Rise of right wingism in Europe, and even the UK too.
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As you are probably aware the right wing parties have made some gains in the EU elections. Austria, Holland and the UK particularly. (France has always had a strong far right, the FN (Front National) came second to Chirac in the run offs some years back for example). Belgium, too, the Vlamms Belang (ex Vlamms Bloc, originally Nazi sympathisers) have somehting like 30% of the vote in Vlanderen. If Flanders wasnt joined to the French speaking Wallonia then it would be an extremist right wing country. If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere. So all those who thought Europe was a socialist basket case you now know there is also a very strong conservative mentality too. One could almost say that at state level Europe is socialist, with job protection, benefits and so on, but at a personal level the people are quite rightwing. Some very. How this will pan out I dont know, but I do know the Dutch are getting seriously pissed off with Islam. Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another. The killing of Van Gogh and Pin Fortyne are pushing people further against Islam too. The Dutch are all about freedom. So on the one hand they are tollerant of foreign cultures, but if those culture then show intolerabce, as is the case, they are no longer accepted. The UK seems to be trying to burry its head in the sand. The Queen, banning the BNP member from being invited to her garden party! How the hell does she have the right to display politicised sentiments publicly? If it wasnt the BNP her actions would have been called illegal! While the BNP is a bit of a joke, linked to Combat18, the skinhead group, perhaps it is time to start taking it seriously. As its European cousins are being.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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As you are probably aware the right wing parties have made some gains in the EU elections. Austria, Holland and the UK particularly. (France has always had a strong far right, the FN (Front National) came second to Chirac in the run offs some years back for example). Belgium, too, the Vlamms Belang (ex Vlamms Bloc, originally Nazi sympathisers) have somehting like 30% of the vote in Vlanderen. If Flanders wasnt joined to the French speaking Wallonia then it would be an extremist right wing country. If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere. So all those who thought Europe was a socialist basket case you now know there is also a very strong conservative mentality too. One could almost say that at state level Europe is socialist, with job protection, benefits and so on, but at a personal level the people are quite rightwing. Some very. How this will pan out I dont know, but I do know the Dutch are getting seriously pissed off with Islam. Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another. The killing of Van Gogh and Pin Fortyne are pushing people further against Islam too. The Dutch are all about freedom. So on the one hand they are tollerant of foreign cultures, but if those culture then show intolerabce, as is the case, they are no longer accepted. The UK seems to be trying to burry its head in the sand. The Queen, banning the BNP member from being invited to her garden party! How the hell does she have the right to display politicised sentiments publicly? If it wasnt the BNP her actions would have been called illegal! While the BNP is a bit of a joke, linked to Combat18, the skinhead group, perhaps it is time to start taking it seriously. As its European cousins are being.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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As you are probably aware the right wing parties have made some gains in the EU elections. Austria, Holland and the UK particularly. (France has always had a strong far right, the FN (Front National) came second to Chirac in the run offs some years back for example). Belgium, too, the Vlamms Belang (ex Vlamms Bloc, originally Nazi sympathisers) have somehting like 30% of the vote in Vlanderen. If Flanders wasnt joined to the French speaking Wallonia then it would be an extremist right wing country. If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere. So all those who thought Europe was a socialist basket case you now know there is also a very strong conservative mentality too. One could almost say that at state level Europe is socialist, with job protection, benefits and so on, but at a personal level the people are quite rightwing. Some very. How this will pan out I dont know, but I do know the Dutch are getting seriously pissed off with Islam. Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another. The killing of Van Gogh and Pin Fortyne are pushing people further against Islam too. The Dutch are all about freedom. So on the one hand they are tollerant of foreign cultures, but if those culture then show intolerabce, as is the case, they are no longer accepted. The UK seems to be trying to burry its head in the sand. The Queen, banning the BNP member from being invited to her garden party! How the hell does she have the right to display politicised sentiments publicly? If it wasnt the BNP her actions would have been called illegal! While the BNP is a bit of a joke, linked to Combat18, the skinhead group, perhaps it is time to start taking it seriously. As its European cousins are being.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
TO correct a point: The BNP weren't banned. There was some controversy about their presence, so Nick Griffin decided to not go. However, the BNP councillor on the London Assembly is attending.
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As you are probably aware the right wing parties have made some gains in the EU elections. Austria, Holland and the UK particularly. (France has always had a strong far right, the FN (Front National) came second to Chirac in the run offs some years back for example). Belgium, too, the Vlamms Belang (ex Vlamms Bloc, originally Nazi sympathisers) have somehting like 30% of the vote in Vlanderen. If Flanders wasnt joined to the French speaking Wallonia then it would be an extremist right wing country. If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere. So all those who thought Europe was a socialist basket case you now know there is also a very strong conservative mentality too. One could almost say that at state level Europe is socialist, with job protection, benefits and so on, but at a personal level the people are quite rightwing. Some very. How this will pan out I dont know, but I do know the Dutch are getting seriously pissed off with Islam. Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another. The killing of Van Gogh and Pin Fortyne are pushing people further against Islam too. The Dutch are all about freedom. So on the one hand they are tollerant of foreign cultures, but if those culture then show intolerabce, as is the case, they are no longer accepted. The UK seems to be trying to burry its head in the sand. The Queen, banning the BNP member from being invited to her garden party! How the hell does she have the right to display politicised sentiments publicly? If it wasnt the BNP her actions would have been called illegal! While the BNP is a bit of a joke, linked to Combat18, the skinhead group, perhaps it is time to start taking it seriously. As its European cousins are being.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
The Queen, banning the BNP member from being invited to her garden party!
Is Richard Barnbrook not going then? I read that Nick Griffin (apparently Richard's significant other) had decided not to attend. Pity, they make a lovely couple[^]. (The Queen meets any old scum that diplomacy requires her to, Nick is nothing to the mass murderers she has had to dine with.)
Bob Emmett
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As you are probably aware the right wing parties have made some gains in the EU elections. Austria, Holland and the UK particularly. (France has always had a strong far right, the FN (Front National) came second to Chirac in the run offs some years back for example). Belgium, too, the Vlamms Belang (ex Vlamms Bloc, originally Nazi sympathisers) have somehting like 30% of the vote in Vlanderen. If Flanders wasnt joined to the French speaking Wallonia then it would be an extremist right wing country. If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere. So all those who thought Europe was a socialist basket case you now know there is also a very strong conservative mentality too. One could almost say that at state level Europe is socialist, with job protection, benefits and so on, but at a personal level the people are quite rightwing. Some very. How this will pan out I dont know, but I do know the Dutch are getting seriously pissed off with Islam. Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another. The killing of Van Gogh and Pin Fortyne are pushing people further against Islam too. The Dutch are all about freedom. So on the one hand they are tollerant of foreign cultures, but if those culture then show intolerabce, as is the case, they are no longer accepted. The UK seems to be trying to burry its head in the sand. The Queen, banning the BNP member from being invited to her garden party! How the hell does she have the right to display politicised sentiments publicly? If it wasnt the BNP her actions would have been called illegal! While the BNP is a bit of a joke, linked to Combat18, the skinhead group, perhaps it is time to start taking it seriously. As its European cousins are being.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Really interesting. US of A becoming more Marxist than Russia while Europe displays a high degree of intelligience.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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As you are probably aware the right wing parties have made some gains in the EU elections. Austria, Holland and the UK particularly. (France has always had a strong far right, the FN (Front National) came second to Chirac in the run offs some years back for example). Belgium, too, the Vlamms Belang (ex Vlamms Bloc, originally Nazi sympathisers) have somehting like 30% of the vote in Vlanderen. If Flanders wasnt joined to the French speaking Wallonia then it would be an extremist right wing country. If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere. So all those who thought Europe was a socialist basket case you now know there is also a very strong conservative mentality too. One could almost say that at state level Europe is socialist, with job protection, benefits and so on, but at a personal level the people are quite rightwing. Some very. How this will pan out I dont know, but I do know the Dutch are getting seriously pissed off with Islam. Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another. The killing of Van Gogh and Pin Fortyne are pushing people further against Islam too. The Dutch are all about freedom. So on the one hand they are tollerant of foreign cultures, but if those culture then show intolerabce, as is the case, they are no longer accepted. The UK seems to be trying to burry its head in the sand. The Queen, banning the BNP member from being invited to her garden party! How the hell does she have the right to display politicised sentiments publicly? If it wasnt the BNP her actions would have been called illegal! While the BNP is a bit of a joke, linked to Combat18, the skinhead group, perhaps it is time to start taking it seriously. As its European cousins are being.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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As you are probably aware the right wing parties have made some gains in the EU elections. Austria, Holland and the UK particularly. (France has always had a strong far right, the FN (Front National) came second to Chirac in the run offs some years back for example). Belgium, too, the Vlamms Belang (ex Vlamms Bloc, originally Nazi sympathisers) have somehting like 30% of the vote in Vlanderen. If Flanders wasnt joined to the French speaking Wallonia then it would be an extremist right wing country. If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere. So all those who thought Europe was a socialist basket case you now know there is also a very strong conservative mentality too. One could almost say that at state level Europe is socialist, with job protection, benefits and so on, but at a personal level the people are quite rightwing. Some very. How this will pan out I dont know, but I do know the Dutch are getting seriously pissed off with Islam. Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another. The killing of Van Gogh and Pin Fortyne are pushing people further against Islam too. The Dutch are all about freedom. So on the one hand they are tollerant of foreign cultures, but if those culture then show intolerabce, as is the case, they are no longer accepted. The UK seems to be trying to burry its head in the sand. The Queen, banning the BNP member from being invited to her garden party! How the hell does she have the right to display politicised sentiments publicly? If it wasnt the BNP her actions would have been called illegal! While the BNP is a bit of a joke, linked to Combat18, the skinhead group, perhaps it is time to start taking it seriously. As its European cousins are being.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
If it wasnt for Germanys history, ...
That's the reason why the far-right is reviled. The world has seen what extreamism is capable of; this applies to Communists as well. My in-laws lived through both Nazi and Communist governments and they were both as bad as each other.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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As you are probably aware the right wing parties have made some gains in the EU elections. Austria, Holland and the UK particularly. (France has always had a strong far right, the FN (Front National) came second to Chirac in the run offs some years back for example). Belgium, too, the Vlamms Belang (ex Vlamms Bloc, originally Nazi sympathisers) have somehting like 30% of the vote in Vlanderen. If Flanders wasnt joined to the French speaking Wallonia then it would be an extremist right wing country. If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere. So all those who thought Europe was a socialist basket case you now know there is also a very strong conservative mentality too. One could almost say that at state level Europe is socialist, with job protection, benefits and so on, but at a personal level the people are quite rightwing. Some very. How this will pan out I dont know, but I do know the Dutch are getting seriously pissed off with Islam. Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another. The killing of Van Gogh and Pin Fortyne are pushing people further against Islam too. The Dutch are all about freedom. So on the one hand they are tollerant of foreign cultures, but if those culture then show intolerabce, as is the case, they are no longer accepted. The UK seems to be trying to burry its head in the sand. The Queen, banning the BNP member from being invited to her garden party! How the hell does she have the right to display politicised sentiments publicly? If it wasnt the BNP her actions would have been called illegal! While the BNP is a bit of a joke, linked to Combat18, the skinhead group, perhaps it is time to start taking it seriously. As its European cousins are being.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
How the hell does she have the right to display politicised sentiments publicly?
She doesn't. The monarch is always apolitical and shows no approval or disapproval of any political party howsoever agreeable or obnoxious they are. Regarding UK, the left or centre-left have got something of an electoral kicking, this is not surprising considering how unpopular the Labour administration have made themselves, recent parliamentary shenanigans and credit crunch notwithstanding. It is arguable that they have become stale having been in power far too long.
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As you are probably aware the right wing parties have made some gains in the EU elections. Austria, Holland and the UK particularly. (France has always had a strong far right, the FN (Front National) came second to Chirac in the run offs some years back for example). Belgium, too, the Vlamms Belang (ex Vlamms Bloc, originally Nazi sympathisers) have somehting like 30% of the vote in Vlanderen. If Flanders wasnt joined to the French speaking Wallonia then it would be an extremist right wing country. If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere. So all those who thought Europe was a socialist basket case you now know there is also a very strong conservative mentality too. One could almost say that at state level Europe is socialist, with job protection, benefits and so on, but at a personal level the people are quite rightwing. Some very. How this will pan out I dont know, but I do know the Dutch are getting seriously pissed off with Islam. Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another. The killing of Van Gogh and Pin Fortyne are pushing people further against Islam too. The Dutch are all about freedom. So on the one hand they are tollerant of foreign cultures, but if those culture then show intolerabce, as is the case, they are no longer accepted. The UK seems to be trying to burry its head in the sand. The Queen, banning the BNP member from being invited to her garden party! How the hell does she have the right to display politicised sentiments publicly? If it wasnt the BNP her actions would have been called illegal! While the BNP is a bit of a joke, linked to Combat18, the skinhead group, perhaps it is time to start taking it seriously. As its European cousins are being.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Given how badly the parties in power have screwed up, it's not surprising that - just as in the U.S. in 2008 - they are being tossed out on their ear. I suspect that a large number of people vote (here and where you live) on the basis of "throw the bums out." Politicians, like Obama, who saw this in time were able to capitalize on it with slogans like "Change you can believe in." Assuming that this signals the rise of a Nazi-like far right over there, or a Marxist-style far-left over here may be seeing a tempest in a teapot. For the first time ever, today a poll[^] was out showing that less than half of all Americans approve of Obama's handling of America's finances. Western Democracies on both sides of the puddle have a long tradition of the peaceful revolution called elections and while Europe (and, to some extent, America) have shown a fatal fascination with the overly-strong leader-type, ultimately even the Napoleons, and Mussolinis are given their comeuppance.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Given how badly the parties in power have screwed up, it's not surprising that - just as in the U.S. in 2008 - they are being tossed out on their ear. I suspect that a large number of people vote (here and where you live) on the basis of "throw the bums out." Politicians, like Obama, who saw this in time were able to capitalize on it with slogans like "Change you can believe in." Assuming that this signals the rise of a Nazi-like far right over there, or a Marxist-style far-left over here may be seeing a tempest in a teapot. For the first time ever, today a poll[^] was out showing that less than half of all Americans approve of Obama's handling of America's finances. Western Democracies on both sides of the puddle have a long tradition of the peaceful revolution called elections and while Europe (and, to some extent, America) have shown a fatal fascination with the overly-strong leader-type, ultimately even the Napoleons, and Mussolinis are given their comeuppance.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
tempest in a teapot
Most probably. I dont think we will see the likes of Franco, Hitler, or Mussolini again for the very reason that we are stil standing in the shadows they cast over Europe. In fact, and I am quite sure if this, their very existence has limited the success of the far right in the last 60 years and for this reason we have been more liberal than we would otherwise have been. I think now a ruly post war generation has the reins of power the memory of those dictators is no longer present, and hence re-interest in far right politics.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Given how badly the parties in power have screwed up, it's not surprising that - just as in the U.S. in 2008 - they are being tossed out on their ear. I suspect that a large number of people vote (here and where you live) on the basis of "throw the bums out." Politicians, like Obama, who saw this in time were able to capitalize on it with slogans like "Change you can believe in." Assuming that this signals the rise of a Nazi-like far right over there, or a Marxist-style far-left over here may be seeing a tempest in a teapot. For the first time ever, today a poll[^] was out showing that less than half of all Americans approve of Obama's handling of America's finances. Western Democracies on both sides of the puddle have a long tradition of the peaceful revolution called elections and while Europe (and, to some extent, America) have shown a fatal fascination with the overly-strong leader-type, ultimately even the Napoleons, and Mussolinis are given their comeuppance.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Given how badly the parties in power have screwed up, it's not surprising that - just as in the U.S. in 2008 - they are being tossed out on their ear. I suspect that a large number of people vote (here and where you live) on the basis of "throw the bums out." Politicians, like Obama, who saw this in time were able to capitalize on it with slogans like "Change you can believe in." Assuming that this signals the rise of a Nazi-like far right over there, or a Marxist-style far-left over here may be seeing a tempest in a teapot. For the first time ever, today a poll[^] was out showing that less than half of all Americans approve of Obama's handling of America's finances. Western Democracies on both sides of the puddle have a long tradition of the peaceful revolution called elections and while Europe (and, to some extent, America) have shown a fatal fascination with the overly-strong leader-type, ultimately even the Napoleons, and Mussolinis are given their comeuppance.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
fatal fascination with the overly-strong leader-type
yes, we all yearn for the return of Jimmy Carter - it was so much better then.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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As you are probably aware the right wing parties have made some gains in the EU elections. Austria, Holland and the UK particularly. (France has always had a strong far right, the FN (Front National) came second to Chirac in the run offs some years back for example). Belgium, too, the Vlamms Belang (ex Vlamms Bloc, originally Nazi sympathisers) have somehting like 30% of the vote in Vlanderen. If Flanders wasnt joined to the French speaking Wallonia then it would be an extremist right wing country. If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere. So all those who thought Europe was a socialist basket case you now know there is also a very strong conservative mentality too. One could almost say that at state level Europe is socialist, with job protection, benefits and so on, but at a personal level the people are quite rightwing. Some very. How this will pan out I dont know, but I do know the Dutch are getting seriously pissed off with Islam. Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another. The killing of Van Gogh and Pin Fortyne are pushing people further against Islam too. The Dutch are all about freedom. So on the one hand they are tollerant of foreign cultures, but if those culture then show intolerabce, as is the case, they are no longer accepted. The UK seems to be trying to burry its head in the sand. The Queen, banning the BNP member from being invited to her garden party! How the hell does she have the right to display politicised sentiments publicly? If it wasnt the BNP her actions would have been called illegal! While the BNP is a bit of a joke, linked to Combat18, the skinhead group, perhaps it is time to start taking it seriously. As its European cousins are being.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere.
Which is unfortunate and has always bothered me. I guess most people want big complicated things boiled down to a bare minimum for them to base an opinion on. i.e. Nazi = right wing, racism, swastika, toothbrush mustache. Nazi Germany was every bit leftist as it was right wing. They didn't fit right or left actually. They themselves pointed that out, describing themselves as the "third way", being anti-Marxist and anti-capitalist. Nationalistic (right) Socialist (left) Dictatorial (left) Not capitalist (right) nor communist (left) Government controlled media (left) Extensive welfare (left) Institutional (left) racism (right) Insuring a minimal living standard for citizens (left) Compulsory membership in Hitler Youth Org (leftish) The VW Bug (decidedly left ;P ) [the hitlarious thing is that it was designed to be a vehicle of war] Though it was every bit as left as it was right, and actually primarily left wing internally, the worst of it's externalized philosophies were right wing. Right wing ideology, left wing application. But the right wing got the bad and unjust rap along with the toothbrush mustache. "How fortunate for governments that the people they govern don't think." -- Adolph Hitler
fat_boy wrote:
Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another.
One mans Mexican is another mans Morocan.
Visit BoneSoft.com for code generation tools (XML & XSD -> C#, VB, etc...) and some free developer tools as well.
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fat_boy wrote:
If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere.
Which is unfortunate and has always bothered me. I guess most people want big complicated things boiled down to a bare minimum for them to base an opinion on. i.e. Nazi = right wing, racism, swastika, toothbrush mustache. Nazi Germany was every bit leftist as it was right wing. They didn't fit right or left actually. They themselves pointed that out, describing themselves as the "third way", being anti-Marxist and anti-capitalist. Nationalistic (right) Socialist (left) Dictatorial (left) Not capitalist (right) nor communist (left) Government controlled media (left) Extensive welfare (left) Institutional (left) racism (right) Insuring a minimal living standard for citizens (left) Compulsory membership in Hitler Youth Org (leftish) The VW Bug (decidedly left ;P ) [the hitlarious thing is that it was designed to be a vehicle of war] Though it was every bit as left as it was right, and actually primarily left wing internally, the worst of it's externalized philosophies were right wing. Right wing ideology, left wing application. But the right wing got the bad and unjust rap along with the toothbrush mustache. "How fortunate for governments that the people they govern don't think." -- Adolph Hitler
fat_boy wrote:
Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another.
One mans Mexican is another mans Morocan.
Visit BoneSoft.com for code generation tools (XML & XSD -> C#, VB, etc...) and some free developer tools as well.
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Oakman wrote:
fatal fascination with the overly-strong leader-type
yes, we all yearn for the return of Jimmy Carter - it was so much better then.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
we all yearn for the return of Jimmy Carter
Isn't it conceivable that there might be a middle ground? Reagan, for instance, or Bush the First. I klnow they were too left-wing for Stan but for you, too?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
we all yearn for the return of Jimmy Carter
Isn't it conceivable that there might be a middle ground? Reagan, for instance, or Bush the First. I klnow they were too left-wing for Stan but for you, too?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Anymore, I'll be perfectly happy to have any ol' American. Especially one who understands why there should be limits and boundaries. And one who acknowledged the existence and rights of those who didn't vote for him would be nice too. Hell, after this maniac, I'd even be fat dumb and happy with another Clinton (just not the Clinton that ran last go-round).
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect." - Mark Twain "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you can find a rock." - Mark Twain "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man." - Mark Twain "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
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fat_boy wrote:
If it wasnt for Germanys history, I am sure the far right would be more prevelant there, and I am sure generally that if it wasnt for GErmanys history the far right would be more prevelant everywhere.
Which is unfortunate and has always bothered me. I guess most people want big complicated things boiled down to a bare minimum for them to base an opinion on. i.e. Nazi = right wing, racism, swastika, toothbrush mustache. Nazi Germany was every bit leftist as it was right wing. They didn't fit right or left actually. They themselves pointed that out, describing themselves as the "third way", being anti-Marxist and anti-capitalist. Nationalistic (right) Socialist (left) Dictatorial (left) Not capitalist (right) nor communist (left) Government controlled media (left) Extensive welfare (left) Institutional (left) racism (right) Insuring a minimal living standard for citizens (left) Compulsory membership in Hitler Youth Org (leftish) The VW Bug (decidedly left ;P ) [the hitlarious thing is that it was designed to be a vehicle of war] Though it was every bit as left as it was right, and actually primarily left wing internally, the worst of it's externalized philosophies were right wing. Right wing ideology, left wing application. But the right wing got the bad and unjust rap along with the toothbrush mustache. "How fortunate for governments that the people they govern don't think." -- Adolph Hitler
fat_boy wrote:
Tolerance is one thing, being swamped (more than 50% of Rotterdam is Morocan) is another.
One mans Mexican is another mans Morocan.
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That's why the traditional you're a leftie or a rightie breaks down relatively quickly. Only the truly simplistic try to boil all of human politics into a one-dimensional scale. Until and unless one takes into account whether one leans towards an powerful state or towards personal freedom as well as looking at the traditional left-right breakdown, square pegs and round holes get jumbled together as if they belonged together. I both agree with your conclusion and disagree with some of your premises. Hitler was anti-Lenin because the right is strongly capitalistic - and capitalism can serve state socialism just as easily as it does the free market. But he was just as opposed to personal freedom as the most dogmatic Marxist. Barry Goldwater was just as strongly capitalistic as Hitler, but as much in favor of personal freedom as JFK. We begin to see a recognition of this here in this country as people begin to talk about small-government Republicans and big government Republicans. (Ben Nelson would be an example of a small government Democrat, but so far that term hasn't gained much currency.) edit The left has indeed been able to hang the anti-personal freedom moniker on the right because of Hitler while convincing everyone that the USSR was simply a temporary aberation in the true socialist path to glory.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Anymore, I'll be perfectly happy to have any ol' American. Especially one who understands why there should be limits and boundaries. And one who acknowledged the existence and rights of those who didn't vote for him would be nice too. Hell, after this maniac, I'd even be fat dumb and happy with another Clinton (just not the Clinton that ran last go-round).
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BoneSoft wrote:
I'd even be fat dumb and happy with another Clinton
I almost threw him into the mix with Reagan, but decided Mike might have apoplexy. Whatever his failings (and there were many), he was middle of the road in many ways - and far more serious about financial responsibility than Bush or Obama.
BoneSoft wrote:
just not the Clinton that ran last go-round
I was rooting for her to win the nomination. She's got more sense than Obama and more brains that McCain. And bigger balls than her husband, which is saying something. Had she run against McCain, I might have actually voted for her.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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BoneSoft wrote:
I'd even be fat dumb and happy with another Clinton
I almost threw him into the mix with Reagan, but decided Mike might have apoplexy. Whatever his failings (and there were many), he was middle of the road in many ways - and far more serious about financial responsibility than Bush or Obama.
BoneSoft wrote:
just not the Clinton that ran last go-round
I was rooting for her to win the nomination. She's got more sense than Obama and more brains that McCain. And bigger balls than her husband, which is saying something. Had she run against McCain, I might have actually voted for her.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
we all yearn for the return of Jimmy Carter
Isn't it conceivable that there might be a middle ground? Reagan, for instance, or Bush the First. I klnow they were too left-wing for Stan but for you, too?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
a middle ground? Reagan, for instance, or Bush the First
Reagan is the ideal from my perspective. A civilian hero. Reasons: essentially a conservative but most importantly he spoke directly to the people with honesty and integrity. Bush #1 not so much, but I couldn't explain why.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
