While we're on the Subject...
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of Neurolinguistic Programming, we're missing out on an opportunity to make use of this interesting technique for behavior modification. In various competitive activities (darts, pool, marbles...) I've long been annoyed by my teammates' propensity for slapping hands (high-5) after each round of play, regardless of the outcome. Really, what is the point of making a joyous scene when I've just pissed away any hope we had of winning by throwing the worst round of my life? It's embarrassing, and it cheapens the meaning of the gesture when I do something equally spectacular. In NLP, one uses physical contact to create a programmed link between an acceptable behavior and a certain repeatable stimulus. A touch on the shoulder, and handshake, a hug, repeatedly and consistently applied whenever a person performs a task well forges a link that can be used to cause that same behavior in the future. It's a bit sneaky, but it works like a charm. Given that, wouldn't it make more sense to perform this ritual only when a partner has done something wonderful, then after a time of setting the program, begin doing it before he/she takes a turn? Imagine programming a teammate without his knowledge to become a super-performer on command! Because it is done on a subliminal level, it sidesteps completely any self imposed limitations and allows a person to reach levels that would never be possible without it... Would that be so wrong? Word of the day: Rotundacrat
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of Neurolinguistic Programming, we're missing out on an opportunity to make use of this interesting technique for behavior modification. In various competitive activities (darts, pool, marbles...) I've long been annoyed by my teammates' propensity for slapping hands (high-5) after each round of play, regardless of the outcome. Really, what is the point of making a joyous scene when I've just pissed away any hope we had of winning by throwing the worst round of my life? It's embarrassing, and it cheapens the meaning of the gesture when I do something equally spectacular. In NLP, one uses physical contact to create a programmed link between an acceptable behavior and a certain repeatable stimulus. A touch on the shoulder, and handshake, a hug, repeatedly and consistently applied whenever a person performs a task well forges a link that can be used to cause that same behavior in the future. It's a bit sneaky, but it works like a charm. Given that, wouldn't it make more sense to perform this ritual only when a partner has done something wonderful, then after a time of setting the program, begin doing it before he/she takes a turn? Imagine programming a teammate without his knowledge to become a super-performer on command! Because it is done on a subliminal level, it sidesteps completely any self imposed limitations and allows a person to reach levels that would never be possible without it... Would that be so wrong? Word of the day: Rotundacrat
Extra Credit will be awarded for: Quasimobo...NLP rox. It's amazing the stuff we are already programmed to do for others. I guess it depends on the users intentions whether it's used for good or evil. IMHO: some folk are naturals to a certain level and thats why they get the breaks in life. But anyone can learn to use it, in an extremly wide variety of situations. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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of Neurolinguistic Programming, we're missing out on an opportunity to make use of this interesting technique for behavior modification. In various competitive activities (darts, pool, marbles...) I've long been annoyed by my teammates' propensity for slapping hands (high-5) after each round of play, regardless of the outcome. Really, what is the point of making a joyous scene when I've just pissed away any hope we had of winning by throwing the worst round of my life? It's embarrassing, and it cheapens the meaning of the gesture when I do something equally spectacular. In NLP, one uses physical contact to create a programmed link between an acceptable behavior and a certain repeatable stimulus. A touch on the shoulder, and handshake, a hug, repeatedly and consistently applied whenever a person performs a task well forges a link that can be used to cause that same behavior in the future. It's a bit sneaky, but it works like a charm. Given that, wouldn't it make more sense to perform this ritual only when a partner has done something wonderful, then after a time of setting the program, begin doing it before he/she takes a turn? Imagine programming a teammate without his knowledge to become a super-performer on command! Because it is done on a subliminal level, it sidesteps completely any self imposed limitations and allows a person to reach levels that would never be possible without it... Would that be so wrong? Word of the day: Rotundacrat
Extra Credit will be awarded for: Quasimobo...Roger Wright wrote: Imagine programming a teammate without his knowledge to become a super-performer on command! Because it is done on a subliminal level, it sidesteps completely any self imposed limitations and allows a person to reach levels that would never be possible without it... Why not just ask him if he wants this? My problem with NLP is the victims of it who in no way asked for it. Come on Roger, would you seriously be totally ok with some master NLP jerk off programming you to do stuff without your knowledge, even if it makes you a "better person?"* * I actually doubt you are a better person if you are unaware of your "better" actions or why you are doing them. Far better to conciously learn to be better. Bottom line: Don't fuck with my mind unless I ask you, kapishe? :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
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Roger Wright wrote: Imagine programming a teammate without his knowledge to become a super-performer on command! Because it is done on a subliminal level, it sidesteps completely any self imposed limitations and allows a person to reach levels that would never be possible without it... Why not just ask him if he wants this? My problem with NLP is the victims of it who in no way asked for it. Come on Roger, would you seriously be totally ok with some master NLP jerk off programming you to do stuff without your knowledge, even if it makes you a "better person?"* * I actually doubt you are a better person if you are unaware of your "better" actions or why you are doing them. Far better to conciously learn to be better. Bottom line: Don't fuck with my mind unless I ask you, kapishe? :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: Come on Roger, would you seriously be totally ok with some master NLP jerk off programming you to do stuff without your knowledge, even if it makes you a "better person?"* I really don't know. I don't consideer it f***ing with my mind, actually. You can't use it to change a person's beliefs or conscious behaviors. It seems only to work on a physical performance level, such as sports performance. In that event, it would seem to be more a physical therapy than a mind-bending tool. On that level it creates an association between a desirable emotional state ("I did really good!") with a particular touch - that touch can even be self-administered. Over time, that touch alone will cause the subject to be instantly placed back into that same optimum emotional state, enhancing the likelihood that he will be able to repeat a former excellent performance. On a superficial level it might appear that you could use this just as well to cripple an opponent by reinforcing a poor performance, but I've never heard of that working. I suspect it can't, because you would be attempting to create a trigger into an undesirable state, and the body would itself reject such programming. I for one would certainly appreciate anything that would let me consistently win dart matches instead of losing them so often! Losing is expensive.:-D Word of the day: Rotundacrat
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Paul Watson wrote: Come on Roger, would you seriously be totally ok with some master NLP jerk off programming you to do stuff without your knowledge, even if it makes you a "better person?"* I really don't know. I don't consideer it f***ing with my mind, actually. You can't use it to change a person's beliefs or conscious behaviors. It seems only to work on a physical performance level, such as sports performance. In that event, it would seem to be more a physical therapy than a mind-bending tool. On that level it creates an association between a desirable emotional state ("I did really good!") with a particular touch - that touch can even be self-administered. Over time, that touch alone will cause the subject to be instantly placed back into that same optimum emotional state, enhancing the likelihood that he will be able to repeat a former excellent performance. On a superficial level it might appear that you could use this just as well to cripple an opponent by reinforcing a poor performance, but I've never heard of that working. I suspect it can't, because you would be attempting to create a trigger into an undesirable state, and the body would itself reject such programming. I for one would certainly appreciate anything that would let me consistently win dart matches instead of losing them so often! Losing is expensive.:-D Word of the day: Rotundacrat
Extra Credit will be awarded for: Quasimobo...Roger Wright wrote: In that event, it would seem to be more a physical therapy than a mind-bending tool. As long as the victim is in agreement and the perp is not doing it in a "sneaky" way. That is my only problem with it. It simply is not ethical to do anything to anyone without their agreement, I don't like it, they wouldn't like it and I am sure NLP.com would discourage it.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South Africa -
Roger Wright wrote: In that event, it would seem to be more a physical therapy than a mind-bending tool. As long as the victim is in agreement and the perp is not doing it in a "sneaky" way. That is my only problem with it. It simply is not ethical to do anything to anyone without their agreement, I don't like it, they wouldn't like it and I am sure NLP.com would discourage it.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: It simply is not ethical to do anything to anyone without their agreement, I quite agree with that, but I'm not sure that such techniques would be effective if the subject was aware of it. It would make an interesting test to take a team of perhaps four average competitors, informing them all that you will be helping them to improve their game using psychological methods, but explaining in detail the actual technique to only two of them. You might use verbal encouragement and coaching equally on all, alongside NLP. A record developed over several months' competition should expose whether advance knowledge of the technique has any effect on its value, indeed if it has any value at all. Word of the day: Rotundacrat
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of Neurolinguistic Programming, we're missing out on an opportunity to make use of this interesting technique for behavior modification. In various competitive activities (darts, pool, marbles...) I've long been annoyed by my teammates' propensity for slapping hands (high-5) after each round of play, regardless of the outcome. Really, what is the point of making a joyous scene when I've just pissed away any hope we had of winning by throwing the worst round of my life? It's embarrassing, and it cheapens the meaning of the gesture when I do something equally spectacular. In NLP, one uses physical contact to create a programmed link between an acceptable behavior and a certain repeatable stimulus. A touch on the shoulder, and handshake, a hug, repeatedly and consistently applied whenever a person performs a task well forges a link that can be used to cause that same behavior in the future. It's a bit sneaky, but it works like a charm. Given that, wouldn't it make more sense to perform this ritual only when a partner has done something wonderful, then after a time of setting the program, begin doing it before he/she takes a turn? Imagine programming a teammate without his knowledge to become a super-performer on command! Because it is done on a subliminal level, it sidesteps completely any self imposed limitations and allows a person to reach levels that would never be possible without it... Would that be so wrong? Word of the day: Rotundacrat
Extra Credit will be awarded for: Quasimobo...Roger, that is precisly why I hate casual swearing. :suss: By the way, it is one of my pet hates. Elaine (mild mannered fluffy tigress) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Roger, that is precisly why I hate casual swearing. :suss: By the way, it is one of my pet hates. Elaine (mild mannered fluffy tigress) Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: that is precisly why I hate casual swearing. Swearing should never be casual - it should be reserved for times when nothing else will do!:cool: Word of the day: Rotundacrat
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Trollslayer wrote: that is precisly why I hate casual swearing. Swearing should never be casual - it should be reserved for times when nothing else will do!:cool: Word of the day: Rotundacrat
Extra Credit will be awarded for: Quasimobo...Roger Wright wrote: Swearing should never be casual - it should be reserved for times when nothing else will do! Precisely, otherwise it is a debased currency. Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
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Roger Wright wrote: Imagine programming a teammate without his knowledge to become a super-performer on command! Because it is done on a subliminal level, it sidesteps completely any self imposed limitations and allows a person to reach levels that would never be possible without it... Why not just ask him if he wants this? My problem with NLP is the victims of it who in no way asked for it. Come on Roger, would you seriously be totally ok with some master NLP jerk off programming you to do stuff without your knowledge, even if it makes you a "better person?"* * I actually doubt you are a better person if you are unaware of your "better" actions or why you are doing them. Far better to conciously learn to be better. Bottom line: Don't fuck with my mind unless I ask you, kapishe? :-D
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: Why not just ask him if he wants this? My problem with NLP is the victims of it who in no way asked for it. I am so sorry that I told you about NLP, and especially in the context of fast seduction. I think that you are a very kind and caring person, and NLP is the antithesis of what those values represent. I know that you have brought up NLP a few times since my infamous NLP/fast seduction post. I regret even posting about it because I know many will now try this technique on unsuspecting women. The level of sorrow I have for informing CPians of this Jedi-mind trickery is quite large because I know many will try it on women. I wish I had kept my big mouth shut about NLP, but the genie is out of the bottle so I can't. I want you to know that I have dis-avowed this technique completely, and for the past few months I have not used it once. I understand that you probably think of me as a horrible person for resorting to this pychology technique and for telling CPians about it. I don't use NLP anymore and am hoping that no CPian will use it either, because I shouldn't have said anything about this horrible technique. I want to say I'm sorry to anyone who has been offended by my NLP posts. I also hope that people will recognize that I dislike the fact that I've promoted NLP to get women, and that they will forgive me.