Standards Strike again
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In the arena of Digital Terristrial TV. Todays HD Ready TV's with Freeview wont work with Freeview-HD http://techfortesco.blogspot.com/2009/06/todays-freeview-boxes-wont-pick-up-hd.html[^] Basically you could go out and buy your spanky new HD Ready TV With built in freeview and, quite logically, expect it to be Compatiable with Freeview HD when it comes out later this year...... Not! Why? well it all comes down to one number.. "2" OR DVB-T2 to be precise. An Excert from the blog. "So why won’t Freeview receivers pick up the new HD signals when they start broadcasting? The answer goes back to 2007 when the BBC ran an HD experiment from London’s Crystal Palace transmitter. They quickly concluded that existing digital transmission standard (a European-agreed format called “Digital Video Broadcasting - Terrestrial” or “DVB-T”) only had the bandwidth to transmit one HD TV channel. Those same DVB-T signals today can carry between 6 and 10 standard definition TV channels each. So the BBC experiment changed the format to a new transmission standard that allows greater throughput capacity called DVB-T2, and changed the video compression standard from MPEG-2 (also used to compress movies onto the space on a DVD video disc) to a new format called H.264. H.264 is an excellent new compression standard that offers much more profound video compression before picture quality is compromised, and the BBC’s experiment found that combining DVB-T2 and H.264 meant it could carry 4 HD channels with excellent picture and sound quality." Good old "standards" strike again.... Nobody obiviously thought to build DVB-T2/H.264 into "HD Ready" TV's.. Just another excuse to milk more money out of consumers in my opinion..
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In the arena of Digital Terristrial TV. Todays HD Ready TV's with Freeview wont work with Freeview-HD http://techfortesco.blogspot.com/2009/06/todays-freeview-boxes-wont-pick-up-hd.html[^] Basically you could go out and buy your spanky new HD Ready TV With built in freeview and, quite logically, expect it to be Compatiable with Freeview HD when it comes out later this year...... Not! Why? well it all comes down to one number.. "2" OR DVB-T2 to be precise. An Excert from the blog. "So why won’t Freeview receivers pick up the new HD signals when they start broadcasting? The answer goes back to 2007 when the BBC ran an HD experiment from London’s Crystal Palace transmitter. They quickly concluded that existing digital transmission standard (a European-agreed format called “Digital Video Broadcasting - Terrestrial” or “DVB-T”) only had the bandwidth to transmit one HD TV channel. Those same DVB-T signals today can carry between 6 and 10 standard definition TV channels each. So the BBC experiment changed the format to a new transmission standard that allows greater throughput capacity called DVB-T2, and changed the video compression standard from MPEG-2 (also used to compress movies onto the space on a DVD video disc) to a new format called H.264. H.264 is an excellent new compression standard that offers much more profound video compression before picture quality is compromised, and the BBC’s experiment found that combining DVB-T2 and H.264 meant it could carry 4 HD channels with excellent picture and sound quality." Good old "standards" strike again.... Nobody obiviously thought to build DVB-T2/H.264 into "HD Ready" TV's.. Just another excuse to milk more money out of consumers in my opinion..
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Actual meaning of "X-ready": "forget X and bend over"
Don't attribute to stupidity what can be equally well explained by buerocracy.
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In the arena of Digital Terristrial TV. Todays HD Ready TV's with Freeview wont work with Freeview-HD http://techfortesco.blogspot.com/2009/06/todays-freeview-boxes-wont-pick-up-hd.html[^] Basically you could go out and buy your spanky new HD Ready TV With built in freeview and, quite logically, expect it to be Compatiable with Freeview HD when it comes out later this year...... Not! Why? well it all comes down to one number.. "2" OR DVB-T2 to be precise. An Excert from the blog. "So why won’t Freeview receivers pick up the new HD signals when they start broadcasting? The answer goes back to 2007 when the BBC ran an HD experiment from London’s Crystal Palace transmitter. They quickly concluded that existing digital transmission standard (a European-agreed format called “Digital Video Broadcasting - Terrestrial” or “DVB-T”) only had the bandwidth to transmit one HD TV channel. Those same DVB-T signals today can carry between 6 and 10 standard definition TV channels each. So the BBC experiment changed the format to a new transmission standard that allows greater throughput capacity called DVB-T2, and changed the video compression standard from MPEG-2 (also used to compress movies onto the space on a DVD video disc) to a new format called H.264. H.264 is an excellent new compression standard that offers much more profound video compression before picture quality is compromised, and the BBC’s experiment found that combining DVB-T2 and H.264 meant it could carry 4 HD channels with excellent picture and sound quality." Good old "standards" strike again.... Nobody obiviously thought to build DVB-T2/H.264 into "HD Ready" TV's.. Just another excuse to milk more money out of consumers in my opinion..
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Isn't that what the CI slots are for? Or are they not that useful at all?
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In the arena of Digital Terristrial TV. Todays HD Ready TV's with Freeview wont work with Freeview-HD http://techfortesco.blogspot.com/2009/06/todays-freeview-boxes-wont-pick-up-hd.html[^] Basically you could go out and buy your spanky new HD Ready TV With built in freeview and, quite logically, expect it to be Compatiable with Freeview HD when it comes out later this year...... Not! Why? well it all comes down to one number.. "2" OR DVB-T2 to be precise. An Excert from the blog. "So why won’t Freeview receivers pick up the new HD signals when they start broadcasting? The answer goes back to 2007 when the BBC ran an HD experiment from London’s Crystal Palace transmitter. They quickly concluded that existing digital transmission standard (a European-agreed format called “Digital Video Broadcasting - Terrestrial” or “DVB-T”) only had the bandwidth to transmit one HD TV channel. Those same DVB-T signals today can carry between 6 and 10 standard definition TV channels each. So the BBC experiment changed the format to a new transmission standard that allows greater throughput capacity called DVB-T2, and changed the video compression standard from MPEG-2 (also used to compress movies onto the space on a DVD video disc) to a new format called H.264. H.264 is an excellent new compression standard that offers much more profound video compression before picture quality is compromised, and the BBC’s experiment found that combining DVB-T2 and H.264 meant it could carry 4 HD channels with excellent picture and sound quality." Good old "standards" strike again.... Nobody obiviously thought to build DVB-T2/H.264 into "HD Ready" TV's.. Just another excuse to milk more money out of consumers in my opinion..
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I refuse to buy any HD stuff (Blu ray inside my PS3 excepted) as a) the differential in quality is still less than the differential in price, and b) the stuff I have works well enough. My brother basically junked a perfectly good TV in order to go HD, it cost him a fortune and he bleats on about it, but when I asked him why he just said he wanted the latest stuff. I pointed out that in 2-3 years time all the compatibiity stuff will be resolved and the prices would drop. I got stung when DVD's came out, spent £300 on a DVD player, they almost give them away today, £6.99 in ASDA (walmart for our American friends), cheaper than the DVD you put in it!
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Isn't that what the CI slots are for? Or are they not that useful at all?
I think the idea behind the CI slots are for Pay TV Cards and CAMS (like Sky) to be inserted, TopUp TV Operate one I think (but not in HD!).. of course since we have absolutely no Terristeral bandwidth in this country available for pay tv, the chances of any alternative offering HD is very slim! The phrase trying to fit a gallon into a teacup springs to mind...
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In the arena of Digital Terristrial TV. Todays HD Ready TV's with Freeview wont work with Freeview-HD http://techfortesco.blogspot.com/2009/06/todays-freeview-boxes-wont-pick-up-hd.html[^] Basically you could go out and buy your spanky new HD Ready TV With built in freeview and, quite logically, expect it to be Compatiable with Freeview HD when it comes out later this year...... Not! Why? well it all comes down to one number.. "2" OR DVB-T2 to be precise. An Excert from the blog. "So why won’t Freeview receivers pick up the new HD signals when they start broadcasting? The answer goes back to 2007 when the BBC ran an HD experiment from London’s Crystal Palace transmitter. They quickly concluded that existing digital transmission standard (a European-agreed format called “Digital Video Broadcasting - Terrestrial” or “DVB-T”) only had the bandwidth to transmit one HD TV channel. Those same DVB-T signals today can carry between 6 and 10 standard definition TV channels each. So the BBC experiment changed the format to a new transmission standard that allows greater throughput capacity called DVB-T2, and changed the video compression standard from MPEG-2 (also used to compress movies onto the space on a DVD video disc) to a new format called H.264. H.264 is an excellent new compression standard that offers much more profound video compression before picture quality is compromised, and the BBC’s experiment found that combining DVB-T2 and H.264 meant it could carry 4 HD channels with excellent picture and sound quality." Good old "standards" strike again.... Nobody obiviously thought to build DVB-T2/H.264 into "HD Ready" TV's.. Just another excuse to milk more money out of consumers in my opinion..
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When current model were designed there wasn't a DVB-T2 tuner available to put into HD sets - prototypes only became available towards the end of 2008 and there won't be a particularly high volume availabile until 2010. Even if the tuners were available, it wouldn't exactly make commercial sense for manufacturers to stick a high price premium on their sets for a service that doesn't exist yet. You could blame government for not making more bandwidth available, but given that T2 gives around 50% more bandwidth, I suspect it would've been chosen regardless. You need a new set top box to decode the HD codec anyway. I don't think the current situation actually bothers a lot of buyers. They're likely to be buying an HD set because it's a flat panel or becuase they've got an existing HD source like FreeSat, DVD or a gaming console. I can't say that it bothers me that much either, I watch all my TV via a PVR and am extremely unlikely to go back to watching live broadcasts.
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I think the idea behind the CI slots are for Pay TV Cards and CAMS (like Sky) to be inserted, TopUp TV Operate one I think (but not in HD!).. of course since we have absolutely no Terristeral bandwidth in this country available for pay tv, the chances of any alternative offering HD is very slim! The phrase trying to fit a gallon into a teacup springs to mind...
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John_Crocker wrote:
The phrase trying to fit a gallon into a teacup springs to mind...
I don't know why as the phrase is 'it's like trying to get a quart into a pint pot'. A quart is two pints.
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Isn't that what the CI slots are for? Or are they not that useful at all?
CI might allow you to decode the H.264 data once you've demodulated it, but without a T2 tuner, you can't even get the data into the box.
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Actual meaning of "X-ready": "forget X and bend over"
Don't attribute to stupidity what can be equally well explained by buerocracy.
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Actual meaning of "X-ready": "forget X and bend over"
Where X can take any value. ANY VALUE at all. You think of anything, and X can take it. Pretty manly in that regard. Ripped off of Uncyclopedia.
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In the arena of Digital Terristrial TV. Todays HD Ready TV's with Freeview wont work with Freeview-HD http://techfortesco.blogspot.com/2009/06/todays-freeview-boxes-wont-pick-up-hd.html[^] Basically you could go out and buy your spanky new HD Ready TV With built in freeview and, quite logically, expect it to be Compatiable with Freeview HD when it comes out later this year...... Not! Why? well it all comes down to one number.. "2" OR DVB-T2 to be precise. An Excert from the blog. "So why won’t Freeview receivers pick up the new HD signals when they start broadcasting? The answer goes back to 2007 when the BBC ran an HD experiment from London’s Crystal Palace transmitter. They quickly concluded that existing digital transmission standard (a European-agreed format called “Digital Video Broadcasting - Terrestrial” or “DVB-T”) only had the bandwidth to transmit one HD TV channel. Those same DVB-T signals today can carry between 6 and 10 standard definition TV channels each. So the BBC experiment changed the format to a new transmission standard that allows greater throughput capacity called DVB-T2, and changed the video compression standard from MPEG-2 (also used to compress movies onto the space on a DVD video disc) to a new format called H.264. H.264 is an excellent new compression standard that offers much more profound video compression before picture quality is compromised, and the BBC’s experiment found that combining DVB-T2 and H.264 meant it could carry 4 HD channels with excellent picture and sound quality." Good old "standards" strike again.... Nobody obiviously thought to build DVB-T2/H.264 into "HD Ready" TV's.. Just another excuse to milk more money out of consumers in my opinion..
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A "HD Ready" TV couldn't receive HDTV transmissions without external hardware even if they had stayed with DVB-T/MPEG-2. "HD Ready" means only that the set can be connected to external HD sources through HDMI or analog component interfaces.
im not arguing that point really, but imagine try telling that to the average joe on the high street who has just bought a tv with "HD Ready" plastered all over for a couple hundred quid it who would quite logically assume it has all the bits with it to display Free to view HD especially since it has Freeview built in. IMO the advertising needs to be changed to state "HD Capable" rather than ready. Capable implies the addition of other equipment required to display, Ready means its a out of the box solution can display HD right here right now with the built in technology. Trust me as the previous poster said I am not crazy enought to buy one at inflated prices until the standards have stabilised (and we have a few more free channels!) Even on Sky when you remove the HD Junk (shopping channels etc) you do not have very many HD Channels, same goes for FreeSat.
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