MSDN Online Annoyance
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For the past 6-7 years, the online version of MSDN has taken so many steps back in usability they are now into negative numbers. I would genuinely be curious as to how this evolved and what absurd set of practices led to this.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
I would genuinely be curious as to how this evolved and what absurd set of practices led to this.
Some of it anyway: 2001-2003: The last hurrahs of the "content team" that created such masterpieces as Duwamish, Pet Store and the SOAP Toolkit. Just about everything else was all about the Library (aka the docs). 2003-2005(ish): The "Hub and Spoke" years - the idea developed about having developer centers for the primary "styles" of development. The hub would be MSDN itself, and the spokes a combination of the developer centers, and the assorted community sites. This started with one person responsible for each developer center, organizing and providing content. As more and more groups demanded dev centers, this started to break down until the internal dev center group was disbanded. 2005-present: The dev centers were reorganized into the existing structure (Home, Library, Learn...). This was done to accommodate the new publishing system that is tuned for the Library content and generates those lovely URLs. Officially, the site content is managed by each product team, thus the quality and organization varies based on the interest of each team. Some sites have a dedicated person (VB being the most visible), others are managed by marketing, still others are pretty much ignored until review time approaches. At least, that's what I've heard...
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Why do MS keep redesigning it? A while ago you could navigate to one dev center to another via dropdown menus, which I found useful. That's no longer possible and you have to go back to MSDN Home to reach another dev center. So, a backward step in usability. :mad:
Kevin
Effect of the VC Management method: If it doesn't work, fire the old eam, hire a completely new team based on who promises the most betterments. I don't think that's what happening, but it wouldn't make much of a difference.
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It's quite simple, really. They took the design away from the coders and got a 'designer' working on it! :-D
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It's quite simple, really. They took the design away from the coders and got a 'designer' working on it! :-D
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
Henry Minute wrote:
They took the design away from the coders and got a 'designer' working on it!
I heard it was Dolce & Gabbana. :-D
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Why do MS keep redesigning it? A while ago you could navigate to one dev center to another via dropdown menus, which I found useful. That's no longer possible and you have to go back to MSDN Home to reach another dev center. So, a backward step in usability. :mad:
Kevin
I hate it, hate it , hate it. After the redesign it won't remember my language settings - so whenever I go to a new page I get VB code as well as C# - no matter how many times I change the language settings. Makes me crazy.
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Why do MS keep redesigning it? A while ago you could navigate to one dev center to another via dropdown menus, which I found useful. That's no longer possible and you have to go back to MSDN Home to reach another dev center. So, a backward step in usability. :mad:
Kevin
Bring back the early '90s MSDN CD's, especially the ones featuring Dr. GUI (Remember he's not a real Doctor).
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Bring back the early '90s MSDN CD's, especially the ones featuring Dr. GUI (Remember he's not a real Doctor).
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Norm .net wrote:
(Remember he's not a real Doctor)
What made you deem it necessary to remind us of that now?
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Norm .net wrote:
(Remember he's not a real Doctor)
What made you deem it necessary to remind us of that now?
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:confused: Sorry didn't quite catch that.
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Norm .net wrote:
(Remember he's not a real Doctor)
What made you deem it necessary to remind us of that now?
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Brady Kelly wrote:
What made you deem reminding us of that necessary now?
More to the point, where did you learn to write like that? ;)
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
What made you deem reminding us of that necessary now?
More to the point, where did you learn to write like that? ;)
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
More to the point, where did you learn to write like that?
My thoughts as well.
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:confused: Sorry didn't quite catch that.
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Sorry, was answering the phone while posting. Brain [grammar section] fart. :-O
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Brady Kelly wrote:
What made you deem reminding us of that necessary now?
More to the point, where did you learn to write like that? ;)
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.
I think it will be slightly clearer now.