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Piracetam - Limited Shelf Life vs Sharing a Tub ?

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    pg az
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    Google news just pointed me to one of those 'Harvard Medical School sez' etc articles on brain-boosting-drugs: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/07/MNHG14I85V.DTL&tsp=1[^] ( This article does not mention the Piracetam supplement, which is currently non-prescription, but I had earlier run across mention of it. ) Searching youtube on PIRACETAM found one dude's credible verdict that it works, whose payroll could he possibly be on. I love it when Amazon keeps those negative reviews around, they have saved me money again. The featured review "Works Great, when properly stored and taken in recommended doses" points out that "in about a month, it usually develops an odor and its effectiveness becomes less potent." Googling around suggests the shelf-life ought to be 6-12 months, who's right. ANYWAY I wondered if any of you folks who work in large groups might have gone in on a tub of this stuff, sharing it would mitigate the shelf life obviously.

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      Google news just pointed me to one of those 'Harvard Medical School sez' etc articles on brain-boosting-drugs: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/07/MNHG14I85V.DTL&tsp=1[^] ( This article does not mention the Piracetam supplement, which is currently non-prescription, but I had earlier run across mention of it. ) Searching youtube on PIRACETAM found one dude's credible verdict that it works, whose payroll could he possibly be on. I love it when Amazon keeps those negative reviews around, they have saved me money again. The featured review "Works Great, when properly stored and taken in recommended doses" points out that "in about a month, it usually develops an odor and its effectiveness becomes less potent." Googling around suggests the shelf-life ought to be 6-12 months, who's right. ANYWAY I wondered if any of you folks who work in large groups might have gone in on a tub of this stuff, sharing it would mitigate the shelf life obviously.

      pg--az

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      Brain Boosting Drugs? Speed and Wikipedia? :)

      ------------------------------------ Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more. Mark Twain

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        Brain Boosting Drugs? Speed and Wikipedia? :)

        ------------------------------------ Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more. Mark Twain

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        The article focuses mainly on student-testing issues. But we are not students anymore - bad code can for example crash a rocket. Can anyone say they were never encouraged to keep working even when they felt like sleeping ? The article's scariest point was along this line - if you're in the military and you MUST keep going when sleepy, can you be forced to take drugs, or say if you're a pilot maybe you won't be court-martialed but you may not be flying anymore either. I never read any more of Richard Marcinko's books beyond "Rogue Warrior", which was quite good, his fiction is just fiction. One real-life incident from that book comes to mind. One of his Seals was sporting a mustache, and said that Navy regs allowed it. Marcinko's reply was you can keep the mustache but not on his Seal team ( the reason given - because it hinders sealing of Scuba masks ), and the guy was out of there regs or no regs.

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          Google news just pointed me to one of those 'Harvard Medical School sez' etc articles on brain-boosting-drugs: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/07/MNHG14I85V.DTL&tsp=1[^] ( This article does not mention the Piracetam supplement, which is currently non-prescription, but I had earlier run across mention of it. ) Searching youtube on PIRACETAM found one dude's credible verdict that it works, whose payroll could he possibly be on. I love it when Amazon keeps those negative reviews around, they have saved me money again. The featured review "Works Great, when properly stored and taken in recommended doses" points out that "in about a month, it usually develops an odor and its effectiveness becomes less potent." Googling around suggests the shelf-life ought to be 6-12 months, who's right. ANYWAY I wondered if any of you folks who work in large groups might have gone in on a tub of this stuff, sharing it would mitigate the shelf life obviously.

          pg--az

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          When it comes to sharing a tub that all depends who you're sharing it with and how hot the tub is :) Get those ingredients right and you can be sure PIRACETUM will be unnecessary. Your brain will feel just fine.

          "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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            The article focuses mainly on student-testing issues. But we are not students anymore - bad code can for example crash a rocket. Can anyone say they were never encouraged to keep working even when they felt like sleeping ? The article's scariest point was along this line - if you're in the military and you MUST keep going when sleepy, can you be forced to take drugs, or say if you're a pilot maybe you won't be court-martialed but you may not be flying anymore either. I never read any more of Richard Marcinko's books beyond "Rogue Warrior", which was quite good, his fiction is just fiction. One real-life incident from that book comes to mind. One of his Seals was sporting a mustache, and said that Navy regs allowed it. Marcinko's reply was you can keep the mustache but not on his Seal team ( the reason given - because it hinders sealing of Scuba masks ), and the guy was out of there regs or no regs.

            pg--az

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            Marching Dust was almost compulsory when I was in the Army (20 odd years ago), especially on active service. It was strictly speaking illegal and against regs, but a quiet word with the Doctor and some pills came your way. Re Moustache/Beard. In the armey a Moustache is allowed, so long as it is not wider that the mouth, for a similar reason to the navy seals, in this case to allow the NBC suit mask to seal tightly. Beards are not allowed, generally, but I had a medical dispensation, I have psoriasis and had an excused just about everything chit.(Shaving, wearing green hairy shirts, boots, etc - Most of the Officers had given up on me by then, although I was a Very Good Regimental Clerk).

            ------------------------------------ Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more. Mark Twain

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              Marching Dust was almost compulsory when I was in the Army (20 odd years ago), especially on active service. It was strictly speaking illegal and against regs, but a quiet word with the Doctor and some pills came your way. Re Moustache/Beard. In the armey a Moustache is allowed, so long as it is not wider that the mouth, for a similar reason to the navy seals, in this case to allow the NBC suit mask to seal tightly. Beards are not allowed, generally, but I had a medical dispensation, I have psoriasis and had an excused just about everything chit.(Shaving, wearing green hairy shirts, boots, etc - Most of the Officers had given up on me by then, although I was a Very Good Regimental Clerk).

              ------------------------------------ Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more. Mark Twain

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              Good info. The word "synchronicity" comes to mind, that you should have real-life-experience on my speculative remark. Last reply of the evening, I have no drugs and I must sleep !

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                When it comes to sharing a tub that all depends who you're sharing it with and how hot the tub is :) Get those ingredients right and you can be sure PIRACETUM will be unnecessary. Your brain will feel just fine.

                "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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                Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage."

                The curse of freedom being the "Tragedy of the Commons". All this Obama-Healthcare-stuff, I am always thinking of Garrett Hardin's "Global Pothole Problem" essay which is chapter 13 of "Filters Against Folly", which is selling used on Amazon for $0.01. This low price for such an insightful work seems proof that 50% of America is way-below-average, the wrong kind of tipping-point but here we are.

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                  Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                  "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage."

                  The curse of freedom being the "Tragedy of the Commons". All this Obama-Healthcare-stuff, I am always thinking of Garrett Hardin's "Global Pothole Problem" essay which is chapter 13 of "Filters Against Folly", which is selling used on Amazon for $0.01. This low price for such an insightful work seems proof that 50% of America is way-below-average, the wrong kind of tipping-point but here we are.

                  pg--az

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                  Freedom itself is much misunderstood, although the quote in my sig is in no way related to the big O I'm sure he orates his head off about freedom but what exactly is freedom? The best definition I can come up with is a functional one. To be free is to know what is the right thing to do and to be able to do it. Now if you think about that it's a far cry from what a lot of people who use the word mean by it. Personally I'm fed up with all the peddlers of negative freedom, Obama included it would appear by his personell selection. I would like a return to the positive freedom of the kind my definition describes. The 'Global Pothole Problem' rings a bell, I'm sure I read something about that years ago but have entirely forgotten what it was. Maybe I'll look it up :)

                  "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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                    Marching Dust was almost compulsory when I was in the Army (20 odd years ago), especially on active service. It was strictly speaking illegal and against regs, but a quiet word with the Doctor and some pills came your way. Re Moustache/Beard. In the armey a Moustache is allowed, so long as it is not wider that the mouth, for a similar reason to the navy seals, in this case to allow the NBC suit mask to seal tightly. Beards are not allowed, generally, but I had a medical dispensation, I have psoriasis and had an excused just about everything chit.(Shaving, wearing green hairy shirts, boots, etc - Most of the Officers had given up on me by then, although I was a Very Good Regimental Clerk).

                    ------------------------------------ Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more. Mark Twain

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                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                    Beards are not allowed, generally, but I had a medical dispensation, I have psoriasis and had an excused just about everything chit.

                    Army farriers are allowed beards! Not much call for them now, though (Farriers, that is). :)

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                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                      Beards are not allowed, generally, but I had a medical dispensation, I have psoriasis and had an excused just about everything chit.

                      Army farriers are allowed beards! Not much call for them now, though (Farriers, that is). :)

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                      I did not know that! Must be some old traditional thing. Thanks.

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                        Freedom itself is much misunderstood, although the quote in my sig is in no way related to the big O I'm sure he orates his head off about freedom but what exactly is freedom? The best definition I can come up with is a functional one. To be free is to know what is the right thing to do and to be able to do it. Now if you think about that it's a far cry from what a lot of people who use the word mean by it. Personally I'm fed up with all the peddlers of negative freedom, Obama included it would appear by his personell selection. I would like a return to the positive freedom of the kind my definition describes. The 'Global Pothole Problem' rings a bell, I'm sure I read something about that years ago but have entirely forgotten what it was. Maybe I'll look it up :)

                        "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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                        Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                        what exactly is freedom? The best definition I can come up with is a functional one.

                        I agree that operational definitions are the best. I wonder if you meant to be funny with functional, as in declarative-programming-languages. We live in a world of sources-sinks-and-transformations which is nicely pictured in terms of state-transitions. Freedom is multidimensional, since while E=mc2 you can transform lead into gold, the transformation isn't free. The genius Erdos often remarked that mathematicians transform coffee into theorems, and in his later years indeed he favored stronger stimulants than coffee, this is thought to have hastened his demise. SO for example to drive to Denver you'll need Gasoline and Water( lest you die of thirst en-route ). If you run up against either constraint then you're no longer free. On the other hand the optimization concept of "slack constraint" and "active constraint" is concisely useful when thinking about freedom. For example many rich people have such a positive bank balance that with their lifestyle they are for sure going to die before running out of money. So for them money is actually a "slack constraint", but if they are miserly then the THOUGHT of running out of money still constrains their behavior. The "declarative vs operational" definition is so important. Believing that "all men are created equal" is phrased declaratively. Saying "If some men are NOT equal, then it's our duty to make them so", now THAT's operational, hence NCLB, bla... "Equality" is an innocuous declarative word. Phrased operationally it becomes EQUALIZATION, which you may now properly be scared of. Indeed Googling (( Equalization Canada )) reveals that it's a word they tend to use when describing THEIR principles too.

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