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  • L Lost User

    Oakman wrote:

    Might have been being told to f*** off, that made me think we weren't going to have a conversation just about raising children.

    No, no - you were quite rude in the post before he rightly told you to fuck off. Instead of engaging in largely irrelevant assault based on how many children this chap may or may not have, you could have simply explained the folly of his ways. You did not. This makes you a terrible person indeed.

    Oakman wrote:

    Hate to break it to you, but there isn't any easy answer. Parents can say, "If it were my kids, I'd. . .", but only youngsters and fools think that there's a one size fits all approach to child-rearing.

    Of course there isn't, but if you know his approach was clearly wrong (even though he at no point presented it as a THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO THINGS, merely a suggestion), maybe you could have explained why instead of telling him he had no children, a fact he likely already knew. For shame! For example, you could have explained any number of interesting points: 1) we don't really know what reported is what happened, based on the newspaper article alone (which is still heavily slanted in favor of the mother), the mother's story is a little suspicious 2) that aside good luck trying to talk common sense to a girl with psychological problems 3) good luck trying to talk common sense to any kid anywhere, ever 4) or anyone on the internet 5) lollercoaster

    - F

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    Fisticuffs wrote:

    you were quite rude in the post before he rightly told you to f*** off.

    I have often been accused of being rude when I point out that the Emperor has no clothes. I have come to the conclusion that there really is no nice way of telling someone that they don't have the slightest idea about the subject they are spouting off about.

    Fisticuffs wrote:

    maybe you could have explained why instead of telling him he had no children

    I asked him how many children he had. Certainly from the ignorance he had already demonstrated, I would have guessed that the answer was zip, but I didn't not know it until he refused to reply and retreated into vulgarity. Apparently he (and you from your comment above) consider vulgarity to be acceptable as soon as it becomes obvious that one is not being accepted as the World's Greatest Authority. Enough. You bore me. Have the last word, I am sure it will thrill you. I am done with this thread.

    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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      Fisticuffs wrote:

      you were quite rude in the post before he rightly told you to f*** off.

      I have often been accused of being rude when I point out that the Emperor has no clothes. I have come to the conclusion that there really is no nice way of telling someone that they don't have the slightest idea about the subject they are spouting off about.

      Fisticuffs wrote:

      maybe you could have explained why instead of telling him he had no children

      I asked him how many children he had. Certainly from the ignorance he had already demonstrated, I would have guessed that the answer was zip, but I didn't not know it until he refused to reply and retreated into vulgarity. Apparently he (and you from your comment above) consider vulgarity to be acceptable as soon as it becomes obvious that one is not being accepted as the World's Greatest Authority. Enough. You bore me. Have the last word, I am sure it will thrill you. I am done with this thread.

      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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      that's quite the pretty line you've decided to draw between rudeness and vulgarity, there, mister civility

      - F

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      • O Oakman

        That joke was old in the States in the 1950's. Next thing, you'll be doing Milton berle jokes.

        Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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        Ah, yes, and how it has matured with age...

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        • O Oakman

          Maxxx_ wrote:

          Just because you have procreated, doesn't mean you know diddly squat about raising kids well, just that you know something about raising kids."

          Which would still put me miles beyond you.

          Maxxx_ wrote:

          Incidentally, I'm not sure why your sarcastic attack started in the first place?

          Pretty much the same reasons I'd have if someone who had been programming in VB6 for a year started to talk about how C# should be worked with.

          Maxxx_ wrote:

          I'm genuinely interested - I don't feel I was 'shooting my mouth off'

          Not knowing what you don't know is not a rationale for talking like an expert.

          Maxxx_ wrote:

          As Samuel Butler said “Neither irony or sarcasm is argument.”

          But he was wrong. They are extremely effective tools, even in formal debate.

          Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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          Oakman wrote:

          Which would still put me miles beyond you.

          I don't understand why you say that? I have a child, so I do know something about raising kids.

          Oakman wrote:

          Pretty much the same reasons I'd have if someone who had been programming in VB6 for a year started to talk about how C# should be worked with.

          How about someone who has been programming C# for six years?

          Oakman wrote:

          Not knowing what you don't know is not a rationale for talking like an expert.

          You felt I was talking like an expert? How flattering! I stated an opinion (well, several) - if you actually read what I posted, I said "I couldn't agree more", "I'm not sure ..." and "I think " - Had I stated "It is a fact, universally acknowledged .." then I could, perhaps, understand you response. But to merely leap to the attack by sarcastically insinuating that I was purporting expertise, without any contra-argument is to use sarcasm at its least-effective level.

          Oakman wrote:

          But he was wrong. They are extremely effective tools, even in formal debate.

          Ah - an expert? So it's OK for you to state, as fact, something which is, at best, an opinion? Sure sarcasm and irony are good tools, when used as part of an effective arsenal (to mix a metaphor), but when used as the only tool, its about as effective as using a chisel as a screwdriver. You offer no counter argument, no alternate opinion, in fact, no constructive debate at all, merely sarcasm. This is the level at which children argue and not at which adults discuss and debate.

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          • L Lost User

            Oakman wrote:

            Which would still put me miles beyond you.

            Well then, go ahead - you tell everybody what these parents should have done. I really don't see why you needed to engage in personal attacks. I myself have had several lovely conversations with Maxxxxxxxxxxx____ over tea and crumpets about various aspects of worldly affairs and journal publication without EVER feeling the need to *smash* oops my internet monocle broke

            - F

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            And lovely crumpets they were, m'dear.

            ___________________________________________ .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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            • L Lost User

              Oakman wrote:

              Might have been being told to f*** off, that made me think we weren't going to have a conversation just about raising children.

              No, no - you were quite rude in the post before he rightly told you to fuck off. Instead of engaging in largely irrelevant assault based on how many children this chap may or may not have, you could have simply explained the folly of his ways. You did not. This makes you a terrible person indeed.

              Oakman wrote:

              Hate to break it to you, but there isn't any easy answer. Parents can say, "If it were my kids, I'd. . .", but only youngsters and fools think that there's a one size fits all approach to child-rearing.

              Of course there isn't, but if you know his approach was clearly wrong (even though he at no point presented it as a THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO THINGS, merely a suggestion), maybe you could have explained why instead of telling him he had no children, a fact he likely already knew. For shame! For example, you could have explained any number of interesting points: 1) we don't really know what reported is what happened, based on the newspaper article alone (which is still heavily slanted in favor of the mother), the mother's story is a little suspicious 2) that aside good luck trying to talk common sense to a girl with psychological problems 3) good luck trying to talk common sense to any kid anywhere, ever 4) or anyone on the internet 5) lollercoaster

              - F

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              Fisticuffs wrote:

              a fact he likely already knew

              In fact, I do. It's even in my bio "Software developer par excellence,sometime artist, teacher, musician, husband, father " (that last bit is a giveaway!) oakperson has somehow decided that, because he disagrees with my opinions, that I don't have kids. Not only do I have kids, but I am also a proud, blue-card carrying member of the teaching profession - so I have spent quite some time, over several years, studying many aspects of child mongering.

              Fisticuffs wrote:

              or anyone on the internet

              lol

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