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  • M Meysam Mahfouzi

    There are some words like Pizza, Lazio, Schizophrenic,... in which there is a T before Z to pronounce. These kind of words have probably Italian roots. Do you know any similar words? :)

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    Dr Walt Fair PE
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    How about "shiz"? :cool:

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    • M Meysam Mahfouzi

      There are some words like Pizza, Lazio, Schizophrenic,... in which there is a T before Z to pronounce. These kind of words have probably Italian roots. Do you know any similar words? :)

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      Meysam Mahfouzi
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      Please somebody tell me what's wrong with my question. I have asked a question in Lounge and I have not broken any rule. So your votes are not fair! That was a serious question

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      • M Meysam Mahfouzi

        Please somebody tell me what's wrong with my question. I have asked a question in Lounge and I have not broken any rule. So your votes are not fair! That was a serious question

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        _Damian S_
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        Maysam Mahfouzi wrote:

        your votes are not fair

        meh... voting in the Lounge is a curious thing... don't let it ruin your day!

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        • M Meysam Mahfouzi

          Please somebody tell me what's wrong with my question. I have asked a question in Lounge and I have not broken any rule. So your votes are not fair! That was a serious question

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          Rajesh R Subramanian
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          Maysam Mahfouzi wrote:

          Please somebody tell me what's wrong with my question. I have asked a question in Lounge and I have not broken any rule. So your votes are not fair! That was a serious question

          May be because you've broken the "Do not post boring stuff" (the unwritten) rule?! Also, like Damian said, let it not ruin your day!

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          • M Meysam Mahfouzi

            There are some words like Pizza, Lazio, Schizophrenic,... in which there is a T before Z to pronounce. These kind of words have probably Italian roots. Do you know any similar words? :)

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            Maysam Mahfouzi wrote:

            Pizza, Lazio, Schizophrenic,... in which there is a T before Z to pronounce. These kind of words have probably Italian roots.

            'Pizza' and 'Lazio' are in fact Italian words. As a side node, in Italian language (as far as pronunciation is concerned) we've two kind of 'z', one we speech like 'ts' (e.g. 'pizza') and the other we speech 'ds' (e.g. 'azzurro'). :)

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            • CPalliniC CPallini

              Maysam Mahfouzi wrote:

              Pizza, Lazio, Schizophrenic,... in which there is a T before Z to pronounce. These kind of words have probably Italian roots.

              'Pizza' and 'Lazio' are in fact Italian words. As a side node, in Italian language (as far as pronunciation is concerned) we've two kind of 'z', one we speech like 'ts' (e.g. 'pizza') and the other we speech 'ds' (e.g. 'azzurro'). :)

              If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
              This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
              [My articles]

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              Rajesh R Subramanian
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              CPallini wrote:

              in Italian language (as far as pronunciation is concerned) we've two kind of 'z', one we speech like 'ts' (e.g. 'pizza') and the other we speech 'ds' (e.g. 'azzurro').

              Good thing: I don't need to know all this stuff to eat a pizza. :-\

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                Maysam Mahfouzi wrote:

                Pizza, Lazio, Schizophrenic,... in which there is a T before Z to pronounce. These kind of words have probably Italian roots.

                'Pizza' and 'Lazio' are in fact Italian words. As a side node, in Italian language (as far as pronunciation is concerned) we've two kind of 'z', one we speech like 'ts' (e.g. 'pizza') and the other we speech 'ds' (e.g. 'azzurro'). :)

                If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                [My articles]

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                Meysam Mahfouzi
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                Very nice point! :) I guess Schizophrenic has an Italian root as well since it's pronounced SKITZO

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                • CPalliniC CPallini

                  Maysam Mahfouzi wrote:

                  Pizza, Lazio, Schizophrenic,... in which there is a T before Z to pronounce. These kind of words have probably Italian roots.

                  'Pizza' and 'Lazio' are in fact Italian words. As a side node, in Italian language (as far as pronunciation is concerned) we've two kind of 'z', one we speech like 'ts' (e.g. 'pizza') and the other we speech 'ds' (e.g. 'azzurro'). :)

                  If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                  This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                  [My articles]

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                  How do you know whether it's a "ts" or a "ds" sound?

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                  • H hairy_hats

                    How do you know whether it's a "ts" or a "ds" sound?

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                    CPallini
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                    Usually we don't know, we just use it one way or the other... :rolleyes: and in fact the pronunciation slightly even changes on regional basis. However you may use a dictionary as reference, for instance this [^] and this [^] may give you the idea. :)

                    If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                    This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                    [My articles]

                    In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                    • M Meysam Mahfouzi

                      There are some words like Pizza, Lazio, Schizophrenic,... in which there is a T before Z to pronounce. These kind of words have probably Italian roots. Do you know any similar words? :)

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                      Mark_Wallace
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                      Any Italian or Mandarin word with a z in it. For the reverse (a hidden z after a t), the Dutch pronounce the suffix "tie" as "tzee".

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