IE. The horror
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I feel your pain. We came up with a postback free multi layered modal popup interface using the Ajax Control Toolkit. Worked great in Firefox. IE utterly utterly ballsed it up with elements incorrectly Z ordered, mouse clicks falling through to the wrong elements. Moral. Build your concept layout in Firefox, but be sure to test it properly in IE before committing any time to it. And still the end users say "why would I want to use anything other than IE". How about using a browser that doesn't need to spend 3 seconds "connecting" to about:blank. WTF is there to connect to?
Simon Capewell wrote:
about:blank. WTF is there to connect to?
http://microsoft.com/analytics/user.aspx?visited=about%3Ablank&ip=192.168.1.1
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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After what feels like a complete waste of a day I have graduated to a new level of being offended at IE's rendering engine. I will defend it no more. It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude.
cheers, Chris Maunder
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Let me just tell you. I program standard corporate applications for internal use on the company's intranet. I have IE7 and FF installed on my machine. My users have IE6. They can't upgrade because JDE (our expensive accounting app) has not been updated and breaks in IE7. Anyway, I have wasted countless hours "fixing" my applications to work correctly in IE6. IE7 is bearable but IE6 is just awful.
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Simon Capewell wrote:
about:blank. WTF is there to connect to?
http://microsoft.com/analytics/user.aspx?visited=about%3Ablank&ip=192.168.1.1
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
If they're collecting data like that, it'd be no wonder their online division is losing money!
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After what feels like a complete waste of a day I have graduated to a new level of being offended at IE's rendering engine. I will defend it no more. It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude
Probably explains why I like it!
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After what feels like a complete waste of a day I have graduated to a new level of being offended at IE's rendering engine. I will defend it no more. It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
The only place I use IE is at work. I have IE7 because IE6 horribly broke down on my machine and the IT guys decided to grant me an exception and install IE7. Everybody else (all thousands of them) use IE6. All other browsers are banned.
Cheers, Vıkram.
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The only place I use IE is at work. I have IE7 because IE6 horribly broke down on my machine and the IT guys decided to grant me an exception and install IE7. Everybody else (all thousands of them) use IE6. All other browsers are banned.
Cheers, Vıkram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
All other browsers are banned.
Any specific reason for doing that? I can understand an organization don't use it if they are paid, but almost all browsers are free to download and use then why they are banned. Is MS paying your company to banned all other browsers? :-)
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
All other browsers are banned.
Any specific reason for doing that? I can understand an organization don't use it if they are paid, but almost all browsers are free to download and use then why they are banned. Is MS paying your company to banned all other browsers? :-)
A lot of companies "ban" software. It usually has more to do with the approved list and not allowing any user to install software that is not approved because most users would still expect support.
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After what feels like a complete waste of a day I have graduated to a new level of being offended at IE's rendering engine. I will defend it no more. It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
All other browsers are banned.
Any specific reason for doing that? I can understand an organization don't use it if they are paid, but almost all browsers are free to download and use then why they are banned. Is MS paying your company to banned all other browsers? :-)
Because the last thing any IT department wants is users installing their own software, it's just asking for problems. The percentage of users who would screw up or would demand support on their downloaded app far outweighs the ones who would do it "right". Has anyone else here played with IE8? I am contracting for a small company who's website/intranet has grown over the years. Needless to say not much effort was made to go back and clean up old markup that was no longer complaint. Half the site was rendered incorrectly when I tested in IE8. It ran fine in compatbility mode but how many users will figure that out. There will be a lot of scrambling to clean up old code once that beast releases.
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Duh! Isn't "moral turptitude" what the Internet's built on? :)
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After what feels like a complete waste of a day I have graduated to a new level of being offended at IE's rendering engine. I will defend it no more. It's fit only for street urchins, persons of low repute and those engaged in moral turptitude.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Do I like IE 6? Well, for the most part, it works for what I use it for at work. Why haven't we upgraded to IE 7? Becuase, before doing so, we have to ensure all applications on the Intranet will work without issue, including third party applications. This is very time consuming and difficult to complete when you have a mix of operating systems (NT, 2000, XP, Server 2000, Server 2003, Terminal Server, etc.) When XP was first introduced, a select portion of the company was all over it, using it as though it were manna from Heaven... until, of course, their applications didn't work anymore. Then, we were suddenly forced to upgrade and repair applications that had been working just fine. So, if its not broke, don't fix it. If IE6 allows you to perform necessary business functions, then, use it. If it doesn't, then address it. Tim
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Do I like IE 6? Well, for the most part, it works for what I use it for at work. Why haven't we upgraded to IE 7? Becuase, before doing so, we have to ensure all applications on the Intranet will work without issue, including third party applications. This is very time consuming and difficult to complete when you have a mix of operating systems (NT, 2000, XP, Server 2000, Server 2003, Terminal Server, etc.) When XP was first introduced, a select portion of the company was all over it, using it as though it were manna from Heaven... until, of course, their applications didn't work anymore. Then, we were suddenly forced to upgrade and repair applications that had been working just fine. So, if its not broke, don't fix it. If IE6 allows you to perform necessary business functions, then, use it. If it doesn't, then address it. Tim
Tim Carmichael wrote:
Becuase, before doing so, we have to ensure all applications on the Intranet will work without issue, including third party applications. This is very time consuming and difficult to complete when you have a mix of operating systems (NT, 2000, XP, Server 2000, Server 2003, Terminal Server, etc.)
So you should be ready to move to IE7 by the time IE8 is out of beta....no, more likely by the time IE9 is out. :laugh:
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That is high for a tech website. Wonder if it is from corporate machines not allowed to upgrade or IE users who don't like the IE7 UI.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
Paul Watson wrote:
corporate machines not allowed to upgrade
Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner here. :)
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Paul Watson wrote:
corporate machines not allowed to upgrade
Ding. Ding. Ding. We have a winner here. :)
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Yep. My web app looks better on IE7 than IE6, but I can't roll out IE7 yet.
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Curious. Every time I complained about IE here, I got seriously voted down. So far, you have only been up-voted. Seems like IE's being good or not also depends on who says it. :) Anyway, I am forced to work with IE6 and the rendering engine is indeed one solid piece of crap.
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How dominant is IE usage on CP? And how many CP users still use IE6? IE7 is a lot better (though still a bit "quirky", though sadly not in the "cute goth chick" quirky way.)
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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That is high for a tech website. Wonder if it is from corporate machines not allowed to upgrade or IE users who don't like the IE7 UI.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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And you are a developer? Do they restrict you from installing other apps. too?
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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I feel your pain. We came up with a postback free multi layered modal popup interface using the Ajax Control Toolkit. Worked great in Firefox. IE utterly utterly ballsed it up with elements incorrectly Z ordered, mouse clicks falling through to the wrong elements. Moral. Build your concept layout in Firefox, but be sure to test it properly in IE before committing any time to it. And still the end users say "why would I want to use anything other than IE". How about using a browser that doesn't need to spend 3 seconds "connecting" to about:blank. WTF is there to connect to?
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Do I like IE 6? Well, for the most part, it works for what I use it for at work. Why haven't we upgraded to IE 7? Becuase, before doing so, we have to ensure all applications on the Intranet will work without issue, including third party applications. This is very time consuming and difficult to complete when you have a mix of operating systems (NT, 2000, XP, Server 2000, Server 2003, Terminal Server, etc.) When XP was first introduced, a select portion of the company was all over it, using it as though it were manna from Heaven... until, of course, their applications didn't work anymore. Then, we were suddenly forced to upgrade and repair applications that had been working just fine. So, if its not broke, don't fix it. If IE6 allows you to perform necessary business functions, then, use it. If it doesn't, then address it. Tim
Tim Carmichael wrote:
Then, we were suddenly forced to upgrade and repair applications that had been working just fine.
This is why I have always been a proponent of allowing multiple versions of IE to run side my side, or at least allow you to designate a rendering engine on a per URL basis. In reality a browser should be nothing more than a rendering engine that snaps into a common frame much like the MMC. I guess I just think about components far too much.