Pax Americana
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Do you believe it? I think some of what they write may be true.
if such a document exists and sounds anything like they describe, it's just ugly. what's funny is that Pat Buchanan makes more sense than Bush these days. (both links from this Plastic.compost) -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
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http://www.sundayherald.com/print27735[^] i'd sure love to see this "document" they speak of. -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
:wtf::omg::wtf: I knew it all along. Bush (or the "shadow government" that uses him because he's easy to control, i.e. Cheney or whomever) wants to take over the Gulf, and eventually the world. By extending the definition of "terrorism" and using the 9/11-incited patriotic fervor, the U.S. will expand its military dominion. I knew it! But all that aside, it's more (and rather substantial) ammunition in this on-and-off argument I've been having with another high-school student. :~ Get me into space as soon as possible. This world's going to hell, and I don't want to be part of it. Anyone played Deus Ex, the computer/console game? Ya. Just, ya.
-Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] MadHamster Creations "I was born human. But this was an accident of fate - a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change..."
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http://www.sundayherald.com/print27735[^] i'd sure love to see this "document" they speak of. -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
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I think your little foil beanie might have slipped off. :suss:
Mike Mullikin :beer: You can't really dust for vomit. Nigel Tufnel - Spinal Tap
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http://www.sundayherald.com/print27735[^] i'd sure love to see this "document" they speak of. -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
I have to wonder how much of a role the administration had in the creation of the documents... "for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). " What does it mean for it to be drawn up for them? Is it "here is what we (Cheney & Co) want to do, you (PNAC) draw up some plans for us" or is it "we (PNAC) will draw up these plans and lobby the administration to use them". In both cases I could say they were made for the Bush administration. James "And we are all men; apart from the females." - Colin Davies
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I have to wonder how much of a role the administration had in the creation of the documents... "for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). " What does it mean for it to be drawn up for them? Is it "here is what we (Cheney & Co) want to do, you (PNAC) draw up some plans for us" or is it "we (PNAC) will draw up these plans and lobby the administration to use them". In both cases I could say they were made for the Bush administration. James "And we are all men; apart from the females." - Colin Davies
looks like this PNAC's website is down. but, a little googling turns up some other documents from them: http://www.nationalreview.com/document/document092101b.shtml[^] they include such notables as William Kristol, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett and Jeane Kirkpatrick. sounds like a scary bunch. -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
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:wtf::omg::wtf: I knew it all along. Bush (or the "shadow government" that uses him because he's easy to control, i.e. Cheney or whomever) wants to take over the Gulf, and eventually the world. By extending the definition of "terrorism" and using the 9/11-incited patriotic fervor, the U.S. will expand its military dominion. I knew it! But all that aside, it's more (and rather substantial) ammunition in this on-and-off argument I've been having with another high-school student. :~ Get me into space as soon as possible. This world's going to hell, and I don't want to be part of it. Anyone played Deus Ex, the computer/console game? Ya. Just, ya.
-Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] MadHamster Creations "I was born human. But this was an accident of fate - a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change..."
Domenic [Geekn] wrote: I knew it all along. Bush (or the "shadow government" that uses him because he's easy to control, i.e. Cheney or whomever) wants to take over the Gulf, and eventually the world. By extending the definition of "terrorism" and using the 9/11-incited patriotic fervor, the U.S. will expand its military dominion. I knew it! And here I had been thinking that you were an intelligent kid... Imagine my disappointment:(( I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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http://www.sundayherald.com/print27735[^] i'd sure love to see this "document" they speak of. -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
Considering that every thing in the article is something the U.S. *should* be concerned about - we should be planning for world domination. If not us, who would you prefer? Somebody is going to get it. I just wish that Bush, you and the guy who wrote the article were intelligent enough to understand that. BTW, the only reason Cheney is Vice-president is so that that Jeb Bush will not have any serious competition when it is his turn to run for president. There is nothing more nefarious about Cheney's position than that (although I suppose that is bad enough). I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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http://www.sundayherald.com/print27735[^] i'd sure love to see this "document" they speak of. -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
There are bound to be studies and strategy documents (would you trust a goverment that didn't bother wit hthem ?) but I suspect the Sunday Herald may have been a little 'creative' :suss: Elaine (ever so slightly cynical tigress) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Considering that every thing in the article is something the U.S. *should* be concerned about - we should be planning for world domination. If not us, who would you prefer? Somebody is going to get it. I just wish that Bush, you and the guy who wrote the article were intelligent enough to understand that. BTW, the only reason Cheney is Vice-president is so that that Jeb Bush will not have any serious competition when it is his turn to run for president. There is nothing more nefarious about Cheney's position than that (although I suppose that is bad enough). I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
Cheney is in a spot ideally suited to his experience. He did an excellent job as SecDef years ago; I even forgive him for putting an end to my career:-)
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Considering that every thing in the article is something the U.S. *should* be concerned about - we should be planning for world domination. If not us, who would you prefer? Somebody is going to get it. I just wish that Bush, you and the guy who wrote the article were intelligent enough to understand that. BTW, the only reason Cheney is Vice-president is so that that Jeb Bush will not have any serious competition when it is his turn to run for president. There is nothing more nefarious about Cheney's position than that (although I suppose that is bad enough). I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
Reverend Stan wrote: I just wish that Bush, you and the guy who wrote the article were intelligent enough to understand that and i wish you were intelligent enough to realize that an endless war can't work. only in your sick dreams are we going to kill every person who wishes the US harm. ask israel how well their War On Terrosism is going - has their military succeeded in teaching those damned Palestinians a lesson? how about Russia? they've been fighting terrorists for decades - any luck there? how about the British - have their fancy tanks and riot police succeeded in stopping the IRA from doing what they do? No in all cases. -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
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Cheney is in a spot ideally suited to his experience. He did an excellent job as SecDef years ago; I even forgive him for putting an end to my career:-)
I agree completely that he is ideally suited for the position. But that is not why he was selected. He does, in fact, minimize the threat to Jeb's presidential hopes. A younger, more dynamic person would be someone Jeb would have to contend with in his inevitable presidential bid. Cheney isn't. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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I agree completely that he is ideally suited for the position. But that is not why he was selected. He does, in fact, minimize the threat to Jeb's presidential hopes. A younger, more dynamic person would be someone Jeb would have to contend with in his inevitable presidential bid. Cheney isn't. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
Good point:-)
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Reverend Stan wrote: I just wish that Bush, you and the guy who wrote the article were intelligent enough to understand that and i wish you were intelligent enough to realize that an endless war can't work. only in your sick dreams are we going to kill every person who wishes the US harm. ask israel how well their War On Terrosism is going - has their military succeeded in teaching those damned Palestinians a lesson? how about Russia? they've been fighting terrorists for decades - any luck there? how about the British - have their fancy tanks and riot police succeeded in stopping the IRA from doing what they do? No in all cases. -c
Greenspun's Tenth Rule of Programming: "Any sufficiently complicated C or Fortran program contains an ad-hoc, informally-specified bug-ridden slow implementation of half of Common Lisp."
Chris Losinger wrote: and i wish you were intelligent enough to realize that an endless war can't work. only in your sick dreams are we going to kill every person who wishes the US harm. ask israel how well their War On Terrosism is going - has their military succeeded in teaching those damned Palestinians a lesson? how about Russia? they've been fighting terrorists for decades - any luck there? how about the British - have their fancy tanks and riot police succeeded in stopping the IRA from doing what they do? No in all cases. What do you mean? I am totally opposed to our current war on terror or any such war. I have been very disappointed in Bush's tactics thus far. There is only one kind of war - a face to face confrontation with a country's military force, the outright distruction of that force, and the capture of the enemy's center of government. *That* is what I'm for. Obviously, you cannot stop terror. You can, however, minimize the organizational capacity of those who use terror for a broader political agenda. Screw the terrorists -destroy the governments that allow them to exist. If there is a peaceful means of achieving that - fine. If some alternative foreign policy on our part towards the Middleeast would make people there friendly enough toward us that they would of their own accord deal with the terrorist in their midst, I would happily support that. I just don't believe that their is anything we can do in that regard to accomplish it. I believe that there are governments other than our own plotting for world domination and I think the Islamic political/religious community believes that they have a legitimate chance to achieve that - hence bin Ladin and 9/11. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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Considering that every thing in the article is something the U.S. *should* be concerned about - we should be planning for world domination. If not us, who would you prefer? Somebody is going to get it. I just wish that Bush, you and the guy who wrote the article were intelligent enough to understand that. BTW, the only reason Cheney is Vice-president is so that that Jeb Bush will not have any serious competition when it is his turn to run for president. There is nothing more nefarious about Cheney's position than that (although I suppose that is bad enough). I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
Reverend Stan wrote: Somebody is going to get it. I think your foil beanie slipped off ;P But it's the age old "If I wouldn't deliver weapons to Saddam, someone else would. And if I do, at least it creates jobs in our country" If someone else would "get it", the US would sure get along on their own. if the document is true, this is just the breed of some stubborn cold warriors.
Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier' Rosenstolz [sighist]
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Reverend Stan wrote: Somebody is going to get it. I think your foil beanie slipped off ;P But it's the age old "If I wouldn't deliver weapons to Saddam, someone else would. And if I do, at least it creates jobs in our country" If someone else would "get it", the US would sure get along on their own. if the document is true, this is just the breed of some stubborn cold warriors.
Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier' Rosenstolz [sighist]
Hey, my foil beanie never slips off - I glued it on to my old, bald cold warrior head. :eek: :laugh: I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
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Domenic [Geekn] wrote: I knew it all along. Bush (or the "shadow government" that uses him because he's easy to control, i.e. Cheney or whomever) wants to take over the Gulf, and eventually the world. By extending the definition of "terrorism" and using the 9/11-incited patriotic fervor, the U.S. will expand its military dominion. I knew it! And here I had been thinking that you were an intelligent kid... Imagine my disappointment:(( I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.
Well, of course I am (hopefully) exaggerating about "eventually the world," but "By extending the definition of 'terrorism' and using the 9/11-incited patriotic fervor, the U.S. will expand its military dominion" is my definite opinion, I'm afraid. The comment about "shadow government" (note the quotes) was simply because every time I say "Bush wants to do this" or whatever, I realize he's not intelligent enough and that it's really Cheney/his advisors/etc. Those are the only real un-intelligent things I think I may have said there... And the gulf definitely seems to be the administration's goal, IMO because of the oil, and of course to finish what pappy started. I can see Afghanistan, sure. Iraq, only because they're close to having nukes and they have a reason to use them. But beyond that? No. It's not our job to go an install a "regimine change" wherever we disagree with the ethics or politics of this or that petty dictator, or say that's our reason to the citizens but really just invade for their oil. And of course I hope you're not implying that different political opinions make for lack of intelligence, right? ... Finally, a relief from the stupid people around me! An intelligent conversation! :omg:
-Domenic Denicola- [CPUA 0x1337] MadHamster Creations "I was born human. But this was an accident of fate - a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we have the power to change..."