Eursoc: Inner city violence, Paris style: Warning, violent images

[Mike Gaskey]

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

There certainly are moral dimensions to consider.

and so very many ways of apologizing for uncivilized behavior - don't you just love moral equivalency?

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

[Lost User]

Stan Shannon wrote:

But what would be the difference between that and incidents such as this?

None.

Stan Shannon wrote:

This is simply another manifestation of the self loathing which cripples western civilazation.

Not on my part. The video should not be displayed until court procedings, and then, no doubt, it will enter the public domain. What I don't wan't the people like those I have worked with being beaten up by neo-Nazis just because they are Arab, Pakistani, or African in some sort of 'revenge' for attacks like these. (Or Jews were attacked in 'revenge' for the Israeli operations in Gaza). What I do want is the attackers tried with uncompromised evidence, put away and, if possible, deported.

Stan Shannon wrote:

We deserve to be beaten by all the other people's of the world - we're white after all.

Yes, after all, what have the British, Dutch, French, and Spanish ever done to the rest of the world - just because they weren't white? :)

Stan Shannon wrote:

And we must do everything possible to shackle and contain the "right wing"

Neo-Nazis? Yes.

Stan Shannon wrote:

because that is the worst possible threat of all!

No, because they are among the many serious threats that western civilisation faces.

Bob Emmett

[Oakman]

Bob Emmett wrote:

it is an example I would follow - contact the emergency services and sit tight.

Yep. That's what the passengers on the first three planes did on 9/11. The fourth group understood the futility of of playing Mr. Ostrich.

Bob Emmett wrote:

(Giving someone "a good kicking" may appear extreme to innocents abroad, it is, however, commonplace.)

So that's how gun control is working out for you?

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[Oakman]

Mike Gaskey wrote:

and so very many ways of apologizing for uncivilized behavior

And, I am sure you agree, one very effective way of answering it.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

[Lost User]

Stan Shannon wrote:

white gangs were beating up black folks on buses while calling them racial epithets

I doubt whether any white policeman would have posted the CCTV video on Facebook. Once upon a time, he may even have disabled the CCTV and joined in. :) But our police force is no longer 'institutionally racist'.

Bob Emmett

[Lost User]

Yes, but National Service was abolished. Might not be a bad idea to bring it back.

[Lost User]

Bob Emmett wrote:

contact the emergency services and sit tight

Oakman wrote:

That's what the passengers

As a late-night bus driver in Paris, not as a passenger on a hijacked aeroplane. I have no idea what was possible in the first 3 planes.

Oakman wrote:

So that's how gun control is working out for you?

Passengers and attackers shoot it out. Driver killed in crossfire. Bus swerves, collides with tanker. Tanker jack-knifes, overturns and spills fuel. Three lanes of traffic plough into tanker. All fuel tanks explode simultaneously. Only survivors are the attackers who race off into the night. Elderly, bald, NY cop, on exchange visit with Paris police, removes shirt and shoes, checks gun and ammo, and gives chase ... Quite well, thanks. :)

Bob Emmett

[Lost User]

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

National Service was abolished. Might not be a bad idea to bring it back.

Getting on a bit, Richard? Finding the Daily Wail a good read? :) I seem to remember we had Teddy Boys with razors and knives doing much the same thing even when we had National Service. Anyway, the services don't want oiks for just a couple of years, they are of no use. Unless ... didn't the Soviet Army use its middle-aged for clearing mine-fields in WWII? Now there's a possible role for oiks.

Bob Emmett

[Lost User]

Bob Emmett wrote:

Getting on a bit, Richard? Finding the Daily Wail a good read? Smile I seem to remember we had Teddy Boys with razors and knives doing much the same thing even when we had National Service.

Yes, no I never read that - the EDP (your son will know of that newspaper even if you don't) is more to my liking, and you are right about them.

Bob Emmett wrote:

the services don't want oiks for just a couple of years, they are of no use

The square bashing might instill discipline in them. If it is done proper, it should equip them with some skills that a future employer might make use of, and there certainly is enough lads and lasses below 25 years of age who are unemployed.

[Oakman]

Bob Emmett wrote:

Quite well, thanks

You'd be surprised, I think, how the possibility of armed citizens tends to decrease criminal activity. For most of the history of Britain, outlaws had to deal with the idea that threatening John Q Public might permit them to make the aquaintance of John's broadsword, rapier, pistol, or revolver. These days all they have to worry about is John's waving the flag of surrender so vehemently every one's hair gets mussed.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

[Oakman]

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

Yes, but National Service was abolished.

I'm of two minds about that. It's always seemed to me that the draft was a form of slavery. Yet I cannot deny that it was a great place to find orc fodder, and to force some weak sisters into joining the militia. Interestingly, recruiting for the National Guard is up in this country, recently. An increase in the unemployment rate is apparently good for volunteering.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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[fred_]

Bob Emmett wrote:

Passengers and attackers shoot it out. Driver killed in crossfire. Bus swerves, collides with tanker. Tanker jack-knifes, overturns and spills fuel. Three lanes of traffic plough into tanker. All fuel tanks explode simultaneously. Only survivors are the attackers who race off into the night. Elderly, bald, NY cop, on exchange visit with Paris police, removes shirt and shoes, checks gun and ammo, and gives chase ...

Every think of a career as a novelist?

[Ilion]

Stan Shannon wrote:

I'm actually pretty damned sure that if white gangs were beating up black folks on buses while calling them racial epithets, there would be far less moral confusion.

Amazing, isn't it?

[Lost User]

You are not going to lure me down this well worn path. I do not advocate the USA changing its law on gun ownership, it is not my country, it is a democracy, it's up to your citizens to decide. I rather suspect that, like Prohibition, it would create more problems than it solved. Re: "Putting the boot in." When I used the word 'commonplace', I meant it in the context of drunken males. [corrected for typo]

Bob Emmett

[Lost User]

Ilíon wrote:

Amazing, isn't it?

So you have established that there would be less moral confusion if whites were beating up blacks. Can you provide supporting evidence? Not the bleating of the liberal media; Not the exonerations of the defending lawyer; Real evidence of the moral confusion experienced by those involved in maintaining law and order. Said 'confusion' did not prevent them arresting three suspects.

Bob Emmett

[Oakman]

Bob Emmett wrote:

You are not going to lure me down this well worn path

Was simply trying to share an opinion that might have caused you to think about the issue. I apologize for seeming to attempt to lure you into doing something you don't want to do.

Bob Emmett wrote:

When I used the word 'commonplace', I meant it in the context of drunken males.

My experience with drunken males is they don't really worry about who they inflict themselves on. Is your experience different?

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

[Lost User]

Oakman wrote:

I apologize for seeming to attempt to lure you into doing something you don't want to do.

To do that adequately, without merely stating an opinion, I would have to research the evidence, which would take time I cannot currently spare from being retired. :) The path has been well worn by the Oz vs USA posts, and I have nothing to add.

Oakman wrote:

they don't really worry about who they inflict themselves on

True, but the degree to which they inflict themselves is the problem. In Norwich, a city set in a rural area, a large shopping mall was excavated, using navvies from outside the area. They taught the locals how to 'really' brawl. The navvies are gone, but the escalated level of violence in late night brawls remains.

Bob Emmett