The Soapbox - an option [modified]
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The difference lies in the way the votes were cast - true It is still debatable whether the message removed link should have been active - true They were done by multiple people - true Went through the proper channels - true What happened on Saturday was a wiping out of posts in a seemingly random fashion - probably true, I'm rubbish at spotting patterns One of my posts was nuked with no vote being cast - true (check my profile if you want proof) This is impossible by normal means - true (marking a message for removal also univotes; thirteen hides the message)
Ilíon wrote:
For months, *my* posts have been vanished in much the same way that "the community's" were vanished yesterday.
False. Yours were done in a more democratic way. Multiple people voted. Not always thirteen, but sufficient enough to ensure that it wasn't just one person making the decisions
Ilíon wrote:
Just what, exactly, was the point of the so-called Soapbox, after all, if that point can be so easily obviated by a few hours of the more obnoxious posters getting a taste of their own medicine?
I'll be honest; I wasn't around to see its creation. However, I always thought of it as a non-kid sister safe alternative to the Lounge, where you (plural) would have the more inane posts shouted down and/or univoted
Computafreak wrote:
I always thought of it as a non-kid sister safe alternative to the Lounge, where you (plural) would have the more inane posts shouted down and/or univoted
Yep.
Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.
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He has an inability to recognise that he is unpopular and wrong, and he will work his best to destroy every forum, we must all stop feeding him!
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
Agreed. I, for one, will strive to henceforth give his posts the complete inattention they deserve.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I un oned you.
Gee, I wonder who that might have been? :confused: I 5-voted your suggestion that we stop responding to him. A pre-emptive strike. ;) . . . and a fervrent prayer.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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The Soapbox degenerated into a forum more or less dedicated to US politics and personal bandwagons. It was absolutely pointless to my goal of providing free resources to Software Developers. However, removing it means that I no longer have a place to move inappropriate posts (I always prefer to move than delete) which means I'm going to be spending all my monitoring the lounge. I want to read and enjoy the lounge, not clean up everyone's mess. So how about: 1. I create a new forum 'After 8 Lounge' or something. Anything not PG rated goes there. I do miss bad, politically incorrect jokes. Anything totally inappropriate in either of the lounges gets nuked, zero tolerance. And... 2. I reopen the Soapbox and remove votes and remove the ability for casual members to vote messages off the island. There will be no exposure for the forum (no links from the homepage or menus). The current Soapbox crowd has a private place to vent their spleens. However since many of the members in there are in the US they understand more than anyone the issues of libel laws. We, as a site, cannot promote or implicitely allow anything that violates any of the hate-crime or libel laws. I simply will not allow the site to be legally exposed simply for the sake of a few. So, in order to participate in the Soapbox you will have to agree, with each post, that you are not violating our Terms of Use. Go nuts, but stay within the ropes. Further, I'll ask the Soapbox crowd to nominate a few members who will have the right to delete posts. You guys will have your own self-policed protected corner in which to continue your fun and will yourselves be responsible for ensuring this behaviour is within reason, and that it doesn't spill out on to the rest of the site.
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:43 AM
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Oakman wrote:
A pre-emptive strike.
A pre-emptive strike isn't enough. We need an air strike
Computafreak wrote:
We need an air strike
I love the smell of napalm on a Sunday afternoon. :laugh:
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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The Soapbox degenerated into a forum more or less dedicated to US politics and personal bandwagons. It was absolutely pointless to my goal of providing free resources to Software Developers. However, removing it means that I no longer have a place to move inappropriate posts (I always prefer to move than delete) which means I'm going to be spending all my monitoring the lounge. I want to read and enjoy the lounge, not clean up everyone's mess. So how about: 1. I create a new forum 'After 8 Lounge' or something. Anything not PG rated goes there. I do miss bad, politically incorrect jokes. Anything totally inappropriate in either of the lounges gets nuked, zero tolerance. And... 2. I reopen the Soapbox and remove votes and remove the ability for casual members to vote messages off the island. There will be no exposure for the forum (no links from the homepage or menus). The current Soapbox crowd has a private place to vent their spleens. However since many of the members in there are in the US they understand more than anyone the issues of libel laws. We, as a site, cannot promote or implicitely allow anything that violates any of the hate-crime or libel laws. I simply will not allow the site to be legally exposed simply for the sake of a few. So, in order to participate in the Soapbox you will have to agree, with each post, that you are not violating our Terms of Use. Go nuts, but stay within the ropes. Further, I'll ask the Soapbox crowd to nominate a few members who will have the right to delete posts. You guys will have your own self-policed protected corner in which to continue your fun and will yourselves be responsible for ensuring this behaviour is within reason, and that it doesn't spill out on to the rest of the site.
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:43 AM
Well, option 1 is a none-starter. What's after 8 for me is lunchtime for you. Option 2 seems to be the most appropriate choice - oh well, I guess I'll have to find somewhere else to post my more off-colour jokes.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
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He has an inability to recognise that he is unpopular and wrong, and he will work his best to destroy every forum, we must all stop feeding him!
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
I never feed him.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
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Well, option 1 is a none-starter. What's after 8 for me is lunchtime for you. Option 2 seems to be the most appropriate choice - oh well, I guess I'll have to find somewhere else to post my more off-colour jokes.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
Pete, it wasn't 1 or 2 it was 1 AND 2!
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
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Pete, it wasn't 1 or 2 it was 1 AND 2!
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
Sorry - didn't see that. I'm loaded with pain killers at the moment so my brain's a bit fuzzy tonight.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
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Henry Minute wrote:
Firstly, I try not to think about anything.
You're kidding, surely!
Henry Minute wrote:
Secondly, I might have replied to your questions had they been in the soapbox,
Dewd! Someone closed the so-called Soapbox, and someone says that he's discussing options about how to reopen it here.
Henry Minute wrote:
I have an aversion to posts with an entrenched attitude.
Do you now?
Ilíon wrote:
Dewd! Someone closed the so-called Soapbox
You finally stumbled on the point of my original post. Although clearly you didn't understand it. Whoever it was that said irony is wasted on Americans, might just have had a point!
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Before 8
Are "before" and "under" synonymous in Jolly Olde, then?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Oakman wrote:
Are "before" and "under" synonymous in Jolly Olde, then?
I've just got that. Just glided past me first time round. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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The Soapbox degenerated into a forum more or less dedicated to US politics and personal bandwagons. It was absolutely pointless to my goal of providing free resources to Software Developers. However, removing it means that I no longer have a place to move inappropriate posts (I always prefer to move than delete) which means I'm going to be spending all my monitoring the lounge. I want to read and enjoy the lounge, not clean up everyone's mess. So how about: 1. I create a new forum 'After 8 Lounge' or something. Anything not PG rated goes there. I do miss bad, politically incorrect jokes. Anything totally inappropriate in either of the lounges gets nuked, zero tolerance. And... 2. I reopen the Soapbox and remove votes and remove the ability for casual members to vote messages off the island. There will be no exposure for the forum (no links from the homepage or menus). The current Soapbox crowd has a private place to vent their spleens. However since many of the members in there are in the US they understand more than anyone the issues of libel laws. We, as a site, cannot promote or implicitely allow anything that violates any of the hate-crime or libel laws. I simply will not allow the site to be legally exposed simply for the sake of a few. So, in order to participate in the Soapbox you will have to agree, with each post, that you are not violating our Terms of Use. Go nuts, but stay within the ropes. Further, I'll ask the Soapbox crowd to nominate a few members who will have the right to delete posts. You guys will have your own self-policed protected corner in which to continue your fun and will yourselves be responsible for ensuring this behaviour is within reason, and that it doesn't spill out on to the rest of the site.
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:43 AM
Chris Maunder wrote:
I create a new forum 'After 8 Lounge' or something. Anything not PG rated goes there. I do miss bad, politically incorrect jokes.
Or just lower the PG bar of the Lounge. I like bad jokes too, and it is nice to be able to remind the VB/C# crowd they are not real programmers ;P
Chris Maunder wrote:
I reopen the Soapbox and remove votes and remove ...
Whatever. I still don't see how that forum has anything to do with the Code Project mission though.
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Henry Minute wrote:
I think that this should be moved to the SoapBox!
Thank you for your well thought-out opinion ... which, oddly enough, seems to have thoroughly avoided the questions I had been wondering about.
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The Soapbox degenerated into a forum more or less dedicated to US politics and personal bandwagons. It was absolutely pointless to my goal of providing free resources to Software Developers. However, removing it means that I no longer have a place to move inappropriate posts (I always prefer to move than delete) which means I'm going to be spending all my monitoring the lounge. I want to read and enjoy the lounge, not clean up everyone's mess. So how about: 1. I create a new forum 'After 8 Lounge' or something. Anything not PG rated goes there. I do miss bad, politically incorrect jokes. Anything totally inappropriate in either of the lounges gets nuked, zero tolerance. And... 2. I reopen the Soapbox and remove votes and remove the ability for casual members to vote messages off the island. There will be no exposure for the forum (no links from the homepage or menus). The current Soapbox crowd has a private place to vent their spleens. However since many of the members in there are in the US they understand more than anyone the issues of libel laws. We, as a site, cannot promote or implicitely allow anything that violates any of the hate-crime or libel laws. I simply will not allow the site to be legally exposed simply for the sake of a few. So, in order to participate in the Soapbox you will have to agree, with each post, that you are not violating our Terms of Use. Go nuts, but stay within the ropes. Further, I'll ask the Soapbox crowd to nominate a few members who will have the right to delete posts. You guys will have your own self-policed protected corner in which to continue your fun and will yourselves be responsible for ensuring this behaviour is within reason, and that it doesn't spill out on to the rest of the site.
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Sunday, March 1, 2009 11:43 AM
IMHO you should leave the Soapbox closed and be done with it once and for all. This is primarily a programming site and the Lounge should be adequate for people to chew the fat in a civil and responsible manner. If people want to vent their spleen or contribute to flame wars then there are plenty of other Internet forums where they can rant to their heart's content. The Soapbox has become a waste of disk space. Please leave it closed, because no matter what hoops people have to jump through to post there, you are going to end up with the same problem eventually - some of the replies here demonstrate exactly what you will be dealing with. If you must stick to the kid-sister rule in the Lounge (why? aren't we all grown-ups here? The odd rude joke isn't going to hurt is it?) then go for option 1, but the Soapbox in any form will end up biting you on the backside and it's just not worth the grief. You don't owe the community any kind of forum where they can post abusive messages and any form of disclaimer may protect you as the site owner, but it will still taint the good Code Project name. Other tech forums can cope with abusive content, and if it means a CP employee or nominated members have to police the Lounge for dubious content, then so be it.
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Mac. Humour. I think not.
Brady Kelly wrote:
Mac. Humour. I think not.
Really! Have you seen their prices?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Ilíon wrote:
Dewd! Someone closed the so-called Soapbox
You finally stumbled on the point of my original post. Although clearly you didn't understand it. Whoever it was that said irony is wasted on Americans, might just have had a point!
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
Stop feeding it!
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
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Stop feeding it!
------------------------------------ "May I introduce Blon Fel-Fotch Pasermeer-Day Slitheen from the planet Raxacoricofallapatorious, known by her friends as Margaret" The Doctor
Roger, Wilko and Out.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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After reading ilion's post[^] below, I fear no solution short of permanent closure can work. With thanks to all who showed unwarranted confidence in me by suggesting I might be a suitable monito to a vote free soapbox, the anger that Ilion's two self serving posts below stirred in me persuades me that I would not be able to resist the temptation to abuse such power, and so I must decline. Let Ilion have his precious victory.
Rob Graham wrote:
Let Ilion have his precious victory.
My argument for keeping the SB open in times past has always been that it provides a way to quarantine misbehavior. To date, Ilion has, for the most part at least, behaved appropriately elsewhere on the site. If that remains true (for Ilion and others), then I would agree - it can stay closed. If it just means that instead of needing someone to police one forum, we need people to police hundreds of forums... then we've just dumped the cesspool onto the lawn.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
Mac. Humour. I think not.
Really! Have you seen their prices?
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
Henry Minute wrote:
Have you seen their prices?
OK: :laugh: :laugh:
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Rob Graham wrote:
Let Ilion have his precious victory.
My argument for keeping the SB open in times past has always been that it provides a way to quarantine misbehavior. To date, Ilion has, for the most part at least, behaved appropriately elsewhere on the site. If that remains true (for Ilion and others), then I would agree - it can stay closed. If it just means that instead of needing someone to police one forum, we need people to police hundreds of forums... then we've just dumped the cesspool onto the lawn.
Unfortunately, I think it's only a matter of time before the cesspool overflows here. I think it has already started to.
