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devvvy wrote:
best programmers are generally unemployed?
Okay, I'll bite... It's complete nonsense: a really good programmer will never be unemployed unless they choose to be.
digital man wrote:
a really good programmer will never be unemployed unless they choose to be.
In ideal world :) Unfortunatelly, I know some really good programmers who had hard time finding a job - they were not very good at marketing their skills.
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sometimes i thought to myself, for one to be really good programmer, you need to be unemployed. To get away from daily fire fighting, the long hours, the politics. Is it true, best programmers are generally unemployed? (I know one thing they can't be behind bars)
dev
No.
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sometimes i thought to myself, for one to be really good programmer, you need to be unemployed. To get away from daily fire fighting, the long hours, the politics. Is it true, best programmers are generally unemployed? (I know one thing they can't be behind bars)
dev
I'd say it's about 50/50. Some of the people I've seen were really good programmers, and showed me some of the most beautiful code I've ever seen, but were unemployed. Others had employment and showed me some of the code they wrote in their spare time and I felt like gouging my eyes out. Employment does not imply skill; it merely infers it
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No.
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Tech Blog | Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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I think it's obvious. If you're good, you will be in demand.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
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I don't need to be. I've seen them.... ;P
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Tech Blog | Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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I don't need to be. I've seen them.... ;P
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Tech Blog | Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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sometimes i thought to myself, for one to be really good programmer, you need to be unemployed. To get away from daily fire fighting, the long hours, the politics. Is it true, best programmers are generally unemployed? (I know one thing they can't be behind bars)
dev
devvvy wrote:
Is it true, best programmers are generally unemployed?
No. There are good and bad programmers who are unemployed. There are good and bad programmers who are employed.
Kevin
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I think it's obvious. If you're good, you will be in demand.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
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digital man wrote:
a really good programmer will never be unemployed unless they choose to be.
In ideal world :) Unfortunatelly, I know some really good programmers who had hard time finding a job - they were not very good at marketing their skills.
Hows about this twisted logic: If you're not good at marketing, you're not good at communicating. If you're not good at communicating, you're never going to understand the user. If you can't understand the user, you're not a very good programmer. Ergo, they're not good programmers.
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I think it's obvious. If you're good, you will be in demand.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
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Hows about this twisted logic: If you're not good at marketing, you're not good at communicating. If you're not good at communicating, you're never going to understand the user. If you can't understand the user, you're not a very good programmer. Ergo, they're not good programmers.
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Hows about this twisted logic: If you're not good at marketing, you're not good at communicating. If you're not good at communicating, you're never going to understand the user. If you can't understand the user, you're not a very good programmer. Ergo, they're not good programmers.
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You are right. It is a twisted logic :)
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Oh go on then. Try here[^], for a start (you missed this years event, but just hanging around the group mailing list is enough to start anyone learning. Most of the C++ Standards Committee hang around there, for a start. And how many web forums do you know that have a "compiler writers mentored learning group"...?). You can of course do the same here on CP, if you take the effort to step back from the code and learn the right techniques to improve how you do things rather than just staying in the IDE and coding. I would say however that even with 15 years commercial experience (and 8 years of being here, at that) I still didn't learn how to (for example) apply TDD and agile methods effectively until I got involved with ACCU 2 years ago. See? no unemployment necessary. :)
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Tech Blog | Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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sometimes i thought to myself, for one to be really good programmer, you need to be unemployed. To get away from daily fire fighting, the long hours, the politics. Is it true, best programmers are generally unemployed? (I know one thing they can't be behind bars)
dev
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Oh go on then. Try here[^], for a start (you missed this years event, but just hanging around the group mailing list is enough to start anyone learning. Most of the C++ Standards Committee hang around there, for a start. And how many web forums do you know that have a "compiler writers mentored learning group"...?). You can of course do the same here on CP, if you take the effort to step back from the code and learn the right techniques to improve how you do things rather than just staying in the IDE and coding. I would say however that even with 15 years commercial experience (and 8 years of being here, at that) I still didn't learn how to (for example) apply TDD and agile methods effectively until I got involved with ACCU 2 years ago. See? no unemployment necessary. :)
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Tech Blog | Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
but you're redefining unemployment and confusing it with not-having-nothin-todo. that said, work is keeping me awake far too many hours than i should be, falling behind in certain places (WCF JSON to be specific... at the moment).kept thinking i want to spend a few hours trying out EasyHook just never get the chance. i'm a tired man, beaten down and tired.
dev
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No. You might care to think about being a software engineer instead of a programmer though.
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sometimes i thought to myself, for one to be really good programmer, you need to be unemployed. To get away from daily fire fighting, the long hours, the politics. Is it true, best programmers are generally unemployed? (I know one thing they can't be behind bars)
dev
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but you're redefining unemployment and confusing it with not-having-nothin-todo. that said, work is keeping me awake far too many hours than i should be, falling behind in certain places (WCF JSON to be specific... at the moment).kept thinking i want to spend a few hours trying out EasyHook just never get the chance. i'm a tired man, beaten down and tired.
dev
And you think I wasn't working when I was learning? I run my own company, and believe me it's easily a 60 hour a week job keeping on top of everything... Prior to that I was working full time and learning. No different other than shorter hours, really. If you are tired, you may want to take a step back and look at how your day runs. I've found a decent diet, regular exercise (I run for at least half an hour most days) and better time management makes up for a lot. Even with 2 hrs of commuting a day (which I don't have to do now, thankfully) I was still able to keep learning at quite a rate. If I can do that while coping with a (very regular, unfortunately) 3 day migraine once a month, I'm sure you can find a way somehow. :)
Anna :rose: Having a bad bug day? Tech Blog | Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"