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So just why is GW of such interest to Socialist International?

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    Climate Change was at the top of the agenda when the XXIII Congress of the Socialist Inter- national met in Athens, Greece, from 30 June - 2 July 2008 Members of the Commission for a Sustainable World Society gathering in Stockholm on 5-6 September, hosted by the Swedish Social Democratic Party, SAP, warned that the worldwide economic downturn could not be allowed to slow down the pace of commitments to climate change and urged the international community to produce solid results leading to an agreement at the forthcoming United Nations Conference of the Parties to the Climate Convention (COP-14) to be held in Poznan in December this year. (Statement) [^] Isnt GW a scientific issue? I mean, either CO2 causes 'x' amount of warmning, or not and whether 'y' amount of warming will cause 'z' amount of rainfall somewhere in the world. But of course, it never was about the environment. As stated by Chirac and co: "I was in the room in The Hague in November 2000 when then-French President Jacques Chirac hailed the Kyoto Protocol, or "global warming" treaty, as "the first component of an authentic global governance." Then-European Union Environment Commissioner Margot Wallstrom seconded the sentiment when she told London's Independent that Kyoto was "not about whether scientists agree" but instead "about leveling the playing field for big businesses worldwide." " Chris Horner. So you see there is no point trying to debate the science with Carson, Fisticufs, or Karl. They wont debate. They dont want to debate. As soon as you get close to making a valid point they start name calling. Their sole interest is in seeing global socialism.

    Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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    After the Fall of the USSR, the world had nothing to fear, and without fear, governments cannot rule. So fear is manufactured, GW and AQ. People are being manipulated because they are too stupid to see they are being herded into the gas chambers again. Tell big lies and tell them often! How bad is Belgium doing? It hasn't had a government for ages, and it is ticking along nicely with the civil service just doing it's job. We should all throw off the shackles of corrupt governance, being lied too, having people killed on the whim of Presidents and Prime Ministers, in illegal wars based on created non evidence.

    ------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

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      Climate Change was at the top of the agenda when the XXIII Congress of the Socialist Inter- national met in Athens, Greece, from 30 June - 2 July 2008 Members of the Commission for a Sustainable World Society gathering in Stockholm on 5-6 September, hosted by the Swedish Social Democratic Party, SAP, warned that the worldwide economic downturn could not be allowed to slow down the pace of commitments to climate change and urged the international community to produce solid results leading to an agreement at the forthcoming United Nations Conference of the Parties to the Climate Convention (COP-14) to be held in Poznan in December this year. (Statement) [^] Isnt GW a scientific issue? I mean, either CO2 causes 'x' amount of warmning, or not and whether 'y' amount of warming will cause 'z' amount of rainfall somewhere in the world. But of course, it never was about the environment. As stated by Chirac and co: "I was in the room in The Hague in November 2000 when then-French President Jacques Chirac hailed the Kyoto Protocol, or "global warming" treaty, as "the first component of an authentic global governance." Then-European Union Environment Commissioner Margot Wallstrom seconded the sentiment when she told London's Independent that Kyoto was "not about whether scientists agree" but instead "about leveling the playing field for big businesses worldwide." " Chris Horner. So you see there is no point trying to debate the science with Carson, Fisticufs, or Karl. They wont debate. They dont want to debate. As soon as you get close to making a valid point they start name calling. Their sole interest is in seeing global socialism.

      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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      fat_boy wrote:

      Isnt GW a scientific issue?

      It may be a scientific issue, but the decisions to deal with it are political.

      fat_boy wrote:

      As stated by Chirac and co

      Good example of socialism! :laugh::laugh::laugh: The problem is global to our planet: the solutions have to be global too. If only some countries take steps to reduce their carbone footprints, it would be meaningless if at the same time others were producing more and more CO2.

      fat_boy wrote:

      So you see there is no point trying to debate the science with Carson, Fisticufs, or Karl. They wont debate. They dont want to debate. As soon as you get close to making a valid point they start name calling.

      Reading this, I had to check my calendar to be sure we were not on April, 1st

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      Their sole interest is in seeing global socialism

      Yeah, to take over the World, a knife between the teethes.

      Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall? Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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        After the Fall of the USSR, the world had nothing to fear, and without fear, governments cannot rule. So fear is manufactured, GW and AQ. People are being manipulated because they are too stupid to see they are being herded into the gas chambers again. Tell big lies and tell them often! How bad is Belgium doing? It hasn't had a government for ages, and it is ticking along nicely with the civil service just doing it's job. We should all throw off the shackles of corrupt governance, being lied too, having people killed on the whim of Presidents and Prime Ministers, in illegal wars based on created non evidence.

        ------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

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        Dalek Dave wrote:

        After the Fall of the USSR, the world had nothing to fear, and without fear, governments cannot rule

        BS. Fear is indeed a way to manipulate people and get elected, but the best way to rule is to divide, not to create fear.

        Dalek Dave wrote:

        People are being manipulated because they are too stupid to see they are being herded into the gas chambers again.

        Bloody Illuminati!

        Dalek Dave wrote:

        How bad is Belgium doing? It hasn't had a government for ages, and it is ticking along nicely with the civil service just doing it's job.

        It's just on the verge of exploding and disappearing.

        How do you own disorder? Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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          After the Fall of the USSR, the world had nothing to fear, and without fear, governments cannot rule. So fear is manufactured, GW and AQ. People are being manipulated because they are too stupid to see they are being herded into the gas chambers again. Tell big lies and tell them often! How bad is Belgium doing? It hasn't had a government for ages, and it is ticking along nicely with the civil service just doing it's job. We should all throw off the shackles of corrupt governance, being lied too, having people killed on the whim of Presidents and Prime Ministers, in illegal wars based on created non evidence.

          ------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

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          Dalek Dave wrote:

          How bad is Belgium doing? It hasn't had a government for ages, and it is ticking along nicely with the civil service just doing it's job

          Only partially true I'm afraid, we do have a government but it's main job is to make a government (and to handle the important stuff off the moment, like the crisis going on now). But it's true that we haven't had a 'real' government in way too long so I guess we don't really need them that much :) At this point I think a lot off people here don't really care anymore about our government they'v been making such a mess off things that they lost all credibility.

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            Dalek Dave wrote:

            After the Fall of the USSR, the world had nothing to fear, and without fear, governments cannot rule

            BS. Fear is indeed a way to manipulate people and get elected, but the best way to rule is to divide, not to create fear.

            Dalek Dave wrote:

            People are being manipulated because they are too stupid to see they are being herded into the gas chambers again.

            Bloody Illuminati!

            Dalek Dave wrote:

            How bad is Belgium doing? It hasn't had a government for ages, and it is ticking along nicely with the civil service just doing it's job.

            It's just on the verge of exploding and disappearing.

            How do you own disorder? Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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            Only because the Rich Belgians hate the Poor French Belgians, it has nothing to do with government.

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              Dalek Dave wrote:

              After the Fall of the USSR, the world had nothing to fear, and without fear, governments cannot rule

              BS. Fear is indeed a way to manipulate people and get elected, but the best way to rule is to divide, not to create fear.

              Dalek Dave wrote:

              People are being manipulated because they are too stupid to see they are being herded into the gas chambers again.

              Bloody Illuminati!

              Dalek Dave wrote:

              How bad is Belgium doing? It hasn't had a government for ages, and it is ticking along nicely with the civil service just doing it's job.

              It's just on the verge of exploding and disappearing.

              How do you own disorder? Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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              Ka?l wrote:

              It's just on the verge of exploding and disappearing.

              Hardly Things around here will just keep working the way they have for all this time. It's only the politicians that are arguing, and like everywhere else the'll keep arguing like little children not willing to compromise.

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                Climate Change was at the top of the agenda when the XXIII Congress of the Socialist Inter- national met in Athens, Greece, from 30 June - 2 July 2008 Members of the Commission for a Sustainable World Society gathering in Stockholm on 5-6 September, hosted by the Swedish Social Democratic Party, SAP, warned that the worldwide economic downturn could not be allowed to slow down the pace of commitments to climate change and urged the international community to produce solid results leading to an agreement at the forthcoming United Nations Conference of the Parties to the Climate Convention (COP-14) to be held in Poznan in December this year. (Statement) [^] Isnt GW a scientific issue? I mean, either CO2 causes 'x' amount of warmning, or not and whether 'y' amount of warming will cause 'z' amount of rainfall somewhere in the world. But of course, it never was about the environment. As stated by Chirac and co: "I was in the room in The Hague in November 2000 when then-French President Jacques Chirac hailed the Kyoto Protocol, or "global warming" treaty, as "the first component of an authentic global governance." Then-European Union Environment Commissioner Margot Wallstrom seconded the sentiment when she told London's Independent that Kyoto was "not about whether scientists agree" but instead "about leveling the playing field for big businesses worldwide." " Chris Horner. So you see there is no point trying to debate the science with Carson, Fisticufs, or Karl. They wont debate. They dont want to debate. As soon as you get close to making a valid point they start name calling. Their sole interest is in seeing global socialism.

                Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                fat_boy wrote:

                So you see there is no point trying to debate the science with Carson, Fisticufs, or Karl. They wont debate. They dont want to debate. As soon as you get close to making a valid point they start name calling.

                That is an untested hypothesis since you have never got close to making a valid point.

                John Carson

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                  Only because the Rich Belgians hate the Poor French Belgians, it has nothing to do with government.

                  ------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

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                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                  Only because the Rich Belgians hate the Poor French Belgians

                  If I'm not a poor french belgian does that make me a rich belgian? If so I'd really have to complain about my back account :)

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                    Ka?l wrote:

                    It's just on the verge of exploding and disappearing.

                    Hardly Things around here will just keep working the way they have for all this time. It's only the politicians that are arguing, and like everywhere else the'll keep arguing like little children not willing to compromise.

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                    Tom Deketelaere wrote:

                    Hardly

                    Good to know! We don't need to see more countries breaking up in Europe.

                    Tom Deketelaere wrote:

                    It's only the politicians that are arguing, and like everywhere else the'll keep arguing like little children not willing to compromise.

                    If it's only a matter of politicians, why are parties like the Vlaams Blok/Vlaams Belang stronger and stronger at each election?

                    Change of fashion is the tax levied by the industry of the poor on the vanity of the rich Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                    • D Dalek Dave

                      After the Fall of the USSR, the world had nothing to fear, and without fear, governments cannot rule. So fear is manufactured, GW and AQ. People are being manipulated because they are too stupid to see they are being herded into the gas chambers again. Tell big lies and tell them often! How bad is Belgium doing? It hasn't had a government for ages, and it is ticking along nicely with the civil service just doing it's job. We should all throw off the shackles of corrupt governance, being lied too, having people killed on the whim of Presidents and Prime Ministers, in illegal wars based on created non evidence.

                      ------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

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                      Anarchy!

                      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                        Ka?l wrote:

                        It's just on the verge of exploding and disappearing.

                        Hardly Things around here will just keep working the way they have for all this time. It's only the politicians that are arguing, and like everywhere else the'll keep arguing like little children not willing to compromise.

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                        And yet most Flems I have spoken to about this see a split as inevitable.

                        Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                          fat_boy wrote:

                          So you see there is no point trying to debate the science with Carson, Fisticufs, or Karl. They wont debate. They dont want to debate. As soon as you get close to making a valid point they start name calling.

                          That is an untested hypothesis since you have never got close to making a valid point.

                          John Carson

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                          So what is causing the current cooling trend?

                          Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                            Tom Deketelaere wrote:

                            Hardly

                            Good to know! We don't need to see more countries breaking up in Europe.

                            Tom Deketelaere wrote:

                            It's only the politicians that are arguing, and like everywhere else the'll keep arguing like little children not willing to compromise.

                            If it's only a matter of politicians, why are parties like the Vlaams Blok/Vlaams Belang stronger and stronger at each election?

                            Change of fashion is the tax levied by the industry of the poor on the vanity of the rich Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                            Ka?l wrote:

                            If it's only a matter of politicians, why are parties like the Vlaams Blok/Vlaams Belang stronger and stronger at each election?

                            That has nothing to do with the current problems in the government. Those party's get stronger because of the very nature of our country. Everyone is welcome and everyone will get money out off the government(you just need to figure out how). This leads to thousands off emigrants coming here and 'leeching' off the working people. So a lot off those people start to vote for these party's. Not realizing that solving this problem (bye kicking those emigrants out) is only a very little part off what they have in mind. A few of the other points of the party you named are: -Woman at home, cooking, cleaning (so not working) -All kids (under 16 or 18) indoors before dark -... But those points are discussed openly so not many people know about them.

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                              And yet most Flems I have spoken to about this see a split as inevitable.

                              Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                              I see it as a possibility not as inevitable. And if it does happen Belgium will still exist, most like the French part will join France and the Flemish part will operate independently (become Belgium). But we are far away from that, and I really don't think it will happen.

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                                So what is causing the current cooling trend?

                                Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                Today's the weather is hotter than yesterday. Following your logic, we are now back to a warming!

                                Jouir et faire jouir sans faire de mal ni à toi ni à personne, voilà je crois le fondement de toute morale Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                                  Ka?l wrote:

                                  If it's only a matter of politicians, why are parties like the Vlaams Blok/Vlaams Belang stronger and stronger at each election?

                                  That has nothing to do with the current problems in the government. Those party's get stronger because of the very nature of our country. Everyone is welcome and everyone will get money out off the government(you just need to figure out how). This leads to thousands off emigrants coming here and 'leeching' off the working people. So a lot off those people start to vote for these party's. Not realizing that solving this problem (bye kicking those emigrants out) is only a very little part off what they have in mind. A few of the other points of the party you named are: -Woman at home, cooking, cleaning (so not working) -All kids (under 16 or 18) indoors before dark -... But those points are discussed openly so not many people know about them.

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                                  Tom Deketelaere wrote:

                                  This leads to thousands off emigrants coming here and 'leeching' off the working people.

                                  Ah, the good old scapegoat of the Far Right, the bad immigrant that comes to steal the bread and rape the daughters of the locals. Same here, it worked/works for long.

                                  Change of fashion is the tax levied by the industry of the poor on the vanity of the rich Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                                    Tom Deketelaere wrote:

                                    This leads to thousands off emigrants coming here and 'leeching' off the working people.

                                    Ah, the good old scapegoat of the Far Right, the bad immigrant that comes to steal the bread and rape the daughters of the locals. Same here, it worked/works for long.

                                    Change of fashion is the tax levied by the industry of the poor on the vanity of the rich Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                                    Sadly it's true (well not the part of the raping). They come here, have no job (and no interest in getting one, hell why would you), so nothing but time to figure out how to abuse the system. I have one of these living across the street. He doesn't work but has his own house (rent I think), 2 cars (nice one's) and disturbs the neighborhood (is playing music loudly till the late hours, works on his car till the late hours,...) Does this mean I vote for the 'Far Right' no, but I don't have to like it. I have a lot of friends who are emigrants and do work and do adjust to the culture here. But like with everything those 'few' (there are more and more lately) bad apples ruin it for the rest.

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                                      Today's the weather is hotter than yesterday. Following your logic, we are now back to a warming!

                                      Jouir et faire jouir sans faire de mal ni à toi ni à personne, voilà je crois le fondement de toute morale Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                                      Ka?l wrote:

                                      Today's the weather is hotter than yesterday. Following your logic, we are now back to a warming!

                                      Do you mean globally or locally? If you mean locally, and limit yourself to the northern hemisphere then since we have passed the shortest day it will be warming. However, we are still on a cooling trend this interglacial. Check out the vostock ice core data.

                                      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                        fat_boy wrote:

                                        So you see there is no point trying to debate the science with Carson, Fisticufs, or Karl. They wont debate. They dont want to debate. As soon as you get close to making a valid point they start name calling.

                                        That is an untested hypothesis since you have never got close to making a valid point.

                                        John Carson

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                                        Cant answer can you. You havent got a clue have you. You dont know jack shit about this do you. You just regurgitate stuff you read on Hansens lackies website.

                                        Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                          Today's the weather is hotter than yesterday. Following your logic, we are now back to a warming!

                                          Jouir et faire jouir sans faire de mal ni à toi ni à personne, voilà je crois le fondement de toute morale Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                                          Since when did two measurements make a trend?

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