Stunning!
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Oakman wrote:
Boney, this is simply a new name for what Bush was doing.
What a bloody dishonest fool. Bush was fighting a war ... against foreigners ... while also needing to keep liars and cynics (you know, like you) from getting too restive. The Dems are pretending to fight crime. "Criminals" don't have to be foreigners. And, apparently, now "criminals" will not need to have done any "crime."
Actually that's a great point. Would have had better effect on target without the added bile though.
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Oakman wrote:
why is it a problem now?
because it shows him to be a fucking hypocrite.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
because it shows him to be a f***ing hypocrite.
I disagree. Changing your mind and admitting it isn't being hypocritical, but realistic. Changing your mind and then claiming you didn't, like Pelosi, is what makes a hypocrite, imho. I remember Everitt Dirksen (Republican Minority Leader, maybe before your time) saying "Whenever I felt the heat; I saw the light." As president, Obama is feeling the heat in a way that the candidate never did.
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BoneSoft wrote:
The whole reason this was note-worthy to me was that Madcow caught it, acknowledged it for what it was, and criticized it. I
Oh I think that more and more you'll see the far left screaming that Obama is a phoney. He will get a little of the taste of the medicine that was given to those who ran against him both as Dems and Reps. Though I doubt the vitriol will get as bad as it did with Palin.
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No doubt, on all accounts, but I would have expected Madcow to be the very last holdout, after Oprah and Olberman... And maybe Putin, since Lenin's gone and can't weigh in. This is Madcow we're talking about! I doubt she can order a cheeseburger at the drive through without throwing in a few shots at Bush, or Republicans in general. She is the quintessential party line media extremist. She's what Bill Mahr hopes to some day grow up to be, if he can only find the courage to chop off his balls. Still, I understood why Bush did it. Might not have agreed with it, but I couldn't picture your average US citizen coming up against the consequences. Now, with this maniac, I can't say the same.
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Oakman wrote:
Boney, this is simply a new name for what Bush was doing.
What a bloody dishonest fool. Bush was fighting a war ... against foreigners ... while also needing to keep liars and cynics (you know, like you) from getting too restive. The Dems are pretending to fight crime. "Criminals" don't have to be foreigners. And, apparently, now "criminals" will not need to have done any "crime."
Ilíon wrote:
The Dems are pretending to fight crime. "Criminals" don't have to be foreigners. And, apparently, now "criminals" will not need to have done any "crime."
It's obvious that you know as much about what Obama said as CSS knows about Executive Orders of the sixties. It was quite clear to those with eyes to read or ears to hear that Obama was talking about the Guantanamo detainees. Taking what he said and suggesting that it would apply to prisoners taken in battle from here on out would be a stretch of imagination of the kind only you and CSS are capable of. Suggesting that he would violate the Bill of Rights by denying citizens to a far and speedy trial is the stuff of psychotic paranoid nightmares.
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No doubt, on all accounts, but I would have expected Madcow to be the very last holdout, after Oprah and Olberman... And maybe Putin, since Lenin's gone and can't weigh in. This is Madcow we're talking about! I doubt she can order a cheeseburger at the drive through without throwing in a few shots at Bush, or Republicans in general. She is the quintessential party line media extremist. She's what Bill Mahr hopes to some day grow up to be, if he can only find the courage to chop off his balls. Still, I understood why Bush did it. Might not have agreed with it, but I couldn't picture your average US citizen coming up against the consequences. Now, with this maniac, I can't say the same.
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BoneSoft wrote:
She is the quintessential party line media extremist.
I think she's rather more like Stan. No real party affiliation at all; just an ideolog who would rather see the Democrats lose than compromise their belief system. Anything that Bush or Obama did or does that moves them towards the center is anathema to her. If the Democrats lose in 2010, as I devoutly hope they will, she will, again like a mirror-image of Stan, shrilly announce it is because the Dems weren't true to their liberal principles.
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You do realize that Madcow doesn't represent all liberals, right? Cuz I understand the distinction, and was only talking about Madcow. Do I not fit your unrealistic cardboard cutout stereotype of non-liberals?
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BoneSoft wrote:
You do realize that Maddow doesn't represent all liberals, right?
I couldn't be sure you realized that. But you did apply your unrealistic sterotype to Maddow.
BoneSoft wrote:
Do I not fit your unrealistic cardboard cutout stereotype of non-liberals?
No.
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Ilíon wrote:
The Dems are pretending to fight crime. "Criminals" don't have to be foreigners. And, apparently, now "criminals" will not need to have done any "crime."
It's obvious that you know as much about what Obama said as CSS knows about Executive Orders of the sixties. It was quite clear to those with eyes to read or ears to hear that Obama was talking about the Guantanamo detainees. Taking what he said and suggesting that it would apply to prisoners taken in battle from here on out would be a stretch of imagination of the kind only you and CSS are capable of. Suggesting that he would violate the Bill of Rights by denying citizens to a far and speedy trial is the stuff of psychotic paranoid nightmares.
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Oakman wrote:
Suggesting that he would violate the Bill of Rights by denying citizens to a far and speedy trial is the stuff of psychotic paranoid nightmares.
I dunno, it doesn't seem like that big of a stretch to me. He would be perfectly happy violating the Bill or Rights by denying citizens the right to bare arms if the opportunity presented itself. He's more than happy to deny babies the right to life, much less liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And if he had any respect for the Constitution whatsoever, he never would have run for prez in the first place. I hope you're right, but I'm not so sure. And when Madcow, of all people, stops and says "what the...", I gotta wonder.
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BoneSoft wrote:
You do realize that Maddow doesn't represent all liberals, right?
I couldn't be sure you realized that. But you did apply your unrealistic sterotype to Maddow.
BoneSoft wrote:
Do I not fit your unrealistic cardboard cutout stereotype of non-liberals?
No.
oilFactotum wrote:
I couldn't be sure you realized that.
Because you don't listen with an open mind. I'm fully encased in your stereotype.
oilFactotum wrote:
But you did apply your unrealistic sterotype to Maddow.
What stereotype?!? There is no stereotype. I've seen the bitch. I simply stated HOW SHE IS!!! Come on oily, be a man. Just once you can say it. Can't you? Once? You were ... Starts with a "w", ends with a "rong"?
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BoneSoft wrote:
She is the quintessential party line media extremist.
I think she's rather more like Stan. No real party affiliation at all; just an ideolog who would rather see the Democrats lose than compromise their belief system. Anything that Bush or Obama did or does that moves them towards the center is anathema to her. If the Democrats lose in 2010, as I devoutly hope they will, she will, again like a mirror-image of Stan, shrilly announce it is because the Dems weren't true to their liberal principles.
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Maybe so. All I've ever seen seemed to me to be a strict devotion to the party line, no room for thought or logic, just receive the daily propaganda points and shovel them on to the masses. It seems to me that the only personal contribution she makes is her own brand of snide condescension to all things 'right', with heaps of barely FCC approved Bush-bashing thrown in the mix. I have a hard time picturing here with principles, but I suppose anything's possible. If that is the case, I'd really like to understand what those principals are.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
because it shows him to be a f***ing hypocrite.
I disagree. Changing your mind and admitting it isn't being hypocritical, but realistic. Changing your mind and then claiming you didn't, like Pelosi, is what makes a hypocrite, imho. I remember Everitt Dirksen (Republican Minority Leader, maybe before your time) saying "Whenever I felt the heat; I saw the light." As president, Obama is feeling the heat in a way that the candidate never did.
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Oakman wrote:
Changing your mind and admitting it isn't being hypocritical, but realistic. Changing your mind and then claiming you didn't, like Pelosi, is what makes a hypocrite, imho.
How about changing your mind, and instead of admitting it, criticize the original some more and making up a whole new thing that's exactly the same. That's just a sneaking deceitful way of claiming you didn't change your mind. Don't ya think?
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Oakman wrote:
Changing your mind and admitting it isn't being hypocritical, but realistic. Changing your mind and then claiming you didn't, like Pelosi, is what makes a hypocrite, imho.
How about changing your mind, and instead of admitting it, criticize the original some more and making up a whole new thing that's exactly the same. That's just a sneaking deceitful way of claiming you didn't change your mind. Don't ya think?
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BoneSoft wrote:
How about changing your mind, and instead of admitting it,
Boney, he made the right decision. You can speculate and impugn his motives all you want, but it comes down to he made the right decision. Ultimately, I don't care why he did something or how machiavellian some folks think he's being. When he makes the right decisions (imho) I'm glad; when he doesn't, I'm pissed. Since I don't imagine this was the first time you've noticed a candidate promising one thing and then delivering another, we're back to so why is it different when he does it?
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Maybe so. All I've ever seen seemed to me to be a strict devotion to the party line, no room for thought or logic, just receive the daily propaganda points and shovel them on to the masses. It seems to me that the only personal contribution she makes is her own brand of snide condescension to all things 'right', with heaps of barely FCC approved Bush-bashing thrown in the mix. I have a hard time picturing here with principles, but I suppose anything's possible. If that is the case, I'd really like to understand what those principals are.
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BoneSoft wrote:
If that is the case, I'd really like to understand what those principals are
One man's principle are another man's party-line. As near as i can tell, you are saying the woman is a Democratic hack who says whatever the party wishes on the one hand and then lauding her for standing up to Obama's change of policy. make up you mind. Is she an unthinking Dem, or an unthinking Lib?
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BoneSoft wrote:
How about changing your mind, and instead of admitting it,
Boney, he made the right decision. You can speculate and impugn his motives all you want, but it comes down to he made the right decision. Ultimately, I don't care why he did something or how machiavellian some folks think he's being. When he makes the right decisions (imho) I'm glad; when he doesn't, I'm pissed. Since I don't imagine this was the first time you've noticed a candidate promising one thing and then delivering another, we're back to so why is it different when he does it?
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Oakman wrote:
why is it different when he does it?
where do I sign up to be an apologist?
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BoneSoft wrote:
If that is the case, I'd really like to understand what those principals are
One man's principle are another man's party-line. As near as i can tell, you are saying the woman is a Democratic hack who says whatever the party wishes on the one hand and then lauding her for standing up to Obama's change of policy. make up you mind. Is she an unthinking Dem, or an unthinking Lib?
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That's the point! I don't know what she is now. This was stunning, I believe I mentioned. If Obama had all non-dems in congress taken outside and immediately shot Saddam style, I would have expected her of all people to defend him. I'm trying to determine what she is. Whatever it is, I'm pretty sure it's wrong, but I don't know what she is.
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BoneSoft wrote:
How about changing your mind, and instead of admitting it,
Boney, he made the right decision. You can speculate and impugn his motives all you want, but it comes down to he made the right decision. Ultimately, I don't care why he did something or how machiavellian some folks think he's being. When he makes the right decisions (imho) I'm glad; when he doesn't, I'm pissed. Since I don't imagine this was the first time you've noticed a candidate promising one thing and then delivering another, we're back to so why is it different when he does it?
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OK, politicians will be politicians. I can agree with that. But I don't think we should ever accept it. I guess it's elicited such a response partly because some of us want to see the bobble-headed doe-eyed masses finally catch a glimpse of reality, which can't happen when he so smoothly tip toes around his phukups (un-Peloci-esquely). And partly because some of us genuinely see some spark of nefarious intent in the man, not just another democrat in office for 4 more years of forever indestructible socialist entitlements to be a drain on all future generation. Maybe it's irrational, maybe not, but there it is.
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Oakman wrote:
why is it different when he does it?
where do I sign up to be an apologist?
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
where do I sign up to be an apologist?
You don't need to apologise to me, Mike. I don't take offense easily. ;)
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
where do I sign up to be an apologist?
You don't need to apologise to me, Mike. I don't take offense easily. ;)
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Oakman wrote:
You don't need to apologise to me, Mike. I don't take offense easily.
ok, gotta give you props for that one.
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I hope this isn't a repost, I haven't been hanging around too much lately. But I totally missed it until somebody sent it to me... Uhbama's "sustained detention"[^] Now, the fact that he would propose such a thing isn't stunning in the least. Frightening, but not stunning. However, the fact that Rachel Madcow would call him on it, truly is stunning. Coming from the most flamingly liberal pinko commie Bush-bashing media whore ever to tow the party line, this is serious. It's now obvious that our government isn't even a shell of what it once was any more. It's too big, self important, and free to do as it pleases with no regard for the people. We need to figure out what all derailed it, scrap it completely, and start over clean again.
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That is quite chilling. It reminds me of when the, now very old, National Party government implemented detention without trial for dissidents during my high school years.
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oilFactotum wrote:
I couldn't be sure you realized that.
Because you don't listen with an open mind. I'm fully encased in your stereotype.
oilFactotum wrote:
But you did apply your unrealistic sterotype to Maddow.
What stereotype?!? There is no stereotype. I've seen the bitch. I simply stated HOW SHE IS!!! Come on oily, be a man. Just once you can say it. Can't you? Once? You were ... Starts with a "w", ends with a "rong"?
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oilFactotum wrote:
BoneSoft wrote: Do I not fit your unrealistic cardboard cutout stereotype of non-liberals? No.
BoneSoft wrote:
I'm fully encased in your stereotype.
Clearly, the person who is not listening is you. :rolleyes:
BoneSoft wrote:
What stereotype?!?
BoneSoft wrote:
this is world shattering. This is like Hitler bitching about Iran's treatment of the Jews, or Chavez calling Castro a pinko commie blood soaked prick. Hell hath frozen over. ...Maddow to be the very last holdout ... And maybe Putin, since Lenin's gone
Let's see Maddow ... Hilter ... Chavez ... Castro ... Putin ... Lenin. All extremely unrealistic. X|
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Oakman wrote:
You don't need to apologise to me, Mike. I don't take offense easily.
ok, gotta give you props for that one.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
ok, gotta give you props for that one.
Well, at least we make sense to each other some of the time, right?
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