Today was pretty quiet
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I guess I scared the retard back into his cave.
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modified on Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:01 PM
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I get the feeling that you don't read anything, or that you don't comprehend much. I will be able to tell by your answer to this question. What is in dispute with what I have stated about the federal reserve?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I get the feeling that you don't read anything, or that you don't comprehend much.
If you are under 40, I had read much of this before you were born.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What is in dispute with what I have stated about the federal reserve?
As to the factual content, very little. Personally, I think that a democracy should have regulatory control of its agencies, and that the Fed should be an agency of the state. BUT, I am not a citizen of the USA and my opinion is not relevant. Apparently you do not comprehend that comments like "If at first you don't succeed, you're not Chuck Norris." are gently derogatory of (rather than adulatory of) his screen persona.
Bob Emmett I solemnly declare that I do not wish the USA to be more like Britain, Canada, or Oz.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I get the feeling that you don't read anything, or that you don't comprehend much.
If you are under 40, I had read much of this before you were born.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What is in dispute with what I have stated about the federal reserve?
As to the factual content, very little. Personally, I think that a democracy should have regulatory control of its agencies, and that the Fed should be an agency of the state. BUT, I am not a citizen of the USA and my opinion is not relevant. Apparently you do not comprehend that comments like "If at first you don't succeed, you're not Chuck Norris." are gently derogatory of (rather than adulatory of) his screen persona.
Bob Emmett I solemnly declare that I do not wish the USA to be more like Britain, Canada, or Oz.
Bob Emmett wrote:
As to the factual content, very little.
You wouldn't know whats fact if it slapped you in the face. There is nothing I stated that is fictional, there is nothing you can quote that is not fact.
Bob Emmett wrote:
I think that a democracy should have regulatory control of its agencies
This isn't a democracy it is a constitutional republic, and the fed is a purely unconstitutional and criminal institution. You are simply an idiot.
Bob Emmett wrote:
I am not a citizen of the USA and my opinion is not relevant.
Obviously. Your opinions are insignificant.
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Do you like being stupid? The central bank acts as a independent institution that controls the monetary system of the nation it represents. The central bank loans the money that it makes out of thin air (devaluing the currency, taking from people's hard earned savings) and loans that out with interest to other banks, corporations (bonds) and the government (treasuries). It acts as a independent governmental body that governs and manipulates the economy and funds itself by printing its money and also using that money to collect interest (a tax so to speak). As we can clearly see with the federal reserve, it is extremely secretive about its operations. You have to remember that every single dollar in circulation must be paid back to the federal reserve with interest. As you can imagine, it is impossible without taking another loan from the central bank to pay off the old loan. The value of the dollar has decreased by 95% since the inception of the federal reserve. Any money that you save gets devalued (stolen) right out of your pocket. Its modern slavery. Again, the value of the dollar has dropped by 95% since the fed's inception and it is completely going down the gutter right now. Its not intelligent whatsoever for anyone to endorse this giant ponzi scheme debt monster. Below is required reading. The first witness to be called is Abraham Lincoln. He warned, "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and cause me to tremble for safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic destroyed." Congressman Wright Patman decared, "In the U.S. today, we have in effect two governments. We have the duly constituted government, then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve, operating the money powers which are reserved to congress by the Constitution." Congressman Charles Lindbergh maintained, "Our financial system is a false one and a huge burden on the people . . . The Federal Reserve Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized . . . The people must make a declaration of independence to relieve themselves from the Monetary Power . . . The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by th
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I guess I scared the retard back into his cave.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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WTF is this?
It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD
d@nish wrote:
WTF is this?
Read it, its about our monetary system. Its something everyone needs to research. The quotes are especially important, don't disregard them.
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d@nish wrote:
WTF is this?
Read it, its about our monetary system. Its something everyone needs to research. The quotes are especially important, don't disregard them.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Read it, its about our monetary system.
Why?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Its something everyone needs to research.
Why?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The quotes are especially important, don't disregard them.
Really?
It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Read it, its about our monetary system.
Why?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Its something everyone needs to research.
Why?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The quotes are especially important, don't disregard them.
Really?
It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD
d@nish wrote:
Why?
The answer to your question is in the quote itself.
d@nish wrote:
Why?
Because it has a profound influence over everyone's life and country.
d@nish wrote:
Really?
Really. Those are very important quotes.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
As to the factual content, very little.
You wouldn't know whats fact if it slapped you in the face. There is nothing I stated that is fictional, there is nothing you can quote that is not fact.
Bob Emmett wrote:
I think that a democracy should have regulatory control of its agencies
This isn't a democracy it is a constitutional republic, and the fed is a purely unconstitutional and criminal institution. You are simply an idiot.
Bob Emmett wrote:
I am not a citizen of the USA and my opinion is not relevant.
Obviously. Your opinions are insignificant.
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d@nish wrote:
Why?
The answer to your question is in the quote itself.
d@nish wrote:
Why?
Because it has a profound influence over everyone's life and country.
d@nish wrote:
Really?
Really. Those are very important quotes.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
quote
You call it a quote? It is bigger than the essays I wrote back in school.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Because it has a profound influence over everyone's life and country.
One never ending paragraph that influences the world - I can't buy that.
It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
quote
You call it a quote? It is bigger than the essays I wrote back in school.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Because it has a profound influence over everyone's life and country.
One never ending paragraph that influences the world - I can't buy that.
It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD
d@nish wrote:
One never ending paragraph that influences the world - I can't buy that.
I was talking about our monetary system. That is what has a profound influence over everyone's life and country, I mean come on, you know this. That is why it is important to research it and understand it.
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Computafreak wrote:
Is there anybody whom you disagree with as regards to this who isn't an idiot?
Yes, the ones that are not in denial. The ones that don't block out information like this as a "conspiracy theory". This is real and nothing contradicts it as false. Its pure fact, and if it isn't then I challenge you to prove me wrong.
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d@nish wrote:
One never ending paragraph that influences the world - I can't buy that.
I was talking about our monetary system. That is what has a profound influence over everyone's life and country, I mean come on, you know this. That is why it is important to research it and understand it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I was talking about our monetary system.
You wrote that? All on your own?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I mean come on, you know this.
Nope. And I don't care.
It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I was talking about our monetary system.
You wrote that? All on your own?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I mean come on, you know this.
Nope. And I don't care.
It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD
d@nish wrote:
You wrote that? All on your own?
I gathered the quotes, I wrote everything that is not in small font.
d@nish wrote:
Nope. And I don't care.
Well India is a hopeless nation, so I can understand how you would keep your head down. :^)
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d@nish wrote:
You wrote that? All on your own?
I gathered the quotes, I wrote everything that is not in small font.
d@nish wrote:
Nope. And I don't care.
Well India is a hopeless nation, so I can understand how you would keep your head down. :^)
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well India is a hopeless nation
Any nation that does not have citizens like you can never ever be hopeless.
It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD
d@nish wrote:
Any nation that does not have citizens like you can never ever be hopeless.
Probably because it knows nothing but hopelessness. For instance, most North Koreans believe that they live in paradise because they have no comprehension of anything better and they are told what to believe by their leader.
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d@nish wrote:
Any nation that does not have citizens like you can never ever be hopeless.
Probably because it knows nothing but hopelessness. For instance, most North Koreans believe that they live in paradise because they have no comprehension of anything better and they are told what to believe by their leader.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
As to the factual content, very little.
You wouldn't know whats fact if it slapped you in the face. There is nothing I stated that is fictional, there is nothing you can quote that is not fact.
Bob Emmett wrote:
I think that a democracy should have regulatory control of its agencies
This isn't a democracy it is a constitutional republic, and the fed is a purely unconstitutional and criminal institution. You are simply an idiot.
Bob Emmett wrote:
I am not a citizen of the USA and my opinion is not relevant.
Obviously. Your opinions are insignificant.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
there is nothing you can quote that is not fact.
"List of facts":
- "You are a hypocrite"
- "You are beyond the meaning of the word idiot"
- "No-one cares what you think"
- "Chuck Norris is ashamed of you"
- "These are all quotes (hence the speech marks), so they must be facts"
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Your opinions are insignificant.
"Just like yours." Everything contained in this post is fact. It is also on the internet, therefore it must be true.
If at first you don't succeed, you're not Chuck Norris.
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Computafreak wrote:
Is there anybody whom you disagree with as regards to this who isn't an idiot?
Yes, the ones that are not in denial. The ones that don't block out information like this as a "conspiracy theory". This is real and nothing contradicts it as false. Its pure fact, and if it isn't then I challenge you to prove me wrong.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I challenge you to prove me wrong.
I'm sorry that you feel that way, but this isn't how logic works. What you've effectively done is make an assertion. It is your responsibility to prove it, not mine to disprove it. So far, the only evidence you've provided is your word that it's right, and loads of highly subjective quotes. If you can provide objective evidence, laid out clearly (and in a reasonable font size), then I'll start to look. As it stands, that's not evidence. What I'm interested in are historical dates, and traceable quotes which pretty much directly state the obvious. For example, if one of your quotes was "We do not believe that it would be in the public interest to have the [Fiscal Bureau|whatever your money regulator is called] audited", followed by a series of blocked audit requests, and a budgetary black hole traced to a quango associated with the Fiscal Bureau, then I'd start to be interested. As it is, it's logically inconsistent to ask me to provide the proof for you.
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Do you like being stupid? The central bank acts as a independent institution that controls the monetary system of the nation it represents. The central bank loans the money that it makes out of thin air (devaluing the currency, taking from people's hard earned savings) and loans that out with interest to other banks, corporations (bonds) and the government (treasuries). It acts as a independent governmental body that governs and manipulates the economy and funds itself by printing its money and also using that money to collect interest (a tax so to speak). As we can clearly see with the federal reserve, it is extremely secretive about its operations. You have to remember that every single dollar in circulation must be paid back to the federal reserve with interest. As you can imagine, it is impossible without taking another loan from the central bank to pay off the old loan. The value of the dollar has decreased by 95% since the inception of the federal reserve. Any money that you save gets devalued (stolen) right out of your pocket. Its modern slavery. Again, the value of the dollar has dropped by 95% since the fed's inception and it is completely going down the gutter right now. Its not intelligent whatsoever for anyone to endorse this giant ponzi scheme debt monster. Below is required reading. The first witness to be called is Abraham Lincoln. He warned, "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and cause me to tremble for safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic destroyed." Congressman Wright Patman decared, "In the U.S. today, we have in effect two governments. We have the duly constituted government, then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve, operating the money powers which are reserved to congress by the Constitution." Congressman Charles Lindbergh maintained, "Our financial system is a false one and a huge burden on the people . . . The Federal Reserve Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized . . . The people must make a declaration of independence to relieve themselves from the Monetary Power . . . The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by th
Wow... CSS, there may be problems with the Fed, but you're exaggerating pretty much everything. 1) The Fed does not create money in order to pay itself. It operates like a business, making money from loan interest rate, and PAYING dividends to its member banks. Every FDIC-insured bank in the country owns some amount of stock in the federal reserve system, on which they're paid a flat 6% annual dividend. 2) The Fed adjusts the amount of deposits it takes and the amount of loans it gives in order to adjust the "Fed Funds Rate", as it's often known. For this purpose it both creates AND DESTROYS money, intentionally inflating or deflating the currency. This regulation of the money supply is supposed to reduce the effects of the standard economic cycle (Booms and recessions). When the economy is booming, and all the bubbles are forming, as always happens, they increase interest rates and shrink the money supply to make it a little more difficult to "create" money through lending. This is like applying some extra friction to slow things down. When the economy drops, like it's been doing lately, they lower interest rates and inject more money into the economy, to stimulate lending and jump-start things. 3) The Fed is technically independent, but it is supervised by congress. Eight times a year, the Fed governors go before the FOMC (Federal Open Market Committee - a group of congressmen) and have to actively defend all of their policy decisions. 4) It is in no way secretive about its operations. Go to the fed's web site, and you can get a detailed balance sheet and see exactly where their money is coming from and going. Every action they take is publicized and debated to no end... I don't see where you're getting this idea from at all. 5) Yes, the money supply has inflated quite a bit since 1913 (Something like that), when the Fed was created. Some amount of inflation has been deemed healthy for the economy, as it encourages people to invest money instead of shoving it under their mattress. As usual, Wikipedia is a great indirect source of knowledge... Look up "Federal Reserve System", "Central Bank", and "Money creation" to start. It may not be technically authoritative, but it's more accurate than quotes and sound bytes from politicians. Disclaimer: I'm not a financial expert or an economist, just someone who does some research now and then, so feel free to dispute anything I've written.
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