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Miszou

It's been about 10 years since I lived in the UK, but as far as I remember, you are free to change your doctor at any time, for any reason. There's so much rampant BS about how terrible national health care is. I'm not going to get into an argument about it, but in England, if you don't want national health care, you can simply pay a private company for it, same as in the US. It's the same as anything in life - if you want the best, you have to pay for it. That said, you can walk into any hospital and be treated, no questions asked and no money taken.

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Oakman

Stan Shannon wrote:

Bush did nothing our Presidents have not been doing since at least the Civil War.

The Supremes have done nothing they haven't been doing since about the time of the War of 1812, yet you rail against their unconstitutionality incessantly.

Stan Shannon wrote:

He did nothing unconstitutional, and if he did,

Do you want to have your cake or eat it?

Stan Shannon wrote:

The presidents primary constitutional obligation is defending the country,

I heard the oath given recently. There's nothing in it about which part of the Constitution takes priority. And, in point of fact, the war powers are given by the Constitution to the Congress.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Oakman

Mike Gaskey wrote:

I did try.

Well the good news is that the Supreme Committe has decided you can still be in the fan club, but you are going to have to give up your picture of Rosalynn in a bathing suit.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Christian Graus

Stan Shannon wrote:

Sure, Christian, Castro had nothing to do with it

Yeah, Cuba would be in exactly the same state of poverty if it was allowed to import medicines, etc. The US has nothing to do with it.

Stan Shannon wrote:

Canada is nothing but a welfare stat

Canada has real welfare, as do most other countries. That this makes them failed right now, is a question for debate.

Stan Shannon wrote:

The Chinese were intelligent enough to accept that they needed a new economic model if not a social one

That was kind of my point - failure depends on your criteria. I'd hate to live in China, I don't pretend that their communist system is one that equates to freedom or equity. But, is that failure, or is their economic success, a guage of success in general ? Depends on your POV

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Christian Graus

It definitely is different here. This just proves that life is more nuanced, I don't doubt that changes to health care COULD mean that would happen, if it's allowed to, or even if it's on the agenda at all. But, it's not a given.

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

Christian Graus

Stan Shannon wrote:

Anyone who doesn't like that should go somewhere else.

So, it's still your position that the poor should be allowed to die, and get out of your way ?

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

Stan Shannon

No. The poor should be cared for by society.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

The Supremes have done nothing they haven't been doing since about the time of the War of 1812, yet you rail against their unconstitutionality incessantly.

Thats because they represent the greatest threat to our way of life.

Oakman wrote:

There's nothing in it about which part of the Constitution takes priority.

Precisely my point.

Oakman wrote:

And, in point of fact, the war powers are given by the Constitution to the Congress.

So? The president is the commander in chief. He is answerable to congress, as are the courts. If things are not working properly the fault is with congress. It is their job to deal with those who exceed their authority.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Christian Graus wrote:

The US has nothing to do with it.

They are communists. They are lucky they got off as easy as they have.

Christian Graus wrote:

Canada has real welfare, as do most other countries. That this makes them failed right now, is a question for debate.

It does, you have to be blind not to see it.

Christian Graus wrote:

But, is that failure, or is their economic success, a guage of success in general ? Depends on your POV

The communist ideal failed there as it has every where else it has been tried. It doesn't work. Thats not the fault of the US. Communism is no different from Fascism. They are inherently evil philosophies which should be opposed by freedom loving people.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Christian Graus

Stan Shannon wrote:

They are communists. They are lucky they got off as easy as they have.

Exactly. People are not allowed to decide on what system of government they want, under the US Empire.

Stan Shannon wrote:

It does, you have to be blind not to see it.

Apparently. It would be better if they just took the poor out into the snow and left them to die.

Stan Shannon wrote:

They are inherently evil philosophies which should be opposed by freedom loving people.

'freedom loving people' means people who have your views, not the freedom to choose their own, right ?

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

Christian Graus

In a vague, nebulous, sort of way ? Or in an orderly, consistent sort of way ?

Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

Oakman

None of your answers were responsive, they didn't even have anything to do with the lines of discussion you'd set up. I think that's a symptom of bi-polar distress. At any rate, I've got socks to sort.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

None of your answers were responsive

Yeah, they were.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

I've got socks to sort.

YOu sort socks? Why don't you act like a man and just stuff them all in the drawyer together?

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Christian Graus wrote:

In a vague, nebulous, sort of way ? Or in an orderly, consistent sort of way ?

In the measured,judgemental way that all workable wealfare systems must have.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Oakman

Christian Graus wrote:

'freedom loving people' means people who have your views, not the freedom to choose their own, right ?

Of course. Stan is terrified by the thought of actual freedom.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Stan Shannon

Christian Graus wrote:

Exactly. People are not allowed to decide on what system of government they want, under the US Empire.

Works for me.

Christian Graus wrote:

Apparently. It would be better if they just took the poor out into the snow and left them to die.

That is not the alternative to the collectivst welfare state, it is the consequence of it.

Christian Graus wrote:

'freedom loving people' means people who have your views, not the freedom to choose their own, right ?

It means people who understand that freedom and personal responsibility mean exactly the same thing.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Stan Shannon

Oakman wrote:

Stan is terrified by the thought of actual freedom.

Which would be what - anal sex? Abortions?

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Bassam Saoud

Are those people (who lost their job) in the IT industry? You can close the H1B program and burn it if you want but the real question is, with IT blooming (and recession-proof by the way, I need to find that article), do you have enough EXPERIENCED/HIGHLY EDECUATED people to do the job. But again who should be allowed to hire Foriegn professionals? My answer to this question is companies that have a full american staff and long history in the market. You think this is an american problem. well its not. If you go to freakin Lebanon, you will find that there are foriegn workers brought into the country. The simple fact is that all companies are investing in Technology and hence IT is in high demand.

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Bassam Saoud

The conflict have not started yesterday. There are United Nation resolutions (some signed by your country) that establishes the right of the palestanians to exist in an independent and viable state. Palestanians dont have a state , its not a gift from the west , its their right. That being said, I also belong to a minority in the east and I do know how hard it is to survive when there is a very little common culture between us and the majority. So what I am trying to say is that I do understand Israel's need of security but I am not blind. Israelis have proved over and over again that they dont want peace and they proved it in the latest elections because they know they can kill their way out of it. But again, Is hamas the answer? Fuck no. Do I respect them ? of course not. And this is not my stance on CP , open a news agency and you will know the deep division in the region about that subject. Do I respect Israel? No I dont. To me hamas and co, Israel and co or any other extremist entity are a danger to the world and should be punished.

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