Solution for terrorism
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IMHO. Terrorism - no simple answer. To defeat terrorism, you have to correctly identify each brand of terrorism and establish to the best of your abilities the reason for that brand of terrorism. Once you have that basic information, then, you can prepare to address the reasons for the terrorism. You don't bomb, bomb and bomb these terrorists just because of the heat of the moment, you need a proper series (or sequence) of actions, perhaps escalating, to defeat these terrorists based upon your perceived understanding of the basic issues. When you fully have this information, you are better placed to defeat that brand of terrorism, irrespective if it is home-brewed, by proxy, or some international terrorism. Some terrorism is directed directly at you. Other terrorism is directed at a.n.other via you (by proxy). If poverty is a reason, remember there is a vast difference between financial poverty, political poverty, social poverty, and not to forget another brand of terrorism, namely, religion authorized terror tactics, and each needs a different approach to solving the problem(s). One size (solution) does not fit all. Terrorism that is a grievance against a.n.other is perhaps both political and social and may indeed become religious when other kinds fail. A casing point is the plight of the Palestinians. An argument for their brands of terrorism is their distrust of all things Jewish as portrayed by the State of Israel, and by proxy, the United States of America. This can be answered by the resolutions at the United Nations that involve Israel and Palestine but such resolutions have been vetoed by the United States, thus, the problems do not get addressed and consequently grievances grow and grow until such time that terrorism is perceived as the only viable method to make the world sit up and take notice. Yes, Palestine has at least 2 factions, one of which is Al Fatah, and in recent times, have been the desiring peace whereas, Hamas, is located in the Gaza Strip and is hard-lined and not wishing peace until Israel is wiped off the map. So, two different types of Palestinians. You could negotiate with one but never the other. This has to be addressed. How you address it remains largely a mystery. But if you attempt to have a greater understanding, you may in fact find a probable solution. But it takes time and commitment yet bombing or bulldozing peoples houses does not help the situation. Having said that, terrorism should always be condemned wherever it occurs. But trying to understand the cause(s) will help
Excellently put
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Given Al Qaeda's stated objectives, it is at least likely that the destruction of either Islam or Judeo-Christian faiths (and the subjugation of all others) is the only ultimate solution. To say this is not about Islam is just to ignore what the primary ideological leaders of Al Qaeda (which include Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri) are telling us in no uncertain terms. They see Islam as more than just a religion but as an all inclusive way of life that includes law and governance. The western concept of a secular government is anathema to them. It is their stated goal to expel all western influence from muslim lands, and re-establish the Ummah, a single islamic nation under sharia law. This includes the destruction of Israel. It could be an "us or them" choice, because the will brook nothing less. Ignoring the central role of Islam in this is foolhardy, for it is likely that only Muslims can prevent this by expunging the radical elements, and only if they develop a will to do so that is not presently evident. Failing that, Stan's approach may be the only course remaining, and it is uncertain which culture will prevail if things continue as they are. This is not to say all Muslims believe in or support this, but certainly the extremists in the various terrorist movements do, as do all too many others with great influence in the Islamic community. Unchecked, extremists on one side or the other will prevail.
The overwhelming majority of the fundamentalist hardliners are these guys: Clickety[^] and in another thread, I mentioned "proper Islam". The whole of the Muslim world rejects these assholes as Muslims. I'm with you that these guys need elimination, whether through termination or through incarceration that one is up for grabs, because you don't want to make "martyrs" out of these guys.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
All countries fight for their interests using whatever means possible. The total number of Muslim fundamentalists compared to those that aren't is astronomically small.
That cannot possibly be true. If it were, there would be no difficulty for muslim countries to control them.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
The number of poor compared to filthy rich princes and oil sheiks is astronomically high.
No more than it is in dozens of other societies which do not produce such horrific terrorism.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Poverty, combined with no education, hunger, and mental instability caused by years of oppression and depression can cause people to do crazy things.
Especially if their society raises them to be insane in the first place.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
What the f*** is wrong with sharing and working to better all of mankind?
Because some centralized authority has to be given the power to define and enforce what 'better' means.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Hey Stan, I just wanted to apologize for being rude to you in the Darwinism thread. Inasmuch as I disagree with you on certain issues, you didn't deserve my insults and I'm terribly sorry for that. I should have kept my composure and I feel rather bad that I didn't. I don't normally resort to that kind of behaviour.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
That cannot possibly be true. If it were, there would be no difficulty for muslim countries to control them
Which is, of course, why we aren't worried about Muslim extremists entering the U.S. and doing us damage. There are so few of them and so many of us that we would control them seconds after they showed up. Only in countries where they are encouraged to walk down the street wearing signs that say, "I am a terrorist," while firing their rifles in the air and drooling spittle out of their mouths, could a terrorist possibly not be controlled. Any efforts at concealment by terrorists are always unsuccesful because of Uncle Stan's terrost-finder - available to all non-Marxist governments for ten cents and two wheaties boxtops.
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Save it Jon, he's beyond our help now, scorn and wit are useless on his thick rhino hide...
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Christian Graus wrote:
Well, withdrawing us support for Israel until they stop oppressing their neighbours would be a place to start. But, I was not suggesting that it's your fault personally, or that there's much you can hope to do.
I might agree with that, but only after the Palistinians agreed to and carried through on a promise of no terrorism against Israel for a period of at least 10 years. If they can prove they have the ability to control their terrorists, which would remove Israel's need to oppress anyone, than you might have an argument.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
'We've stood by and watched you get pushed down for a long time, put up with it for another 10 years, and we'll stop' ? Wow.
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Coming from a region thats blamed continuously for terrorism, I know exactly how you feel. Its terrible when a few aberrants tar the rest. One thing I'll tell you, there are two main causes of terrorism. Injustice and poverty. These two have people running, looking for spiritual advice. Sadly, instead of promoting tolerance and harmony like every religion does, these so called religious leaders start the process of brain washing and lure many a young and susceptible person into their ranks. Of course, these are not the only causes but in this part of the world (developing) its the primal pair. State sanctioned terrorism has a political agenda behind it, if only to undermine the power and stability of neighbors and enemies even in peace time. Some do it as a show of strength. Ultimately, its hateful. If you find an answer, tell me, I'd love to help put it into effect here locally and globally.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I know exactly how you feel. Its terrible when a few aberrants tar the rest.
Talk about being an Indian programmer. :)
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MrPlankton wrote:
Terrorism is a euphemism
To be a little more precise: Terrorism means activities against persons, organizations or property of any nature committed by an individual or individuals acting on behalf of any foreign person or foreign interest (i.e. PETA is not a terrorist organization; but Greenpeace may be): 1. that involve the following or preparation for the following: a. use or threat of force or violence; or b. commission or threat of a dangerous act; or c. commission or threat of an act that interferes with or disrupts an electronic communication, information, or mechanical system; and 2. when at least one of the following applies: a. the effect is to intimidate or coerce a government or the civilian population or any segment thereof, or to disrupt any segment of the economy; or b. it appears that the intent is to intimidate or coerce a government, or further political, ideological, religious, social or economic objectives or to express (or express opposition to) a philosophy or ideology, if 3. The foreign interests are not in a declared state of war with the target government or civilian population. (i.e. the French Resistance and the Viet Cong were not terrorists, even though their methods were remarkably similar to that of terrorists.)
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I know exactly how you feel. Its terrible when a few aberrants tar the rest.
Talk about being an Indian programmer. :)
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Talk about having a mixed heritage. My Arab side of the family don't think of me as a full Arab and my Canadian side of the family don't think of me as a full Canadian (bear in mind my first name is Steve-Mustafa and not Mustafa alone, but it becomes tiresome explaining that all the time).
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Talk about having a mixed heritage. My Arab side of the family don't think of me as a full Arab and my Canadian side of the family don't think of me as a full Canadian (bear in mind my first name is Steve-Mustafa and not Mustafa alone, but it becomes tiresome explaining that all the time).
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Talk about having a mixed heritage. My Arab side of the family don't think of me as a full Arab and my Canadian side of the family don't think of me as a full Canadian
Wow! We're on the same boat. My father and mother are from two different states in India and they ran their business on a different state and now are living in another one. I've been traveling all over the country (attended school, lived, worked in pretty much all the metros). I speak 4 Indian languages, and can understand 8. When someone asks me "Hi, where are you from?" or "You are a native of which state?" I'll just be tired explaining. Now all I need to do is to marry a girl from a completely different state who speaks a language that is not spoken in my family. Then my son will be even more troubled with the "Where are you from?" question. :laugh: But if you see, the world needs more babies of that kind. That is a way to abolish fights based on color, race, language, origin, etc., We'll spread the word.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Talk about having a mixed heritage. My Arab side of the family don't think of me as a full Arab and my Canadian side of the family don't think of me as a full Canadian
Wow! We're on the same boat. My father and mother are from two different states in India and they ran their business on a different state and now are living in another one. I've been traveling all over the country (attended school, lived, worked in pretty much all the metros). I speak 4 Indian languages, and can understand 8. When someone asks me "Hi, where are you from?" or "You are a native of which state?" I'll just be tired explaining. Now all I need to do is to marry a girl from a completely different state who speaks a language that is not spoken in my family. Then my son will be even more troubled with the "Where are you from?" question. :laugh: But if you see, the world needs more babies of that kind. That is a way to abolish fights based on color, race, language, origin, etc., We'll spread the word.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
But if you see, the world needs more babies of that kind. That is a way to abolish fights based on color, racism, language, origin, etc., We'll spread the word.
I wish. People, in general try to focus on the differences that separate us instead of what should be bringing us together.
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Excellently put
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Stan Shannon wrote:
That cannot possibly be true. If it were, there would be no difficulty for muslim countries to control them
Which is, of course, why we aren't worried about Muslim extremists entering the U.S. and doing us damage. There are so few of them and so many of us that we would control them seconds after they showed up. Only in countries where they are encouraged to walk down the street wearing signs that say, "I am a terrorist," while firing their rifles in the air and drooling spittle out of their mouths, could a terrorist possibly not be controlled. Any efforts at concealment by terrorists are always unsuccesful because of Uncle Stan's terrost-finder - available to all non-Marxist governments for ten cents and two wheaties boxtops.
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Jon, the reason there are not KKK guys blowing black churches is not because of some kind of government policing program, it is because we as a people finally refused to tolerate it, the underlieing social attitudes from which it grew dried up. If there is active terrorism in a society the fault does not lie primarily with an ineffective government, the fault lies with the people of that society itself. If a billion muslims really wanted the terrorism to end - it would end.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Save it Jon, he's beyond our help now, scorn and wit are useless on his thick rhino hide...
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Save it Jon, he's beyond our help now, scorn and wit are useless on his thick rhino hide...
Stan's always struck me as more of a hippo than a rhino. Most of his nuttiness stays submerged most of the time.
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Yup fairly good definition there, would you say the USA has been responsible for terrorist actions?
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I didn't expect to see my name here
You're famous, far and wide. :-D
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Specifically, in that post.
Cheers, Vıkram.
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Yes, but in Israel, most Palestinians are destitute and they git kicked when their down. A farmer working a relatively small plot of land doesn't have money that would go very far in a modern economy. Israel is an extremely expensive place to live in by their standards, now imagine when the IDF comes along and takes their land or destroys his farm with a bulldozer? Why? This is the injustice part that I mentioned in my earlier post, its not just poverty. But the whole Israel/Palestine issue is twisted beyond anything after 60 years of hate and grudges, atrocities have been committed by both sides and nothing sanctions that. But sadly, its being justified by both sides through anger and perceived righteousness.
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Sorry, my point here was that there is more to terrorism than being poor and having injustice waged against you. There is the requirement that you have enough knowledge to understand that there can be something more than what is now, and a belief that what you do can impact the situation. In this case I only brought up the Israel because it has better available data on the terrorists than other examples.
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Sorry, my point here was that there is more to terrorism than being poor and having injustice waged against you. There is the requirement that you have enough knowledge to understand that there can be something more than what is now, and a belief that what you do can impact the situation. In this case I only brought up the Israel because it has better available data on the terrorists than other examples.
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RichardM1 wrote:
my point here was that there is more to terrorism than being poor and having injustice waged against you.
Certainly, its an extremely complicated issue, I agree with you 100% on that point. It was like I was telling Stan, they're not the only points, but they are major players.
RichardM1 wrote:
There is the requirement that you have enough knowledge to understand that there can be something more than what is now, and a belief that what you do can impact the situation.
This is exactly what terrorists think. They believe that by what they're doing, they're changing things to the better, their better which could be cowing the other party through terror.
RichardM1 wrote:
In this case I only brought up the Israel because it has better available data on the terrorists than other examples.
Yes, but that case is fraught with twists and turns. Terrorism could be interpreted both ways, Hamas & other factions vs Israel and easily the other way around.
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RichardM1 wrote:
Jordanians (you know, the country most of Palestine belonged to before Israel took it over)
Where the hell did you get that idea from? Yes, the so called camps you talk about which are mentioned in the news are actually sprawling "cities" and not something rigged up in tents. You cannot compare this injustice with whats being meted out by the Israeli governemt/army to the Palestinians, particularly in the Gaza strip and the West Bank. How is destroying farmland, or bringing down a house atop the resident's roofs justice? How is being incarcerated for an indefinite period of time for no stated reason? How's having the shit being beaten out of you nearly every day for no obvious reason while in jail? How is fighting a tank with stones a crime punishable by death? Explain these to me: Clickety[^] and Clickety 2[^] and Clickety 3[^] Explain the hatred that existed during the time of the Haganah, when atrocities such as shooting a pregnant woman, making bets on whether the fetus inside is male or female and then ripping her corpse (sometimes, she's kept alive) to see who wins the bet? Explain why many IDF personnel would actively stop an ambulance from reaching a victim so that no medical aid may be provided? Why is the aid ship that was coming to Gaza these past few days turned back? Like I said, there's a lot of hate going on there and there's a ton of injustice from the Israeli side. That's not to say that a fraction of what you're saying is true about the way neighboring countries are dealing with Palestinian refugees, but your claim that most of Palestine was a part of Jordan before it was taken over, that is just laughable. I'd love to see citations regarding that one.
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Sorry I did not respond earlier, but I have had some long days at work, and I knew this would take a while.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
How is fighting a tank with stones a crime punishable by death?
LOL! Are you kidding me? Have you ever been hit by a rock? 1) Rocks are effing lethal force. 2) When you use lethal force against an armed adversary, expect lethal force to be used back at you. 3) Attacking a tank with anything less than an anti tank weapon is a crime against nature, punishable by Darwin's best award, removal from the gene pool. So you might not like that answer, but yes, it is a crime punishable by death. You may think it is 'uncivilized', but so is getting killed from being hit in the head with a rock. Just because rocks are not as accurate does not make it any less of an attack with a deadly weapon. Palestinian Arabs are lucky that that the modern Western civilization has convinced the Israelis not to treat all rock attacks as lethal force attacks.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
RichardM1 wrote: Jordanians (you know, the country most of Palestine belonged to before Israel took it over) Where the hell did you get that idea from?
My first question to you is, what would it take for you to believe it? I will support what I said, and I will use the UN and Jordan to justify my statements, but you need to ask yourself: "Will these facts matter to me?" From the pre-67 border to now, the vast majority of land taken from Arabs was from Jordan: the West Bank. In 1988, Jordan ceded the West Bank to the PLO. [Jordanian Link] How did they get it? Well, at the time, they didn't have it, Israel did. They took it from Jordan. (Do you need a link?) In 1950 Jordan annexed the West Bank (at least Jordan thought so, Arab League did not). Annexed from who? Well, best I can tell from the UN, Britain. How did the Brits get it? They stole it fair and square (according to the LoN) from the Ottoman Empire after WWI, called it the Palestinian Mandate, planned to plop a Jewish state there from the very beginning. [UN link][
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Sorry I did not respond earlier, but I have had some long days at work, and I knew this would take a while.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
How is fighting a tank with stones a crime punishable by death?
LOL! Are you kidding me? Have you ever been hit by a rock? 1) Rocks are effing lethal force. 2) When you use lethal force against an armed adversary, expect lethal force to be used back at you. 3) Attacking a tank with anything less than an anti tank weapon is a crime against nature, punishable by Darwin's best award, removal from the gene pool. So you might not like that answer, but yes, it is a crime punishable by death. You may think it is 'uncivilized', but so is getting killed from being hit in the head with a rock. Just because rocks are not as accurate does not make it any less of an attack with a deadly weapon. Palestinian Arabs are lucky that that the modern Western civilization has convinced the Israelis not to treat all rock attacks as lethal force attacks.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
RichardM1 wrote: Jordanians (you know, the country most of Palestine belonged to before Israel took it over) Where the hell did you get that idea from?
My first question to you is, what would it take for you to believe it? I will support what I said, and I will use the UN and Jordan to justify my statements, but you need to ask yourself: "Will these facts matter to me?" From the pre-67 border to now, the vast majority of land taken from Arabs was from Jordan: the West Bank. In 1988, Jordan ceded the West Bank to the PLO. [Jordanian Link] How did they get it? Well, at the time, they didn't have it, Israel did. They took it from Jordan. (Do you need a link?) In 1950 Jordan annexed the West Bank (at least Jordan thought so, Arab League did not). Annexed from who? Well, best I can tell from the UN, Britain. How did the Brits get it? They stole it fair and square (according to the LoN) from the Ottoman Empire after WWI, called it the Palestinian Mandate, planned to plop a Jewish state there from the very beginning. [UN link][
RichardM1 wrote:
Sorry I did not respond earlier, but I have had some long days at work, and I knew this would take a while.
No worries, I know what that is like.
RichardM1 wrote:
LOL! Are you kidding me? Have you ever been hit by a rock?
Yes I have, my nose was broken by a rock that was hurled at me.
RichardM1 wrote:
- Rocks are effing lethal force. 2) When you use lethal force against an armed adversary, expect lethal force to be used back at you. 3) Attacking a tank with anything less than an anti tank weapon is a crime against nature, punishable by Darwin's best award, removal from the gene pool. So you might not like that answer, but yes, it is a crime punishable by death. You may think it is 'uncivilized', but so is getting killed from being hit in the head with a rock. Just because rocks are not as accurate does not make it any less of an attack with a deadly weapon. Palestinian Arabs are lucky that that the modern Western civilization has convinced the Israelis not to treat all rock attacks as lethal force attacks.
That is the most ludicrous thing I've heard/read all day. I think you don't realize that its retaliation with rocks against and armored Merkava tank. If someone is attacking you with a tank and all you have is a nearby rock or even shoes then I'm pretty damned sure you'll be fighting back with those. Keywords: fighting back. After the numerous massacres and completely unwarranted attacks that were conducted by the so called Israeli "Defense" Force, they do have the right to fight back. I find it amusing that you automatically assume that the youth in the video was "arrested" because he was firing a salvo of rockets against Israel. I also find it funny that you chose to completely ignore my other claims, such as those of terror groups like the Haganah or why a women in labor is considered a terrorist attack warranting her detention at a military check post instead of being allowed to go to a hospital for proper care (this has happened numerous times, not just once or twice). Yes, 1988, Jordan ceded the West Bank back to the Palestinian people. The British Mandate simply carved out territory that was arrested during an Arab revolt to finally rid themselves of Ottoman oppressors(as they were viewed at the time), this Anglo-Arab alliance produced the well known Lawrence of Arabi
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RichardM1 wrote:
Sorry I did not respond earlier, but I have had some long days at work, and I knew this would take a while.
No worries, I know what that is like.
RichardM1 wrote:
LOL! Are you kidding me? Have you ever been hit by a rock?
Yes I have, my nose was broken by a rock that was hurled at me.
RichardM1 wrote:
- Rocks are effing lethal force. 2) When you use lethal force against an armed adversary, expect lethal force to be used back at you. 3) Attacking a tank with anything less than an anti tank weapon is a crime against nature, punishable by Darwin's best award, removal from the gene pool. So you might not like that answer, but yes, it is a crime punishable by death. You may think it is 'uncivilized', but so is getting killed from being hit in the head with a rock. Just because rocks are not as accurate does not make it any less of an attack with a deadly weapon. Palestinian Arabs are lucky that that the modern Western civilization has convinced the Israelis not to treat all rock attacks as lethal force attacks.
That is the most ludicrous thing I've heard/read all day. I think you don't realize that its retaliation with rocks against and armored Merkava tank. If someone is attacking you with a tank and all you have is a nearby rock or even shoes then I'm pretty damned sure you'll be fighting back with those. Keywords: fighting back. After the numerous massacres and completely unwarranted attacks that were conducted by the so called Israeli "Defense" Force, they do have the right to fight back. I find it amusing that you automatically assume that the youth in the video was "arrested" because he was firing a salvo of rockets against Israel. I also find it funny that you chose to completely ignore my other claims, such as those of terror groups like the Haganah or why a women in labor is considered a terrorist attack warranting her detention at a military check post instead of being allowed to go to a hospital for proper care (this has happened numerous times, not just once or twice). Yes, 1988, Jordan ceded the West Bank back to the Palestinian people. The British Mandate simply carved out territory that was arrested during an Arab revolt to finally rid themselves of Ottoman oppressors(as they were viewed at the time), this Anglo-Arab alliance produced the well known Lawrence of Arabi
You are reading my words, but I don't think you are hearing what I am saying. :sigh: I don't really care if it was against a merkava, a T-90, an M1A2 or a datsun pickup with a m-60 on the back! If you employ aggressive methods against people with weapons, expect them to use deadly force back at you. Now, if they are already attacking you with a tank, then there should be even more expectation of a violent response from them. If that seems ludicrous to you, then you need to re-think your mental rule book of things to do and things not to do. :doh:
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I find it amusing that you automatically assume that the youth in the video was "arrested" because he was firing a salvo of rockets against Israel. :confused:
Is that what you inferred from it? I did not imply that he had, and referred to him as a 'protester'. I was pointing out that 'atrocity' that you showed is purposefully less lethal than firing free flight, unguided rockets, towards civilian settlements. It was a bad choice of issues to use to prove how horrible the Israelis are, compared to the likes of Hamas.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Jordan ceded the West Bank back to the Palestinian people
Nice try, but to further quote King Hussein;
In November 1974 King Hussein stated:
Read "no longer Jordan" as "It was Jordan's, we annexed it, the Israelis took it, and we don't have a snowball's chance of getting it back, so lets make it the PLO's problem, since we love Arafat so much." :-\ So 'ceded to', not 'ceded back to', is correct.
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