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  • D Dan Neely

    No more than in the standard Rep/Dem switcharoo we do almost every 4 to 8 years.

    Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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    dan neely wrote:

    No more than in the standard Rep/Dem switcharoo we do almost every 4 to 8 years.

    And do you have any idea what the standard is?

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      BoneSoft wrote:

      However, if he could get through an interview without saying "uh" and "yaknow" 400,000 times, that actually would surprise me.

      Yeah, I bet your really miss that divinely inspired oratory of Dub. :laugh:

      "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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      Yes. Watching him speak was at least intertaining. Obamanation is just painful to listen to. Can't they get him a nice voice over? "Tonight the part of Comrade Oh-bama will be played by Fran Drescher nyahahahahahahahaha" :laugh:


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      • B Bassam Saoud

        Are those people (who lost their job) in the IT industry? You can close the H1B program and burn it if you want but the real question is, with IT blooming (and recession-proof by the way, I need to find that article), do you have enough EXPERIENCED/HIGHLY EDECUATED people to do the job. But again who should be allowed to hire Foriegn professionals? My answer to this question is companies that have a full american staff and long history in the market. You think this is an american problem. well its not. If you go to freakin Lebanon, you will find that there are foriegn workers brought into the country. The simple fact is that all companies are investing in Technology and hence IT is in high demand.

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        Bassam Saoud wrote:

        Are those people (who lost their job) in the IT industry

        Some, yes. Don't you read the news?

        Bassam Saoud wrote:

        But again who should be allowed to hire Foriegn professionals?

        Foreign companies doing business in foreign countries. See how simple that is?

        Bassam Saoud wrote:

        If you go to freakin Lebanon, you will find that there are foriegn workers brought into the country.

        And I should care about "freakin Lebanon," why? I sure hope any foreigners brought in get combat pay.

        Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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        • B Bassam Saoud

          Oakman wrote:

          Yep. We didn't have any of that fancy healthcare either. Doctors were barbers and drugists sold snake oil to cure whatever ailed you.

          funny like always Oakman :laugh: :laugh:

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          Bassam Saoud wrote:

          funny like always Oakman

          Thanks for the laughter, but I hope you understand that I was telling the absolute truth. In fact, it wasn't until about 1900 that hospitals started operating in the manner in which they do now, including adopting standards of antisepsis. Indeed, until 1920, the majority of surgery (by now conducted by M.D.'s) happened in the patient's home. X| What Stan doesn't seem to understand is that the chief cost associated with illness before the 1920's was not the cost of medical care, but rather the fact that sick people couldn't work and didn't get paid. A 1919 study conducted by the State of Illinois reported that lost wages due to sickness were four times larger than the medical expenditures associated with treating the illness. So "sickness insurance," (pretty much the same thing as disability insurance these days) was what people bought, not "health insurance."

          Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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          • S Stan Shannon

            Oakman wrote:

            Stan is terrified by the thought of actual freedom.

            Which would be what - anal sex? Abortions?

            Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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            Stan Shannon wrote:

            Which would be what - anal sex? Abortions?

            That's hardly an exhausive list of what is none of the state's business, even though, once again, you fixate on anal sex. (Did you have a really traumatic shoreleave in San Francisco?) What I find most curious is that you seem to wish with all your heart for unrestrained capitalism with the no checks, bounds, or ameleration by the state - at the same time praying for a government that will insure you will never confront an idea or act that you personally disapprove of.

            Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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              dan neely wrote:

              No more than in the standard Rep/Dem switcharoo we do almost every 4 to 8 years.

              And do you have any idea what the standard is?

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              Are you old enough to remember Clinton - Bush 2? Or Bush1 - Clinton?

              Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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              • D Dan Neely

                Are you old enough to remember Clinton - Bush 2? Or Bush1 - Clinton?

                Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                Yes.

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                • B BoneSoft

                  I wish that people weren't so interested in oppressing, or failing that, killing other people. And I wish governments didn't feel a need to subvert and squable with other governments. Why national leaders can't just sit down and talk like adults is beyond me. But when confronted with that reality, you can fight back or lay down and die. But then aggressors usually see self defense aimed at them as aggression and round and round we go. I think it will change just enough so that they can say they changed without really making any meaningful difference. But then, I could be wrong, Obama inexplicably seems to still be under the illusion that he can be friends with Ahmadenajad. Which he can of course, if he nukes Israel (even if it wiped Palistine off the map as well). And nothing this goofy bastard could do would surprise me at this point. I'd personally like to see us stand firm on stamping out any little pockets of militant terrorists we can find, but I'd also like to see us be as responsible and cooperative as possible with all nations. I don't want to be hated by the rest of the world, or all the lefties in this country. But I'd rather be hated than dead or forced into oppression. I honestly wish good fortune and happy long lives on everybody on the planet, I just wish they all felt the same way, and plenty of people obviously don't.

                  Bassam Saoud wrote:

                  Lots of politicians in my country are changing teams if you know what I mean

                  Not completely sure I do. Could you explain?


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                  BoneSoft wrote:

                  Why national leaders can't just sit down and talk like adults is beyond me.

                  Human nature. Take our soapbox for example. If its a person that the group dislikes, content is irrelevant. Government heads are no different. Like the joke Dan posted. Heads of state are a lot like siblings squabbling. To focused on their own wants. And, if they don't like the opposition, content becomes irrelevant.

                  This statement is false

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                    Bassam Saoud wrote:

                    Why do you say that?

                    because .... instead of boostrapping, we now simply whine.

                    Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                    Mike Gaskey wrote:

                    we now simply whine.

                    I would have thought you'd be more of a beer man, myself

                    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                    • S Stan Shannon

                      Bassam Saoud wrote:

                      What if you dont have money?

                      Thats what christian charity is for.

                      Bassam Saoud wrote:

                      Why do you pay taxes for?

                      The general welfare.

                      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                      christian charity

                      How much do you contribute to that? What if christian charity decides that it will only help me if I'm christian?

                      ShamWow

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                      • C Christian Graus

                        Stan Shannon wrote:

                        Sure, Christian, Castro had nothing to do with it

                        Yeah, Cuba would be in exactly the same state of poverty if it was allowed to import medicines, etc. The US has nothing to do with it.

                        Stan Shannon wrote:

                        Canada is nothing but a welfare stat

                        Canada has real welfare, as do most other countries. That this makes them failed right now, is a question for debate.

                        Stan Shannon wrote:

                        The Chinese were intelligent enough to accept that they needed a new economic model if not a social one

                        That was kind of my point - failure depends on your criteria. I'd hate to live in China, I don't pretend that their communist system is one that equates to freedom or equity. But, is that failure, or is their economic success, a guage of success in general ? Depends on your POV

                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

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                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        Yeah, Cuba would be in exactly the same state of poverty if it was allowed to import medicines, etc. The US has nothing to do with it.

                        Actually Christian, Cuba is free to import its goods from any country in the world, except the US. It merely uses the US embargo as another excuse to keep its people poor, oppressed, and in fear. It's proof positive that unilateral sanctions don't actually work -- ruthless dictators will always find ways to stay in power. 50 years without elections! X|

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                        • A Al Beback

                          Stan Shannon wrote:

                          christian charity

                          How much do you contribute to that? What if christian charity decides that it will only help me if I'm christian?

                          ShamWow

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                          Al Beback wrote:

                          How much do you contribute to that?

                          Thats my business, but I'm in good standing at my church at least on that issue.

                          Al Beback wrote:

                          What if christian charity decides that it will only help me if I'm christian?

                          Well that wouldn't be very Christian. But it would not at all be inappropriate for the charity to be predicated on certain behavioral expectations.

                          Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                          • S Synaptrik

                            BoneSoft wrote:

                            Why national leaders can't just sit down and talk like adults is beyond me.

                            Human nature. Take our soapbox for example. If its a person that the group dislikes, content is irrelevant. Government heads are no different. Like the joke Dan posted. Heads of state are a lot like siblings squabbling. To focused on their own wants. And, if they don't like the opposition, content becomes irrelevant.

                            This statement is false

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                            Yes. But you would think that of those that rise to the highest levels of government in a nation would at least be adults, if not more adult than most. Course you'd be wrong, but it makes no sense.


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