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David Wulff wrote: It affects me because they are around me when they act out the "show"; when they make idiots of themselves in public they also make a fool out of me; they talk to me in riddles (as far as I am concerned) and can't understand why I do not understand them. Respect is a mutual agreement in my book. Yes, it is. But you can't expect the majority to stop doing something they enjoy because the minority doesn't enjoy it. Besides, if you don't have mutual respect for and from your friends, there's a much deeper problem than wrestling. David Wulff wrote: Granted, though I believe I did see one genuinely funny clip one time I had the misfortute of flicking it onto ITV during You've Been Framed - that originally-fat presenter lady slipped up on her lines making a joke and no-one laughed -- I found it funny because *that* summed up the standard opf the program entirely! I can't say I saw that one. To be honest, I've seen about 5 minutes total since Jeremy Beedle left (and about 30 minutes total before that). I just don't get the joke. David Wulff wrote: Sadly that is not possible when you work, play and in some cases even sleep with with them (in a "house" way only) Understood, but in those situations sometimes you do have to give into peer pressure, no matter what people say to the contrary. Sad, but a fact of life. I spent over a year living in a hostel with 20 other people and sometimes you just have to go with the flow or be alienated. If being alienated meant being left alone, I could live with that. I try to avoid contact with people anyway. But being alienated means being treated differently, like a freak; much less fun than just going along with things you don't like. David Wulff wrote: Firstly I find it very difficult to meet new people, but far more importantly I like my friends because we all share similar personality disorders traits, and that is something you do not find on every stree corner. I can relate to that. David Wulff wrote: When I was growing up (you know what I mean) I used to watch childrens television quite a lot: CBBC and CITV. I quickly (and subconciously) stopped watching CITV and watched CBBC's programming exclusively. Why? Well for a start the beeb doesn't break for adverts every fifteen minutes (or even more frequently it seems on some transatlantic channels) but IMHO the reason was because the for
Paul Riley wrote: Yes, it is. But you can't expect the majority to stop doing something they enjoy because the minority doesn't enjoy it. Besides, if you don't have mutual respect for and from your friends, there's a much deeper problem than wrestling. I dislike smoking, and I detest being near to people who choose to smoke. I make no attempt to hide the fact I don't like people smoking around me, but on the other hand I don't carry a no smoking sign or cough continually and make exagerated signs. 4 of my 5 close friends smoke. People who know that I do not want to be around them when they smoke choose to do so anyway. It is subtle things like moving the ashtray nearer to them or them moving a little way around the table that make the difference. This is the opposite side of the fence. :| Paul Riley wrote: But being alienated means being treated differently, like a freak; much less fun than just going along with things you don't like. If that was really an issue I would find new company quicker than you could snap your fingers. Paul Riley wrote: I can relate to that. Another reason (blatently stolen from the Simpsons) - how can I remain mad at my friends; they get me drunk. ;P Paul Riley wrote: I know you have a problem with that but most people like it; if they didn't then it wouldn't be happening
label or "mine cost more than yours". Kids have short enough concentration spans anyway nowadays (and yes most of it *is* the parents' fault). Now I'm sorry but we have some serious problems with our societies that are only being enhanced by these attitudes, and we are not helping ourselves by doing so. The day the beeb turns into a commercial channel is the day I stop watching telly. Period. God knows what pass time I am going to have to find over the comming years. :((Paul Riley wrote: You've got to learn to live with that the same way I have learned to live with the fact that British Sci-fi is dead Which is one of the biggest tragedies since the hollocaust, and isn't just sci fi either. Red Dwarf, Faulty Towers, Black Adder, Only Fools and Horses, etc, etc, - these programs are unknown to the recent generation, and they aren't merely B -
Paul Riley wrote: Yes, it is. But you can't expect the majority to stop doing something they enjoy because the minority doesn't enjoy it. Besides, if you don't have mutual respect for and from your friends, there's a much deeper problem than wrestling. I dislike smoking, and I detest being near to people who choose to smoke. I make no attempt to hide the fact I don't like people smoking around me, but on the other hand I don't carry a no smoking sign or cough continually and make exagerated signs. 4 of my 5 close friends smoke. People who know that I do not want to be around them when they smoke choose to do so anyway. It is subtle things like moving the ashtray nearer to them or them moving a little way around the table that make the difference. This is the opposite side of the fence. :| Paul Riley wrote: But being alienated means being treated differently, like a freak; much less fun than just going along with things you don't like. If that was really an issue I would find new company quicker than you could snap your fingers. Paul Riley wrote: I can relate to that. Another reason (blatently stolen from the Simpsons) - how can I remain mad at my friends; they get me drunk. ;P Paul Riley wrote: I know you have a problem with that but most people like it; if they didn't then it wouldn't be happening
label or "mine cost more than yours". Kids have short enough concentration spans anyway nowadays (and yes most of it *is* the parents' fault). Now I'm sorry but we have some serious problems with our societies that are only being enhanced by these attitudes, and we are not helping ourselves by doing so. The day the beeb turns into a commercial channel is the day I stop watching telly. Period. God knows what pass time I am going to have to find over the comming years. :((Paul Riley wrote: You've got to learn to live with that the same way I have learned to live with the fact that British Sci-fi is dead Which is one of the biggest tragedies since the hollocaust, and isn't just sci fi either. Red Dwarf, Faulty Towers, Black Adder, Only Fools and Horses, etc, etc, - these programs are unknown to the recent generation, and they aren't merely BDavid Wulff wrote: It is subtle things like moving the ashtray nearer to them or them moving a little way around the table that make the difference If it's subtle you want, try dropping a wad of guncotton in the ashtray when a smoker isn't watching, then stand back:-) I smoke, but still find this entertaining! (You'll have to experiment a bit, as I don't recall which you add to the cotton first - the nitric, or the sulphuric acid. Be sure to neutralize with sodium bicarbonate and rinse several times with distilled water if you want to get any shelf life out of it.) Word of the day: Rotundacrat
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Paul Riley wrote: Yes, it is. But you can't expect the majority to stop doing something they enjoy because the minority doesn't enjoy it. Besides, if you don't have mutual respect for and from your friends, there's a much deeper problem than wrestling. I dislike smoking, and I detest being near to people who choose to smoke. I make no attempt to hide the fact I don't like people smoking around me, but on the other hand I don't carry a no smoking sign or cough continually and make exagerated signs. 4 of my 5 close friends smoke. People who know that I do not want to be around them when they smoke choose to do so anyway. It is subtle things like moving the ashtray nearer to them or them moving a little way around the table that make the difference. This is the opposite side of the fence. :| Paul Riley wrote: But being alienated means being treated differently, like a freak; much less fun than just going along with things you don't like. If that was really an issue I would find new company quicker than you could snap your fingers. Paul Riley wrote: I can relate to that. Another reason (blatently stolen from the Simpsons) - how can I remain mad at my friends; they get me drunk. ;P Paul Riley wrote: I know you have a problem with that but most people like it; if they didn't then it wouldn't be happening
label or "mine cost more than yours". Kids have short enough concentration spans anyway nowadays (and yes most of it *is* the parents' fault). Now I'm sorry but we have some serious problems with our societies that are only being enhanced by these attitudes, and we are not helping ourselves by doing so. The day the beeb turns into a commercial channel is the day I stop watching telly. Period. God knows what pass time I am going to have to find over the comming years. :((Paul Riley wrote: You've got to learn to live with that the same way I have learned to live with the fact that British Sci-fi is dead Which is one of the biggest tragedies since the hollocaust, and isn't just sci fi either. Red Dwarf, Faulty Towers, Black Adder, Only Fools and Horses, etc, etc, - these programs are unknown to the recent generation, and they aren't merely BDavid Wulff wrote: I dislike smoking, and I detest being near to people who choose to smoke. Heheh! :taking a deep drag out of sheer spite: ;) Seriously though, smoking is a totally different issue that I want to avoid getting into (had that argument too many times and getting bored of it now). Suffice to say that smokers are used to being treated that way, they are the minority anywhere in this country, even when they're not. You get automatic respect for your space there because smokers quickly find predjudiced attitudes everywhere and we're past fighting it (because it is, when all's said and done, an unjustifiable habit but a habit nonetheless). David Wulff wrote: Another reason (blatently stolen from the Simpsons) - how can I remain mad at my friends; they get me drunk. :laugh: You joke but I worked for a while with people who considered me antisocial because I don't drink very often and I sure as hell wasn't getting drunk with them. That was a rough time. David Wulff wrote:
label or "mine cost more than yours". Kids have short enough concentration spans anyway nowadays (and yes most of it *is* the parents' fault).Unfortunately that makes me the epitomy of pretty much everything you hate :-D. I do buy label clothes. Why? Because they are actually better quality. I looked stupid when I used to wear Burton's T-shirts, I don't look quite as stupid now I wear Timberland. Nothing to do with the label, just a better cut. The Nike Air trainers are a little more vain but DAMN they are comfortable. :-D I do buy ridiculous things when they come out rather than wait six months for the price to drop, I make no apology for that. If I want a PS2 then I'll damn well have one, I don't care if I spend most of the six months playing PS1 games on it because there's no decent PS2 games out. This all stems from having financially overly cautious parents who I hated (past tense: now one's past away and I'm way beyond hating my mother, I simply pity the bitter old witch:laugh:). I'm still rebelling. Yes, a near-30 year old rebelling against his parents who he has no contact with. Sad? Certainly. Fun? Absolutely. I swear I will never be tight with money. David Wulff wrote: Now -
David Wulff wrote: I dislike smoking, and I detest being near to people who choose to smoke. Heheh! :taking a deep drag out of sheer spite: ;) Seriously though, smoking is a totally different issue that I want to avoid getting into (had that argument too many times and getting bored of it now). Suffice to say that smokers are used to being treated that way, they are the minority anywhere in this country, even when they're not. You get automatic respect for your space there because smokers quickly find predjudiced attitudes everywhere and we're past fighting it (because it is, when all's said and done, an unjustifiable habit but a habit nonetheless). David Wulff wrote: Another reason (blatently stolen from the Simpsons) - how can I remain mad at my friends; they get me drunk. :laugh: You joke but I worked for a while with people who considered me antisocial because I don't drink very often and I sure as hell wasn't getting drunk with them. That was a rough time. David Wulff wrote:
label or "mine cost more than yours". Kids have short enough concentration spans anyway nowadays (and yes most of it *is* the parents' fault).Unfortunately that makes me the epitomy of pretty much everything you hate :-D. I do buy label clothes. Why? Because they are actually better quality. I looked stupid when I used to wear Burton's T-shirts, I don't look quite as stupid now I wear Timberland. Nothing to do with the label, just a better cut. The Nike Air trainers are a little more vain but DAMN they are comfortable. :-D I do buy ridiculous things when they come out rather than wait six months for the price to drop, I make no apology for that. If I want a PS2 then I'll damn well have one, I don't care if I spend most of the six months playing PS1 games on it because there's no decent PS2 games out. This all stems from having financially overly cautious parents who I hated (past tense: now one's past away and I'm way beyond hating my mother, I simply pity the bitter old witch:laugh:). I'm still rebelling. Yes, a near-30 year old rebelling against his parents who he has no contact with. Sad? Certainly. Fun? Absolutely. I swear I will never be tight with money. David Wulff wrote: NowPaul Riley wrote: I do buy label clothes. Why? Because they are actually better quality I agree, and that is why I have a wardrobe full of labeled clothing an even (bear in mind I am a man) own four different pairs of shoes that are all currently in circulation! :omg: Paul Riley wrote: The Nike Air trainers are a little more vain but DAMN they are comfortable I've gotten into Caterpillar for my outside shoes and Sketchers for my trainers as they seem to be the most comofrtable fit for my awkward 9 1/4 W shoes size (I did have some Nike ones before which were comfy but they wore out in just a few months!). At least with Sketchers theya re not a widely aknowledged brand over here which means I can usually find them for really reasonable prices - far less than the Nike equivalent. Of course I do buy online though so I usually get my stuff cheaper than the high street anyway. :) Paul Riley wrote: I swear I will never be tight with money If you have it, spend it, 'cause if you don't someone else will. Paul Riley wrote: Can you expand on this a bit... I'm not sure exactly what "serious" problems in our society have been caused by mass commercialism. In short: people don't question what they are told anymore, they seem to think "if it's on the telly/box/packet it must be true". They also develop personalities based around corporate disinformation and the values that are associated with it, instead of real world values. E.g. they don't appreciate a persons company as valuable unless there is some tag attached to it. It is not the whole, but it is seemingly becoming the norm. The teenage girl is the most dangerous threat to our society since the invention of the concealable hand gun. Paul Riley wrote: It's about time the BBC was opt-in subscription based though. NO! Sacrelige! Why do you think the commercial channels cannot produce consistent programming of the high standard the beeb has been responsible for since it's inception? There is a reason even the massive corporate US channels come kneeling before the beeb's board of directors asking to have them co-produce their latest series'. The BBC produce a large quantity of programming without commecial sponsorship (I'm talking the programmes here not ad breaks) which means they are free to produce programmes how their writers deem them fit, not how a contract dictates. Even prog
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Paul Riley wrote: I do buy label clothes. Why? Because they are actually better quality I agree, and that is why I have a wardrobe full of labeled clothing an even (bear in mind I am a man) own four different pairs of shoes that are all currently in circulation! :omg: Paul Riley wrote: The Nike Air trainers are a little more vain but DAMN they are comfortable I've gotten into Caterpillar for my outside shoes and Sketchers for my trainers as they seem to be the most comofrtable fit for my awkward 9 1/4 W shoes size (I did have some Nike ones before which were comfy but they wore out in just a few months!). At least with Sketchers theya re not a widely aknowledged brand over here which means I can usually find them for really reasonable prices - far less than the Nike equivalent. Of course I do buy online though so I usually get my stuff cheaper than the high street anyway. :) Paul Riley wrote: I swear I will never be tight with money If you have it, spend it, 'cause if you don't someone else will. Paul Riley wrote: Can you expand on this a bit... I'm not sure exactly what "serious" problems in our society have been caused by mass commercialism. In short: people don't question what they are told anymore, they seem to think "if it's on the telly/box/packet it must be true". They also develop personalities based around corporate disinformation and the values that are associated with it, instead of real world values. E.g. they don't appreciate a persons company as valuable unless there is some tag attached to it. It is not the whole, but it is seemingly becoming the norm. The teenage girl is the most dangerous threat to our society since the invention of the concealable hand gun. Paul Riley wrote: It's about time the BBC was opt-in subscription based though. NO! Sacrelige! Why do you think the commercial channels cannot produce consistent programming of the high standard the beeb has been responsible for since it's inception? There is a reason even the massive corporate US channels come kneeling before the beeb's board of directors asking to have them co-produce their latest series'. The BBC produce a large quantity of programming without commecial sponsorship (I'm talking the programmes here not ad breaks) which means they are free to produce programmes how their writers deem them fit, not how a contract dictates. Even prog
David Wulff wrote: I agree, and that is why I have a wardrobe full of labeled clothing an even (bear in mind I am a man) own four different pairs of shoes that are all currently in circulation! Cool! See, you are commercialised at heart :) David Wulff wrote: If you have it, spend it, 'cause if you don't someone else will. This is what I've found. Every time I try to save money, my car breaks down or my computer starts screwing around, or something else fatal to my way of life, then the tax man comes along and says that they've messed up and I owe them hundreds, or on one occassion the bank came and said they'd deposited some £450 of someone else's money in my account a year ago and they wanted it back instantly. I end up with no money whatsoever. If I just go out and blow money wildly then I seem to have stacks of it. So why bother? David Wulff wrote: In short: people don't question what they are told anymore, they seem to think "if it's on the telly/box/packet it must be true". Interesting you should say that because I would argue that people have never questioned what they're told. The difference is that they're now told it by corporations instead of governments. If anything people a sizable minority of people have started asking questions now and those people are now noticing that no one else is thinking for themselves. They think this is a surprise but it isn't. You and I are the new breed. David Wulff wrote: NO! Sacrelige! Why do you think the commercial channels cannot produce consistent programming of the high standard the beeb has been responsible for since it's inception?... they are free to produce programmes how their writers deem them fit, not how a contract dictates. Free to? Yes. But what do they do with that freedom (now, not 20 years ago)? Nothing. BBC2 is populated almost entirely with Sky's cast off American TV, BBC1 is dubious drama and more dubious comedy. Let's look at tonight's listings... 19:00 Watchdog Cheap, over-dramatic, dull. 19:30 Eastenders Less cheap, over-dramatic, depressing, but still one of the best programs on BBC. 20:00 Holby City When will the Brits admit that British TV hospitals simply aren't interesting? This program takes itself far too seriously. 21:00 Waking the Dead Haven't seen it. British Cop-programs simply don't interest me unless they've got Dalziel in the title (I w
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David Wulff wrote: I agree, and that is why I have a wardrobe full of labeled clothing an even (bear in mind I am a man) own four different pairs of shoes that are all currently in circulation! Cool! See, you are commercialised at heart :) David Wulff wrote: If you have it, spend it, 'cause if you don't someone else will. This is what I've found. Every time I try to save money, my car breaks down or my computer starts screwing around, or something else fatal to my way of life, then the tax man comes along and says that they've messed up and I owe them hundreds, or on one occassion the bank came and said they'd deposited some £450 of someone else's money in my account a year ago and they wanted it back instantly. I end up with no money whatsoever. If I just go out and blow money wildly then I seem to have stacks of it. So why bother? David Wulff wrote: In short: people don't question what they are told anymore, they seem to think "if it's on the telly/box/packet it must be true". Interesting you should say that because I would argue that people have never questioned what they're told. The difference is that they're now told it by corporations instead of governments. If anything people a sizable minority of people have started asking questions now and those people are now noticing that no one else is thinking for themselves. They think this is a surprise but it isn't. You and I are the new breed. David Wulff wrote: NO! Sacrelige! Why do you think the commercial channels cannot produce consistent programming of the high standard the beeb has been responsible for since it's inception?... they are free to produce programmes how their writers deem them fit, not how a contract dictates. Free to? Yes. But what do they do with that freedom (now, not 20 years ago)? Nothing. BBC2 is populated almost entirely with Sky's cast off American TV, BBC1 is dubious drama and more dubious comedy. Let's look at tonight's listings... 19:00 Watchdog Cheap, over-dramatic, dull. 19:30 Eastenders Less cheap, over-dramatic, depressing, but still one of the best programs on BBC. 20:00 Holby City When will the Brits admit that British TV hospitals simply aren't interesting? This program takes itself far too seriously. 21:00 Waking the Dead Haven't seen it. British Cop-programs simply don't interest me unless they've got Dalziel in the title (I w
Paul Riley wrote: Watchdog Is a useful programme even if it does have Nicky "two l's" Cambell hosting it. Paul Riley wrote: Eastenders A brilliant piece of entertainment because unlike so many soaps nowadays the characters have personality. The same is true of Coronation Street, though I never got into that because of the acents. Paul Riley wrote: Holby City I agree 100%. Paul Riley wrote: Waking the Dead You are the fool for having missed it! Waking the Dead has been sonsitently good over the last two(three?) series. It is of equal quality to Dalziel and Pascoe easily. The beeb produce some excellent crime doubles (i.e. two nighters). Ever seen Mesiah? Mesiah 2 and this weeks Waking the Dead where both put off till a later date because of the two sets of murders recently but they promise to be very good too. If the beeb put on a crime double - watch it. I have yet to be disapointed. Paul Riley wrote: News/Regional News/Weather I only watch the headlines at 10 now, and later switch over to Newnight. Paul Riley wrote: Absolutely Fabulous I never managed to get into that program. Paul Riley wrote: Johnny Vaughn Tonight Why would you like him? His show is funny. Granted I didn't like his outing on Channel 4 but this one (from the two programmes I have seen) seems to be really quite good. At elast it is better than Patrick bloody Kealty (sp) which has gone downhill a lot this series. Paul Riley wrote: Explain to me again why I should keep funding this trash by force Because the majority of your fuding goes on new talent and one off productions like The Blue Planet, Space, Walking With Dinos, Walking With Beasts, Band of Brothers, and tens and tens more programmes of that calibre that are unmatched by even the film studios in some cases. And that is another thing - you fund numerous projects around the country which produce the next generation of faces on the box. And all this isn't even touching on the news or interactive side of their operations - both of which are unparalled even abroad. Did you know BBCi is the most visited service (and website) in the whole of Europe? Even more so that Google I believe. And the world service is just that - a world service. The beeb is one of the few things that are British that we ca
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Paul Riley wrote: Watchdog Is a useful programme even if it does have Nicky "two l's" Cambell hosting it. Paul Riley wrote: Eastenders A brilliant piece of entertainment because unlike so many soaps nowadays the characters have personality. The same is true of Coronation Street, though I never got into that because of the acents. Paul Riley wrote: Holby City I agree 100%. Paul Riley wrote: Waking the Dead You are the fool for having missed it! Waking the Dead has been sonsitently good over the last two(three?) series. It is of equal quality to Dalziel and Pascoe easily. The beeb produce some excellent crime doubles (i.e. two nighters). Ever seen Mesiah? Mesiah 2 and this weeks Waking the Dead where both put off till a later date because of the two sets of murders recently but they promise to be very good too. If the beeb put on a crime double - watch it. I have yet to be disapointed. Paul Riley wrote: News/Regional News/Weather I only watch the headlines at 10 now, and later switch over to Newnight. Paul Riley wrote: Absolutely Fabulous I never managed to get into that program. Paul Riley wrote: Johnny Vaughn Tonight Why would you like him? His show is funny. Granted I didn't like his outing on Channel 4 but this one (from the two programmes I have seen) seems to be really quite good. At elast it is better than Patrick bloody Kealty (sp) which has gone downhill a lot this series. Paul Riley wrote: Explain to me again why I should keep funding this trash by force Because the majority of your fuding goes on new talent and one off productions like The Blue Planet, Space, Walking With Dinos, Walking With Beasts, Band of Brothers, and tens and tens more programmes of that calibre that are unmatched by even the film studios in some cases. And that is another thing - you fund numerous projects around the country which produce the next generation of faces on the box. And all this isn't even touching on the news or interactive side of their operations - both of which are unparalled even abroad. Did you know BBCi is the most visited service (and website) in the whole of Europe? Even more so that Google I believe. And the world service is just that - a world service. The beeb is one of the few things that are British that we ca
David Wulff wrote: Is a useful programme even if it does have Nicky "two l's" Cambell hosting it. Does it? Shows how long its been since I've seen it. That's even more reason not to watch it. :-D I would agree that it could serve a purpose, but I think it fails on so many levels. On the occasions I have seen Watchdog, at least 40% is pointless and at least 50% is just plain lies and anti-corporate propoganda. David Wulff wrote: A brilliant piece of entertainment because unlike so many soaps nowadays the characters have personality. The only soap (in the common British term) I really pay much attention to is Emmerdale because it's so ridiculous. Once it stopped taking itself seriously (some five years ago) it became very watchable. Eastenders is little mor than people walking around crying about something (although I will admit to amusement at the new Sonya-with-attitude). David Wulff wrote: If the beeb put on a crime double - watch it. I have yet to be disapointed. Saw the first one (I think), the one with Clive Owen in. I was certainly disappointed, decided not to bother again. Brilliant advertising though, it looked half interesting. David Wulff wrote: Why would you like him? His show is funny. Granted I didn't like his outing on Channel 4 but this one (from the two programmes I have seen) seems to be really quite good. At elast it is better than Patrick bloody Kealty (sp) which has gone downhill a lot this series. I might give it a try next week. If I'm really bored after Millennium ;) David Wulff wrote: Because the majority of your fuding goes on new talent and one off productions like The Blue Planet, Space, Walking With Dinos, Walking With Beasts, Band of Brothers, and tens and tens more programmes of that calibre that are unmatched by even the film studios in some cases No, no, no! I don't want to pay for that. Space was really weak after showing a lot of promise; like Kennedy Space Center, I expected it to be aimed at people with some level of interest in space, rather than at dumbasses ;) Walking With Dinosaurs was the most overhyped British program in years. I mean really, teaching theory as facts annoys me at the best of times but 15 minutes about Diplodocus shit? Was that really necessary? If this is the great justification for my TV license I want it back now. Turn BBC back on when you've made some