Four Fallacies of Smart People
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Christian Graus wrote:
You claim that you're called a terrorist for being 'free', 'liberated' and 'normal'.
I'm neither free, liberated, or normal. I've been enslaved by the system.
Christian Graus wrote:
Your TV and radio does this all the time, it panders to the predisposed ideas of both left and right. All it does, is keep you ignorant, while providing a caricature of the opposing view that you feel superior for rejecting
I agree, the left right system is nothing but a system to keep us divided so we can be conquered.
Christian Graus wrote:
because you're incapable of independent thought.
I have been an independent thinker for most of my life. I don't watch TV anymore, and when I did it was mostly for educational purposes. I got tired of the BS and the commercials.
Christian Graus wrote:
I am certainly independant. More than you.
Well, that needs to be taken care of. You may be forced to take a series of injections soon for the Swine flu.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'm neither free, liberated, or normal. I've been enslaved by the system.
So, your gun has not helped you then ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I agree, the left right system is nothing but a system to keep us divided so we can be conquered.
I think that is especially true in the US, where not meaningful dialogue between the opposing camps or even understanding of their position, seems to take place.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well, that needs to be taken care of. You may be forced to take a series of injections soon for the Swine flu.
There you go again. First of all, no vaccine will do anything more than protect from swine flu. Second, I don't see how anyone can be forced to take them. Third, what if we did ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Less is more, weakness is strength, truth is false.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Less is more, weakness is strength, truth is false.
I understand that this is your code for 'I can't answer you', but why not just not answer ? BTW, you've never explained what any of this means, or why you attribute these statements to me so often
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
THAT is the pattern. I answer, you run and hide in your conspiracy theories.
No, its just that you can't intellectually rise above society itself and look at it from a greater perspective. You don't buy freedom, that is all there is to it. Simple as that.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No, its just that you can't intellectually rise above society itself and look at it from a greater perspective
This is BS. Rising above is a code word for ignoring my thought out reponses and responding with phrases you learned from you tube videos ? No, I have answered you and you have been incapable of meaningful reply. That is all.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You don't buy freedom, that is all there is to it. Simple as that.
You can't buy freedom, if you are truly enslaved. But, not having money, is it's own slavery. Not having a gun, is not a form of slavery. My only point was that I am more free than you, because I am not held back by poverty, while owning a gun does not give you any freedom whatsoever.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I know from experience that I am smarter than most people
Christian Graus wrote:
that doesn't mean I'd go around saying I am smart.
Neither do I. I've noticed that people feel threatened if they think you are smart. Some people can get pretty nasty if you start using big words or talk about history or science.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
Not that you actually know anything about science. You haven't the faintest idea of how nerves or muscles work.
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Not that you actually know anything about science. You haven't the faintest idea of how nerves or muscles work.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
You haven't the faintest idea of how nerves or muscles work.
FTFY
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
I agree. And he's oblivious of his own obliviousness, which is the worst kind. ;P
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'm neither free, liberated, or normal. I've been enslaved by the system.
So, your gun has not helped you then ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I agree, the left right system is nothing but a system to keep us divided so we can be conquered.
I think that is especially true in the US, where not meaningful dialogue between the opposing camps or even understanding of their position, seems to take place.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well, that needs to be taken care of. You may be forced to take a series of injections soon for the Swine flu.
There you go again. First of all, no vaccine will do anything more than protect from swine flu. Second, I don't see how anyone can be forced to take them. Third, what if we did ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
In the US children have to take shots or they can't go to school. It's the law.
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1. The Egocentrism Fallacy: thinking that the world revolves, or at least should revolve, around you. Acting in ways that benefit your, regardless of how that behavior affects others. 2. The Omniscience Fallacy: believing that you know all there is to know and therefore do not have to listen to the advice and counsel of others 3. The Omnipotence Fallacy: believing that your intelligence and education somehow make you all-powerful. 4. The Invulnerability Fallacy: believing that you can do whatever you want and that others will never be able to hurt you or expose you. Yeah, Christan Graus thinks he is so superior with his money and perceived intellect. Next time he calls for forced sterilization of Africans and people that aren't moneyed think of the four fallacies of "smart" people. http://sayitbetter.typepad.com/say_it_better/2008/12/why-smart-people-can-be-so-stupid.html[^]
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
If you go to books.google[^] and read further it actually, at least to me, reads like a self help book for improving yourself. I've not read it all, but it seems to kinda start that way.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Less is more, weakness is strength, truth is false.
I understand that this is your code for 'I can't answer you', but why not just not answer ? BTW, you've never explained what any of this means, or why you attribute these statements to me so often
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
BTW, you've never explained what any of this means, or why you attribute these statements to me so often
Its called double-think. It is something you extensively participate in. The reason I don't reply to each of your points is that it is double-think, I am not going to go down the path of flip-flopping logic.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No, its just that you can't intellectually rise above society itself and look at it from a greater perspective
This is BS. Rising above is a code word for ignoring my thought out reponses and responding with phrases you learned from you tube videos ? No, I have answered you and you have been incapable of meaningful reply. That is all.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You don't buy freedom, that is all there is to it. Simple as that.
You can't buy freedom, if you are truly enslaved. But, not having money, is it's own slavery. Not having a gun, is not a form of slavery. My only point was that I am more free than you, because I am not held back by poverty, while owning a gun does not give you any freedom whatsoever.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Rising above is a code word for ignoring my thought out reponses and responding with phrases you learned from you tube videos ? No, I have answered you and you have been incapable of meaningful reply. That is all.
:laugh:
Christian Graus wrote:
You can't buy freedom, if you are truly enslaved. But, not having money, is it's own slavery. Not having a gun, is not a form of slavery. My only point was that I am more free than you, because I am not held back by poverty, while owning a gun does not give you any freedom whatsoever.
You are lost man, you are all tied up in knots. I kind of feel sorry for you. It does take an expanded mind to grasp large concepts about life. You are stuck in your programmed little world. You are like an ant who cant see life outside the colony and its rules and predetermined set of function. With that said, your mind is owned and locked up by your government.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Christian Graus wrote:
BTW, you've never explained what any of this means, or why you attribute these statements to me so often
Its called double-think. It is something you extensively participate in. The reason I don't reply to each of your points is that it is double-think, I am not going to go down the path of flip-flopping logic.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
you lost me here, his argument seem to be logical and well stated, where do you get the double think? it would seem that you spend far too much time double thinking and not understanding the basics, and end up tying yourself in knots, he has asked fairly simple questions yet to seem unable to answer, maybe if you explaned why his questions are complecated and double thought we can revised the question, the problem being at the moment that we all seem to understand his question and could provide an answer, you seemingly cant, is it that the question is too complex? or your ability to understand is either very limited or at odds with our perceptions of reality?
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you lost me here, his argument seem to be logical and well stated, where do you get the double think? it would seem that you spend far too much time double thinking and not understanding the basics, and end up tying yourself in knots, he has asked fairly simple questions yet to seem unable to answer, maybe if you explaned why his questions are complecated and double thought we can revised the question, the problem being at the moment that we all seem to understand his question and could provide an answer, you seemingly cant, is it that the question is too complex? or your ability to understand is either very limited or at odds with our perceptions of reality?
Alex hogarth wrote:
he has asked fairly simple questions yet to seem unable to answer
I said I'm not going to go down the path of flip-flopped logic.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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Alex hogarth wrote:
he has asked fairly simple questions yet to seem unable to answer
I said I'm not going to go down the path of flip-flopped logic.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
so you are saying that the logic of his question is beyond you?
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so you are saying that the logic of his question is beyond you?
Alex hogarth wrote:
so you are saying that the logic of his question is beyond you?
No, his logic is faulty. It is incomplete and corrupt. I'm not going to go down that path because he will take it all the way down to weird shit like child molestation. Its ridiculous.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'm neither free, liberated, or normal. I've been enslaved by the system.
So, your gun has not helped you then ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I agree, the left right system is nothing but a system to keep us divided so we can be conquered.
I think that is especially true in the US, where not meaningful dialogue between the opposing camps or even understanding of their position, seems to take place.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well, that needs to be taken care of. You may be forced to take a series of injections soon for the Swine flu.
There you go again. First of all, no vaccine will do anything more than protect from swine flu. Second, I don't see how anyone can be forced to take them. Third, what if we did ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
First of all, no vaccine will do anything more than protect from swine flu.
You are one of the most naive persons I know. Do you really believe that the chemicals and virus material they inject directly into your bloodstream is completely safe? Did you know that the pharmaceutical companies manufacturing the swine flu vaccines have been given legal immunity for any complications or deaths caused by the liquid they will be injecting into billions? The manufacture of the new vaccine has been rushed, and it may be mandatory to take a series of injections. That includes your children! They are going to tweak the immune systems of billions of people worldwide, and make it mandatory. Does that not raise a red flag? If it does not, then you are incredibly stupid.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
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In the US children have to take shots or they can't go to school. It's the law.
I am not surprised. Here they use a carrot, if you don't immunise, then you don't get the welfare payments you otherwise get for breeding.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
First of all, no vaccine will do anything more than protect from swine flu.
You are one of the most naive persons I know. Do you really believe that the chemicals and virus material they inject directly into your bloodstream is completely safe? Did you know that the pharmaceutical companies manufacturing the swine flu vaccines have been given legal immunity for any complications or deaths caused by the liquid they will be injecting into billions? The manufacture of the new vaccine has been rushed, and it may be mandatory to take a series of injections. That includes your children! They are going to tweak the immune systems of billions of people worldwide, and make it mandatory. Does that not raise a red flag? If it does not, then you are incredibly stupid.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are one of the most naive persons I know
That's really funny.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Do you really believe that the chemicals and virus material they inject directly into your bloodstream is completely safe?
No, there is a small chance of side effects. However, the overall affect is positive, did you know that some diseases that had been eradicated for some time, are starting to come back in areas where morons refuse to vaccinate themselves and their children ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Did you know that the pharmaceutical companies manufacturing the swine flu vaccines have been given legal immunity for any complications or deaths caused by the liquid they will be injecting into billions?
That does not surprise me. I suspect in this specific case, they've been told to hurry and insisted on such immunity. Which is not great, but it doesn't mean that the odds of harm are terribly great, only that they exist.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The manufacture of the new vaccine has been rushed, and it may be mandatory to take a series of injections. That includes your children!
What I love is that you and your conspiracy friends always highlight the worst possible scenario and speak as if it is inevitable. No-one is talking about mandatory shots that I know of, and just because there is a risk, does not mean it is significant.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They are going to tweak the immune systems of billions of people worldwide, and make it mandatory
Yes, they are going to introduce pathogens in an altered form, to induce our bodies to create immunity. That's how shots work. Do you understand how they work ? Do you understand why they work, or how your body works in this regard ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Does that not raise a red flag? If it does not, then you are incredibly stupid.
The issue is not that I assume that everything the government does is benign or safe, it's that you automatically assume it is sinister, ill concieved and evil.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bu
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Christian Graus wrote:
BTW, you've never explained what any of this means, or why you attribute these statements to me so often
Its called double-think. It is something you extensively participate in. The reason I don't reply to each of your points is that it is double-think, I am not going to go down the path of flip-flopping logic.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Its called double-think. It is something you extensively participate in
And yet, when I've broken this down and asked you to show how you can attribute any of it to me, you have failed. Just like you failed yesterday to even try to answer my responses to your other accusations towards me.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The reason I don't reply to each of your points is that it is double-think, I am not going to go down the path of flip-flopping logic.
It's a sign of mental illness that you show an inability to answer me, and yet you can justify yourself with this sort of double talk. Why won't you 'go down the path', is it because you're not smart enough, or because you know that the end of the path is that you'll be proven wrong ( even more than usual ) ? I mean, it can't be that you don't have time or can't be bothered, you otherwise post here non stop, and it's not like you have a job to go to or anything.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Alex hogarth wrote:
so you are saying that the logic of his question is beyond you?
No, his logic is faulty. It is incomplete and corrupt. I'm not going to go down that path because he will take it all the way down to weird shit like child molestation. Its ridiculous.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No, his logic is faulty. It is incomplete and corrupt.
And yet, you can't prove it, or even try.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'm not going to go down that path because he will take it all the way down to weird sh*t like child molestation. Its ridiculous.
Your problem is that you're not smart enough to understand what I am saying. I used child molestation as an example of the fact that every free society still has rules and restrictions. No-one is free to do whatever they want, because society still acts to protect it's weakest members ( even in the US, sometimes ), and to enforce standards. I used this example precisely because I had said much already about why my not having a gun does not restrict my freedom, and you consistently changed the subject instead of answering the points I raised, as I raised them.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Rising above is a code word for ignoring my thought out reponses and responding with phrases you learned from you tube videos ? No, I have answered you and you have been incapable of meaningful reply. That is all.
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Christian Graus wrote:
You can't buy freedom, if you are truly enslaved. But, not having money, is it's own slavery. Not having a gun, is not a form of slavery. My only point was that I am more free than you, because I am not held back by poverty, while owning a gun does not give you any freedom whatsoever.
You are lost man, you are all tied up in knots. I kind of feel sorry for you. It does take an expanded mind to grasp large concepts about life. You are stuck in your programmed little world. You are like an ant who cant see life outside the colony and its rules and predetermined set of function. With that said, your mind is owned and locked up by your government.
"The task of saving the earth's environment must and will become the central organizing principle of the post-Cold War world." Senator Al Gore Putting People First 1992 ------ "The sacrifice of personal existence is necessary to secure the preservation of the species." Adolph Hitler Mein Kampf 1923 ------ If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." O'Brien to Winston George Orwell 1984 1949
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You are lost man, you are all tied up in knots. I kind of feel sorry for you. It does take an expanded mind to grasp large concepts about life. You are stuck in your programmed little world. You are like an ant who cant see life outside the colony and its rules and predetermined set of function. With that said, your mind is owned and locked up by your government.
And once again, you pout this utter crap, which is designed to make you feel superior despite your failings in life ( which is really what most conspiracy theories are about ), instead of answering me. I am not lost, or tied in knots. I am living the life I choose to live, without restriction of any kind. I am free. You have no answer to that, so you speak crap instead.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.