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Awesome!!!! Thanks for the link, I'd forgotten about it (I knew it was coming up, just forgot the exact day). And to think, in another decade or so, we'll have another chance (maybe, if you say pretty, pretty, pretty please with sugar on top) to go to the Moon, just like we did 40 years ago! Sigh, what went wrong :((
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Jim Crafton wrote:
go to the Moon, just like we supposedly did 40 years ago!
FTFY tin foil hat anyone? :) I believe we did get to the moon, but I couldn't resist the jab!
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Jim Crafton wrote:
go to the Moon, just like we supposedly did 40 years ago!
FTFY tin foil hat anyone? :) I believe we did get to the moon, but I couldn't resist the jab!
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Goober! I suppose the conspiracy idiots will be out in force today. There's new footage about to be released of this anyways, isn't there?
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Jim Crafton wrote:
go to the Moon, just like we supposedly did 40 years ago!
FTFY tin foil hat anyone? :) I believe we did get to the moon, but I couldn't resist the jab!
If the post was helpful, please vote, eh! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
tin foil hat anyone
You need a tin-foil suit for the moon! I thought everybody knew that. :badger:
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Jim Crafton wrote:
go to the Moon, just like we supposedly did 40 years ago!
FTFY tin foil hat anyone? :) I believe we did get to the moon, but I couldn't resist the jab!
If the post was helpful, please vote, eh! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I believe we did get to the moon, but I couldn't resist the jab
Good, because if you didn't I'd have to unleash some Bad Astronomy[^] on you. :-\
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Awesome!!!! Thanks for the link, I'd forgotten about it (I knew it was coming up, just forgot the exact day). And to think, in another decade or so, we'll have another chance (maybe, if you say pretty, pretty, pretty please with sugar on top) to go to the Moon, just like we did 40 years ago! Sigh, what went wrong :((
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What's worse is ... the shuttle program ends next year. NASA has no manned flights, coming from NASA, for at least another 5 years. 14 years, or so, ago, NASA started asking congress for funding to replace/update/upgrade/move on from, the Shuttle Program; they never received the funding necessary. So now they'll be hitching rides from the SpaceX boys ... and anyone else that has a rocket ... Hopefully the private sector will get us back to our rightful place in the space race. Emmm ... Google Lunar Lander ...
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What's worse is ... the shuttle program ends next year. NASA has no manned flights, coming from NASA, for at least another 5 years. 14 years, or so, ago, NASA started asking congress for funding to replace/update/upgrade/move on from, the Shuttle Program; they never received the funding necessary. So now they'll be hitching rides from the SpaceX boys ... and anyone else that has a rocket ... Hopefully the private sector will get us back to our rightful place in the space race. Emmm ... Google Lunar Lander ...
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Douglas Troy wrote:
Hopefully the private sector will get us back to our rightful place in the space race.
Please, the private sector can't even regulate itself enough to handle loans for houses, much less put reliable spacecraft together!
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We were on vacation the week before so during the tour saw Apollo 11 on the pad. Since we were home by the launch we then went to my grandmothers house to watch the lunar landing on a COLOR TV. (Color TV was special in 1969)
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Sucks :(
Douglas Troy wrote:
Hopefully the private sector will get us back to our rightful place in the space race.
Please, the private sector can't even regulate itself enough to handle loans for houses, much less put reliable spacecraft together!
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Do not forget that the government regulates (read as screws up :-D ) rocket lunches in the U.S.A.
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Goober! I suppose the conspiracy idiots will be out in force today. There's new footage about to be released of this anyways, isn't there?
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Jim Crafton wrote:
here's new footage about to be released of this anyways, isn't there?
afaik no. It was first reported by a UK tabloid(?) paper, and NASA promptly issued a denial to bad astronomy[^] saying it was a hoax.
The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
go to the Moon, just like we supposedly did 40 years ago!
FTFY tin foil hat anyone? :) I believe we did get to the moon, but I couldn't resist the jab!
If the post was helpful, please vote, eh! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?
Looks like one of the tinfoil hat brigade voted you down!
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Awesome!!!! Thanks for the link, I'd forgotten about it (I knew it was coming up, just forgot the exact day). And to think, in another decade or so, we'll have another chance (maybe, if you say pretty, pretty, pretty please with sugar on top) to go to the Moon, just like we did 40 years ago! Sigh, what went wrong :((
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Most excellent. I remember watching it on a little black and white TV with rabbit ears.
Jim Crafton wrote:
Sigh, what went wrong
An aspect little spoken of in the moon race was the spirit of competition not in the exploration sense, but rather the military. In the early days of nuclear posturing between the US and USSR, the thought of one side being able to establish operations on the moon was rather unnerving. Not that you could effectively launch an ICBM from the craters of the moon, but nonetheless in a military sense it was very much "the high ground." While those of us who were there remember the excitement and spirit of exploration, the reality of the matter is that the political will to drive the program and accomplish the landing was fueled from this unspoken truth. Nations don't take big steps unless there's something in it for them. This is why landing humans on Mars isn't getting the traction that the moon did. There's nothing for us but the adventure, and for political will, that's simply not enough. It has to bring major, tangible benefits to the nation. Since the scientific aspects of discovery can clearly be accomplished with amazing little robots, it's unlikely that we'll see a Niel (or Nell) Armstrong walking on the face of Mars.
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I was watching BBC World News last night and they had a story about the race to the moon. And it struck me as sad how it was us pitted against the USSR in the "race" to the moon and that China and some other countries are still working on getting men to the moon. The sad part for me was that it was a race by country to the moon. Couldn't we just unite as a frikkin race and be done with it. Do we need to pi$$ away millions of dollars just to be the first Chinese person on the moon? It seems as though a Worldwide Aeronautics and Space Administration (WASA :) ) would be a better route to take!
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Most excellent. I remember watching it on a little black and white TV with rabbit ears.
Jim Crafton wrote:
Sigh, what went wrong
An aspect little spoken of in the moon race was the spirit of competition not in the exploration sense, but rather the military. In the early days of nuclear posturing between the US and USSR, the thought of one side being able to establish operations on the moon was rather unnerving. Not that you could effectively launch an ICBM from the craters of the moon, but nonetheless in a military sense it was very much "the high ground." While those of us who were there remember the excitement and spirit of exploration, the reality of the matter is that the political will to drive the program and accomplish the landing was fueled from this unspoken truth. Nations don't take big steps unless there's something in it for them. This is why landing humans on Mars isn't getting the traction that the moon did. There's nothing for us but the adventure, and for political will, that's simply not enough. It has to bring major, tangible benefits to the nation. Since the scientific aspects of discovery can clearly be accomplished with amazing little robots, it's unlikely that we'll see a Niel (or Nell) Armstrong walking on the face of Mars.
Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes In the US? Explore our Career Coaching.
Until a massive asteroid comes at us, massive climate damage makes the planet uninhabitable for humans, or some other man-made disaster occurs that does the same thing, and then everyone will wonder, "Gee, maybe keeping all our eggs in one basket wasn't such a good idea after all". At some point we will almost certainly need an alternate habitat beside the Earth. Of course that's not really a tangible benefit until it's far too late, and given our current progress in space, it probably will be. Hopefully things will turn out differently.
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Sucks :(
Douglas Troy wrote:
Hopefully the private sector will get us back to our rightful place in the space race.
Please, the private sector can't even regulate itself enough to handle loans for houses, much less put reliable spacecraft together!
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Please, the private sector can't even regulate itself enough to handle loans for houses, much less put reliable spacecraft together!
So what are you saying?!?! I shouldn't have applied for that Home Rocket Loan!!! Damn-it. I KNEW it.
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I was watching BBC World News last night and they had a story about the race to the moon. And it struck me as sad how it was us pitted against the USSR in the "race" to the moon and that China and some other countries are still working on getting men to the moon. The sad part for me was that it was a race by country to the moon. Couldn't we just unite as a frikkin race and be done with it. Do we need to pi$$ away millions of dollars just to be the first Chinese person on the moon? It seems as though a Worldwide Aeronautics and Space Administration (WASA :) ) would be a better route to take!
Joe Simes wrote:
Couldn't we just unite as a frikkin race and be done with it. Do we need to pi$$ away millions of dollars just to be the first Chinese person on the moon?
That's reality though, if everyone united there would be far less of this kind of thing happening. Humanity only stretches in response to something. Take away all the wars and political tensions throughout history and we'd still be living in caves foraging for food. Shitty as it is, if you're a fan of progress then you need that disunity to drive us forward. The only possible way that the world can be united and do these kind of great works is in response to entirely outside negative pressure of some kind.
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I'm doing some iDTV testing at the moment and on one of the test streams the recording from the landing is used for the soundtrack. I'm not ashamed to say it gets to me.
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Until a massive asteroid comes at us, massive climate damage makes the planet uninhabitable for humans, or some other man-made disaster occurs that does the same thing, and then everyone will wonder, "Gee, maybe keeping all our eggs in one basket wasn't such a good idea after all". At some point we will almost certainly need an alternate habitat beside the Earth. Of course that's not really a tangible benefit until it's far too late, and given our current progress in space, it probably will be. Hopefully things will turn out differently.
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Obligatory B5. Mary Ann Cramer: Is it worth it? Should we just pull back? Forget the whole thing as a bad idea, and take care of our own problems, at home. Sinclair: No. We have to stay here. And there's a simple reason why. Ask ten different scientists about the environment, population control, genetics, and you'll get ten different answers, but there's one thing every scientist on the planet agrees on. Whether it happens in a hundred years or a thousand years or a million years, eventually our Sun will grow cold and go out. When that happens, it won't just take us. It'll take Marilyn Monroe, and Lao-Tzu, and Einstein, and Morobuto, and Buddy Holly, and Aristophanes…[and] all of this…all of this…was for nothing. Unless we go to the stars.
The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.
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Until a massive asteroid comes at us, massive climate damage makes the planet uninhabitable for humans, or some other man-made disaster occurs that does the same thing, and then everyone will wonder, "Gee, maybe keeping all our eggs in one basket wasn't such a good idea after all". At some point we will almost certainly need an alternate habitat beside the Earth. Of course that's not really a tangible benefit until it's far too late, and given our current progress in space, it probably will be. Hopefully things will turn out differently.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
"Gee, maybe keeping all our eggs in one basket
If you have only 1 basket that has no holes, you don't have any other option.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
"Gee, maybe keeping all our eggs in one basket
If you have only 1 basket that has no holes, you don't have any other option.
Unless you create another basket, with no holes. There are other options should we choose to actually investigate them. I would agree with that as of today, you're statement is dead on.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Please, the private sector can't even regulate itself enough to handle loans for houses, much less put reliable spacecraft together!
So what are you saying?!?! I shouldn't have applied for that Home Rocket Loan!!! Damn-it. I KNEW it.
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Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTLLet's just say I hope it doesn't all go up in flames!
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