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  • C CaptainSeeSharp

    I think there are a lot of good lessons to be learned from that show. I've seen every single episode.

    "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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    Clarissa wrote:

    I think there are a lot of good lessons to be learned from that show. I've seen every single episode.

    That explains everything! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


    Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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      Clarissa wrote:

      I think there are a lot of good lessons to be learned from that show. I've seen every single episode.

      That explains everything! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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      Star Trek was done very well and covers a lot of moral topics.

      "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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      • W wolfbinary

        All this discussion of conspiracies got me thinking about the episode of Star Trek TNG called "The Drumhead". In it, a well respected admiral from a famous and respected family in the federation comes aboard the Enterprise to look for the cause of the warp drive casing failing. see here[^] Every time I hear claims of conspiracy I think of this episode and where it can take us. The fear of Al Quedia(sp?) drove the US to do all kinds of things that we know full well are wrong and counter to what we're supposed to stand for. But since what we stand for is so easily subjugated to placating fear mongering and alarmists it gets distorted in the process.

        modified on Monday, July 6, 2009 4:53 PM

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        Many criticize McCarthy for his tactics. I've never heard him criticized because he was wrong. :rolleyes:

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        • K kmg365

          Many criticize McCarthy for his tactics. I've never heard him criticized because he was wrong. :rolleyes:

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          kmg365 wrote:

          I've never heard him criticized because he was wrong.

          There is, of course, a reason for that. Though, in fact, the leftists and fellow-travelers did spend two generations asserting that he was wrong. Turns out, with the opening of the KGB archives, we see that he was right. You never can trust leftists, or their fellow-travelers, to tell the truth.

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          • W wolfbinary

            All this discussion of conspiracies got me thinking about the episode of Star Trek TNG called "The Drumhead". In it, a well respected admiral from a famous and respected family in the federation comes aboard the Enterprise to look for the cause of the warp drive casing failing. see here[^] Every time I hear claims of conspiracy I think of this episode and where it can take us. The fear of Al Quedia(sp?) drove the US to do all kinds of things that we know full well are wrong and counter to what we're supposed to stand for. But since what we stand for is so easily subjugated to placating fear mongering and alarmists it gets distorted in the process.

            modified on Monday, July 6, 2009 4:53 PM

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            wolfbinary wrote:

            Every time I hear claims of conspiracy I think of this episode and where it can take us. The fear of Al Quedia(sp?) drove the US to do all kinds of things that we know full well are wrong and counter to what we're supposed to stand for. But since what we stand for is so easily subjugated to placating fear mongering and alarmists it gets distorted in the process.

            :rolleyes: X| :suss: :zzz: In the near future, you and your sort will be demanding the the US military annihilate cities in the Moslem countries.

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            • C CaptainSeeSharp

              Star Trek was done very well and covers a lot of moral topics.

              "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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              CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

              Star Trek was done very well and covers a lot of moral topics.

              Perhaps so. But it's still socialistic bilge.

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              • I Ilion

                CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                Star Trek was done very well and covers a lot of moral topics.

                Perhaps so. But it's still socialistic bilge.

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                Ilíon wrote:

                But it's still socialistic bilge.

                I noticed.

                "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                • I Ilion

                  wolfbinary wrote:

                  Every time I hear claims of conspiracy I think of this episode and where it can take us. The fear of Al Quedia(sp?) drove the US to do all kinds of things that we know full well are wrong and counter to what we're supposed to stand for. But since what we stand for is so easily subjugated to placating fear mongering and alarmists it gets distorted in the process.

                  :rolleyes: X| :suss: :zzz: In the near future, you and your sort will be demanding the the US military annihilate cities in the Moslem countries.

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                  Ilíon wrote:

                  you and your sort

                  You don't even know me, yet you assume I have a sort or group I belong to. :rolleyes:

                  Ilíon wrote:

                  demanding the the US military annihilate cities in the Moslem countries.

                  I actually heard things like this when 9/11 happened, but it certainly wasn't me saying it. The phrase that was most often coined to me was "to turn their countries into glass".

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                  • C CaptainSeeSharp

                    Ilíon wrote:

                    But it's still socialistic bilge.

                    I noticed.

                    "The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949

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                    It does have the redeeming quality of showing that even as fiction socialism doesn't work ... for do not most problems in most episodes get resolved via non- and anti-socialistic means? Call it "Reagan ex machina."

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                    • I Ilion

                      kmg365 wrote:

                      I've never heard him criticized because he was wrong.

                      There is, of course, a reason for that. Though, in fact, the leftists and fellow-travelers did spend two generations asserting that he was wrong. Turns out, with the opening of the KGB archives, we see that he was right. You never can trust leftists, or their fellow-travelers, to tell the truth.

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                      As I get older, I find myself second guessing assumptions of youth, I did hear about KGB archives, that is what convinced me he wasn't as daft as I was lead to believe.

                      modified on Tuesday, July 7, 2009 8:34 PM

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                      • K kmg365

                        As I get older, I find myself second guessing assumptions of youth, I did hear about KGB archives, that is what convinced me he wasn't as daft as I was lead to believe.

                        modified on Tuesday, July 7, 2009 8:34 PM

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                        kmg365 wrote:

                        As I get older, I find myself second guessing assumptions of youth, I did hear about KGB archives, that is what convinced me he wasn't as daft as I was lead to believe.

                        But it wasn't "youthful assumptions" which lead you to believe that McCarthy was daft -- you were force-fed that belief all through your schooling (just as we all were). Leftists set the tone in what we quaintly call public education, and their goal for it is anything but education.

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