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[Stan Shannon]

Christian Graus wrote:

Cuba's biggest issue is the USA

Sure, Christian, Castro had nothing to do with it. :rolleyes:

Christian Graus wrote:

How has Canada failed ?

Canada is nothing but a welfare state. It can no longer field an army worth the name, it has no real economy. Is it doing pretty well as a wellfare state? I suppose, but that won't last much longer. It will continue to canabalize its economy until it finally collapses. It is inevitable, especially once we have been Obamatized.

Christian Graus wrote:

How has China ?

I said Communist China. The Chinese were intelligent enough to accept that they needed a new economic model if not a social one. But, as others have pointed out, they may have gotten more in the bargin than they bargained for. The US and China are in a mutual death spiral. If one goes, they both go.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Stan Shannon]

Oakman wrote:

I told you the right wing was trying to set up their own little regimnented heaven. Even Stan says so,

Bush did nothing our Presidents have not been doing since at least the Civil War. He did nothing unconstitutional, and if he did, the congress is the party responsible for letting it happen. The presidents primary constitutional obligation is defending the country, not kow towing to every court decision on some wacko interpretation of civil rights such as being enodwed by our creator with an unalianable right to use a telephone.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Stan Shannon]

Oakman wrote:

Would that include the insurance company and/or the employer?

In my idea world there would be no such thing as health insurance and no need for employers to provide it. We used not to have any of that and things worked fine.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Oakman]

Stan Shannon wrote:

We used not to have any of that and things worked fine.

Yep. We didn't have any of that fancy healthcare either. Doctors were barbers and drugists sold snake oil to cure whatever ailed you.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

[Miszou]

It's been about 10 years since I lived in the UK, but as far as I remember, you are free to change your doctor at any time, for any reason. There's so much rampant BS about how terrible national health care is. I'm not going to get into an argument about it, but in England, if you don't want national health care, you can simply pay a private company for it, same as in the US. It's the same as anything in life - if you want the best, you have to pay for it. That said, you can walk into any hospital and be treated, no questions asked and no money taken.

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[Oakman]

Stan Shannon wrote:

Bush did nothing our Presidents have not been doing since at least the Civil War.

The Supremes have done nothing they haven't been doing since about the time of the War of 1812, yet you rail against their unconstitutionality incessantly.

Stan Shannon wrote:

He did nothing unconstitutional, and if he did,

Do you want to have your cake or eat it?

Stan Shannon wrote:

The presidents primary constitutional obligation is defending the country,

I heard the oath given recently. There's nothing in it about which part of the Constitution takes priority. And, in point of fact, the war powers are given by the Constitution to the Congress.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

[Oakman]

Mike Gaskey wrote:

I did try.

Well the good news is that the Supreme Committe has decided you can still be in the fan club, but you are going to have to give up your picture of Rosalynn in a bathing suit.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

[Christian Graus]

Stan Shannon wrote:

Sure, Christian, Castro had nothing to do with it

Yeah, Cuba would be in exactly the same state of poverty if it was allowed to import medicines, etc. The US has nothing to do with it.

Stan Shannon wrote:

Canada is nothing but a welfare stat

Canada has real welfare, as do most other countries. That this makes them failed right now, is a question for debate.

Stan Shannon wrote:

The Chinese were intelligent enough to accept that they needed a new economic model if not a social one

That was kind of my point - failure depends on your criteria. I'd hate to live in China, I don't pretend that their communist system is one that equates to freedom or equity. But, is that failure, or is their economic success, a guage of success in general ? Depends on your POV

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

[Christian Graus]

It definitely is different here. This just proves that life is more nuanced, I don't doubt that changes to health care COULD mean that would happen, if it's allowed to, or even if it's on the agenda at all. But, it's not a given.

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

[Christian Graus]

Stan Shannon wrote:

Anyone who doesn't like that should go somewhere else.

So, it's still your position that the poor should be allowed to die, and get out of your way ?

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

[Stan Shannon]

No. The poor should be cared for by society.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Stan Shannon]

Oakman wrote:

The Supremes have done nothing they haven't been doing since about the time of the War of 1812, yet you rail against their unconstitutionality incessantly.

Thats because they represent the greatest threat to our way of life.

Oakman wrote:

There's nothing in it about which part of the Constitution takes priority.

Precisely my point.

Oakman wrote:

And, in point of fact, the war powers are given by the Constitution to the Congress.

So? The president is the commander in chief. He is answerable to congress, as are the courts. If things are not working properly the fault is with congress. It is their job to deal with those who exceed their authority.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Stan Shannon]

Christian Graus wrote:

The US has nothing to do with it.

They are communists. They are lucky they got off as easy as they have.

Christian Graus wrote:

Canada has real welfare, as do most other countries. That this makes them failed right now, is a question for debate.

It does, you have to be blind not to see it.

Christian Graus wrote:

But, is that failure, or is their economic success, a guage of success in general ? Depends on your POV

The communist ideal failed there as it has every where else it has been tried. It doesn't work. Thats not the fault of the US. Communism is no different from Fascism. They are inherently evil philosophies which should be opposed by freedom loving people.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Christian Graus]

Stan Shannon wrote:

They are communists. They are lucky they got off as easy as they have.

Exactly. People are not allowed to decide on what system of government they want, under the US Empire.

Stan Shannon wrote:

It does, you have to be blind not to see it.

Apparently. It would be better if they just took the poor out into the snow and left them to die.

Stan Shannon wrote:

They are inherently evil philosophies which should be opposed by freedom loving people.

'freedom loving people' means people who have your views, not the freedom to choose their own, right ?

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

[Christian Graus]

In a vague, nebulous, sort of way ? Or in an orderly, consistent sort of way ?

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

[Oakman]

None of your answers were responsive, they didn't even have anything to do with the lines of discussion you'd set up. I think that's a symptom of bi-polar distress. At any rate, I've got socks to sort.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

[Stan Shannon]

Oakman wrote:

None of your answers were responsive

Yeah, they were.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Stan Shannon]

Oakman wrote:

I've got socks to sort.

YOu sort socks? Why don't you act like a man and just stuff them all in the drawyer together?

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Stan Shannon]

Christian Graus wrote:

In a vague, nebulous, sort of way ? Or in an orderly, consistent sort of way ?

In the measured,judgemental way that all workable wealfare systems must have.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Oakman]

Christian Graus wrote:

'freedom loving people' means people who have your views, not the freedom to choose their own, right ?

Of course. Stan is terrified by the thought of actual freedom.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.