas that do not require a licence. According to local court records, Mr Wurzelbacher also owes the state of Ohio $1,182.98 in personal income tax. Mr Wurzelbacher acknowledged he did not have a plumber's licence and admitted in one interview he was "not even close" to earning $250,000. "

                                "If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name in a Swiss bank."

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                                Gary Kirkham
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                                73Zeppelin wrote:

                                "Joe's" (not his real name)

                                His name is Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher :rolleyes: Surely you can do better

                                73Zeppelin wrote:

                                actually not a plumber at all

                                He is a plumber, he just isn't licenced. Working under a contractor's licence is acceptable, at least it is where I live. From what I have seen, he never claimed to make $250K

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                                • 7 73Zeppelin

                                  Well, I think what's at issue is "Joe's" (not his real name) claim that Obama's tax plan will prevent him from buying a plumbing business. A claim that is not true at all since "Joe" (real name: Samuel) is actually not a plumber at all and Obama's tax plans are the least of his worries: BBC article[^]. "However, a bit of media digging has uncovered that Mr Wurzelbacher's first name is actually Samuel and he does not have a plumber's licence, although the company he works for does. According to Tony Herrera, of the Plumbers and Steamfitters Local 50 in Toledo, Ohio, Mr Wurzelbacher cannot practise in Toledo without a licence - although he can work for someone with a master's licence or in outlying areas that do not require a licence. According to local court records, Mr Wurzelbacher also owes the state of Ohio $1,182.98 in personal income tax. Mr Wurzelbacher acknowledged he did not have a plumber's licence and admitted in one interview he was "not even close" to earning $250,000. "

                                  "If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name in a Swiss bank."

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                                  BoneSoft
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                                  It was a hypothetical question. It doesn't matter if Joe is actually Josephine the one legged crack whore. It doesn't negate anything.


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                                    Ooo ooo! Do me next!


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                                    Oakman
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                                    BoneSoft wrote:

                                    Ooo ooo! Do me next!

                                    Did you really want to put that in print?

                                    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                      BoneSoft wrote:

                                      Ooo ooo! Do me next!

                                      Did you really want to put that in print?

                                      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                      BoneSoft
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                                      It was a tough decision... But there just wasn't a better way to word it. ;P


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                                      • E Ed Gadziemski

                                        Joe is not a licensed plumber. He is working illegally as an unlicensed plumber. Joe only made $40K in 2006 and is a single father so he would get a hefty tax reduction under Obama's tax plan. Joe owes the State of Ohio $1,200 in back taxes and they have filed a tax lien on his home. Joe is not buying a business and cannot because his credit is abysmal and he does not have the $1.25 million needed to buy a $250K annual going concern. Joe is the relative of a man who went to prison in the Keating 5 scandal. Joe's last name is misspelled in the voting registrar's database so he would be unable to vote if he hadn't registered prior to 2004. Joe is a registered Republican and voted in the Republican primary.

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                                        Doesn't it scare the fuck out of you that the media (liberal) has dug up so much on the man in such short order to defend Obama?? Damn!

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                                          Are you worried that "The American Dream" might turn out to be a nightmare?

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                                          Stan Shannon
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                                          It always has been a nightmare - to collectivists...

                                          Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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