I HATE Nvidia
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Personally I've had more problems with ATI, to the point where I only use Nvidia at home.
OK, I must admit that I know nothing about ATI or any other GPUs out there. You may be correct that they are worse than Nvidia. However, my experience with Nvidia hasn't been pleasant (on 64 bit operating systems). I must however confess that I've never had a problem while running on 32 bit operating systems. So, I must be bitching and whining about Nvidia, but I'll be using it because it is, at the very least a known devil. Because, All the computers I use are 64 bit (at work and home). Just like John using WPF, or CG using telstra, I'll be using Nvidia. I won't be using it because I'm pleased, but this is the least risky option, and not to mention there's no other way (at work at least). And at least they solve our queries asap because our company is a very important customer to them (thousands of machines that are used by artists, and hundreds of servers, some of which are fastest in our country, all doing rendering job). But I cannot escalate this issue I face at home from the office using my office support subscription because we don't use 7 at office and I cannot reproduce the problem there. :|
Jim Crafton wrote:
At home I just turned Aero off completely and let Vista 64 run in classic mode, and everything seems kosher.
I agree, but I'll have to turn off Aero because of some bastardly driver, and when I come to think of this, it annoys the hell out of me. How about those losers fixing their crap driver?! :mad:
Jim Crafton wrote:
What do you do there, that sounds pretty interesting!
The company is #1 animation company in India (in several aspects), known as Paprikaas Interactive[^]. Dreamworks has a strategic partnership (pardon the management buzzword) with us, and EA Sports, Nickelodeon (and a few other reputed companies that I cannot name here) have retained us as their primary services provider. The company does everything in animation and there are roughly 1000 people. We have a research team here, comprising of 10 people (6 are programmers and the rest 3 are Maya experts and 1 is an all rounder, who is probably the best graphics programmer I've met to date
Yeah that looks really cool! Congrats on having a great job!!!
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Personally I've had more problems with ATI, to the point where I only use Nvidia at home.
OK, I must admit that I know nothing about ATI or any other GPUs out there. You may be correct that they are worse than Nvidia. However, my experience with Nvidia hasn't been pleasant (on 64 bit operating systems). I must however confess that I've never had a problem while running on 32 bit operating systems. So, I must be bitching and whining about Nvidia, but I'll be using it because it is, at the very least a known devil. Because, All the computers I use are 64 bit (at work and home). Just like John using WPF, or CG using telstra, I'll be using Nvidia. I won't be using it because I'm pleased, but this is the least risky option, and not to mention there's no other way (at work at least). And at least they solve our queries asap because our company is a very important customer to them (thousands of machines that are used by artists, and hundreds of servers, some of which are fastest in our country, all doing rendering job). But I cannot escalate this issue I face at home from the office using my office support subscription because we don't use 7 at office and I cannot reproduce the problem there. :|
Jim Crafton wrote:
At home I just turned Aero off completely and let Vista 64 run in classic mode, and everything seems kosher.
I agree, but I'll have to turn off Aero because of some bastardly driver, and when I come to think of this, it annoys the hell out of me. How about those losers fixing their crap driver?! :mad:
Jim Crafton wrote:
What do you do there, that sounds pretty interesting!
The company is #1 animation company in India (in several aspects), known as Paprikaas Interactive[^]. Dreamworks has a strategic partnership (pardon the management buzzword) with us, and EA Sports, Nickelodeon (and a few other reputed companies that I cannot name here) have retained us as their primary services provider. The company does everything in animation and there are roughly 1000 people. We have a research team here, comprising of 10 people (6 are programmers and the rest 3 are Maya experts and 1 is an all rounder, who is probably the best graphics programmer I've met to date
Hey if you guys ever want to drop MFC for something a tad more interesting, let me know, hint, hint :) You might be interested in this: ImageKit[^]
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i gave up on them after my dell fried itself and they washed their hands of the matter ... nvidia chipset ... known problem ... they don't care now i use ati and so far i'm happy
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
Reading all your comments, I think I've kinda made up my mind now to give ATI a try.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Hey if you guys ever want to drop MFC for something a tad more interesting, let me know, hint, hint :) You might be interested in this: ImageKit[^]
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Hey if you guys ever want to drop MFC for something a tad more interesting, let me know, hint, hint Smile
Unfortunately that is not something that I can decide. Also, we have an insanely large amount of MFC based code.
Jim Crafton wrote:
You might be interested in this: ImageKit[^]
That looks sweet! I'll take it up to my manager. :)
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Yeah that looks really cool! Congrats on having a great job!!!
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Thank you. :-O
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I'm not buying another Nvidia.
There are people here who have decided in the past not buy any ATI. :)
OK, that confused the hell out of me. How about I'm not spending another rupee on ANY GPU? :)
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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I have used ati cards since the mach64. And with the exception of a few driver releases for the rage128 and the original Radeon I have never had a problem. This comment applies to windows, as Linux driver support is pretty terrible.
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Unpaid overtime is slavery.
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
How about your experience with their drivers on 64 bit operating systems? Stable too? I mean - I only have issues with Nvidia drivers only 64 bit operating systems. If ATI works good on 64 bit too, then I'll be sure that my next card is an ATI one.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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How about your experience with their drivers on 64 bit operating systems? Stable too? I mean - I only have issues with Nvidia drivers only 64 bit operating systems. If ATI works good on 64 bit too, then I'll be sure that my next card is an ATI one.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
I have used two different cards on XP 64 And have never encountered an issue. I haven't tried the 64 bit flavor of 7 yet.
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Unpaid overtime is slavery.
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
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I really do HATE them to the core. They were the ones that wrote the driver which caused VS 2008 to crash when a find dialog is opened. Or when the add member wizard is opened. Or when any dialog is opened at all. They were responsible for nearly 30%[^] of Vista crashes. Not that I'm supporting Vista, but such godawful drivers contributed even more to the bad reputation of Vista. The user would only know "Vista crashed", while the real culprit is Nvidia. I work for an animation company and that's got a whole lot of thing to do with graphics, and I know how much crap Nvidia rolls out. I don't know about other GPU vendors. May be they're equally terrible. But Nvidia writes crap software and they do it every now and then. And their crap affects a lot of other applications and sometimes can bring the OS down on its knees. Such is not a pretty sight. The repugnant era of Vista is over and I'm a happy man on 7. Well, I *was*. Until the Nvidia updates were done. The desktop window manager service will automatically be stopped every now and then. I must open "services.msc" and start it. This happens like 12 times in a minute. Rolling back to the old driver won't solve the issue (probably a time bomb bug that was never discovered until now). Searching the web reveals that I'm not alone. Now, I'll have to wait for them to resolve it. I've now turned off Aero (which won't "work properly" without the DWM), but I might as well trash this GPU if I can't even have some pleasing looks turned on. Don't Nvidia test their software? EVER?! Especially given that they are writing something crucial? I'm not buying another Nvidia.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
It's odd that you're not able to(?) roll back the drivers. Have you tried System Restore?
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
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I have used two different cards on XP 64 And have never encountered an issue. I haven't tried the 64 bit flavor of 7 yet.
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Unpaid overtime is slavery.
Trollslayer wrote:
Meetings - where minutes are taken and hours are lost.
Yes, but the same NVidia card worked like a magic on this configuration while I ran Vista X64. OK, I'll wait for a while to see if I'll get a fix from NVidia. I'll keep ATI on mind while purchasing the next card. Thanks.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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It's odd that you're not able to(?) roll back the drivers. Have you tried System Restore?
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
It isn't that I cannot rollback to the old driver. It is just that rolling back won't resolve the issue. Like I said, it could be a time bomb bug, that hadn't been discovered yet. Or it could have to do something to do with something else I've done to this machine recently. Only NVidia can fix.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Hi David, To be brutally honest, I have no idea if this was WHQL certified. But I was notified of this update by Windows update itself, so I assumed that it must have been certified by MS. I'll trust this updater utility no more! Thanks and I'll have it checked. Regards, Rajesh.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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My Dell laptop also has nVidia, and after I installed updated graphics drivers. I am having lot of trouble. main problem is sluggish Aero performance in vista ultimate (before that it was crashing now and then). This will go away if i open any graphics oriented apps (Games :-D ). looks like the graphics card goes to sleep mode (power saving) for some reason. I have done lots of efforts to make it stay awake, i.e. high performance settings, disable power saving mode etc... but no luck. and even funny is my gaming score is 4.2 and desktop graphics score is 3.4 (AND that makes even scrolling sluggish in web browser) one more thing... I have 'Quadro NVS' which is certified for many windows apps inlcuding 'Visual Studio'. :laugh: , and It is sluggish on all certified apps. I am happy with my ATI in desktop.
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Hmmm. I wasn't able to get the Windows Update driver to install when I installed W7-64 on my SLIed 260 system. I installed the latest from nVidia directly and have had no problems.
The latest nation. Procrastination.
I actually tried that, immediately after this problem started. The drivers that MS Update got for me and the drivers that I downloaded from nvidia seem to be identical and both are the same buggy stuff (100+ MB of nonsense).
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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Wow, you may have just firmed my opinion of what goes in my next build! I've been out of touch with hardware, particularly graphics cards, lately.
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Hmm... I'm not claiming to have profound knowledge of graphics cards. However, in my opinion, Nvidia drivers are crap. That's all I know about graphics cards. One more thing that I forgot to mention - Nvidia drivers are crap. :)
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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I really do HATE them to the core. They were the ones that wrote the driver which caused VS 2008 to crash when a find dialog is opened. Or when the add member wizard is opened. Or when any dialog is opened at all. They were responsible for nearly 30%[^] of Vista crashes. Not that I'm supporting Vista, but such godawful drivers contributed even more to the bad reputation of Vista. The user would only know "Vista crashed", while the real culprit is Nvidia. I work for an animation company and that's got a whole lot of thing to do with graphics, and I know how much crap Nvidia rolls out. I don't know about other GPU vendors. May be they're equally terrible. But Nvidia writes crap software and they do it every now and then. And their crap affects a lot of other applications and sometimes can bring the OS down on its knees. Such is not a pretty sight. The repugnant era of Vista is over and I'm a happy man on 7. Well, I *was*. Until the Nvidia updates were done. The desktop window manager service will automatically be stopped every now and then. I must open "services.msc" and start it. This happens like 12 times in a minute. Rolling back to the old driver won't solve the issue (probably a time bomb bug that was never discovered until now). Searching the web reveals that I'm not alone. Now, I'll have to wait for them to resolve it. I've now turned off Aero (which won't "work properly" without the DWM), but I might as well trash this GPU if I can't even have some pleasing looks turned on. Don't Nvidia test their software? EVER?! Especially given that they are writing something crucial? I'm not buying another Nvidia.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
Try running NVidia on linux. I can't imagine writing drivers to work with Windows to be easy with there constant changing, etc.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
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Try running NVidia on linux. I can't imagine writing drivers to work with Windows to be easy with there constant changing, etc.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
I'm not sure what you mean. Last time I checked for the drivers (I had installed ubuntu), they were not even available for Linux. That said, I'll be primarily using Windows, so I may compromise if it doesn't work great on Linux. What's been your experience with Nvidia on Windows? Would you suggest it?
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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I'm not sure what you mean. Last time I checked for the drivers (I had installed ubuntu), they were not even available for Linux. That said, I'll be primarily using Windows, so I may compromise if it doesn't work great on Linux. What's been your experience with Nvidia on Windows? Would you suggest it?
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
I have the 8700mGT on Vista Ultimate and my laptop has not crashed in the year and a half I have owned it. Visual Studio hasn't crashed either. The only problem I have had is that I used to have to restart because of the Wifi refusing to connect but that was probably resolved in a patch a while ago. My suggestion to try linux was just Tongue in cheek (and I thought nVidia was the preferred card for linux) because I have seen a lot of the sample "codez" provided by Microsoft on MSDN that not only aren't complete, but are not even accurate or for obsolete versions. (Common examples, the old Windows GINA C++, Anything DirectX, GPS for C++) And if you can't get a good sample or documentation from the manufacture (MS) than any code you write is going to be arduous. Also, I have to take some pleasure in the unfortunate quality of software these days.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
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Hi Harold, Is that a 32 bit or a 64 bit OS? If the 32 bit OS has less issues, then I'll probably switch to 32 bit OS and convince myself that the world is not yet 64 bit and may be run a 64 bit OS on a VM only to test.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
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I really do HATE them to the core. They were the ones that wrote the driver which caused VS 2008 to crash when a find dialog is opened. Or when the add member wizard is opened. Or when any dialog is opened at all. They were responsible for nearly 30%[^] of Vista crashes. Not that I'm supporting Vista, but such godawful drivers contributed even more to the bad reputation of Vista. The user would only know "Vista crashed", while the real culprit is Nvidia. I work for an animation company and that's got a whole lot of thing to do with graphics, and I know how much crap Nvidia rolls out. I don't know about other GPU vendors. May be they're equally terrible. But Nvidia writes crap software and they do it every now and then. And their crap affects a lot of other applications and sometimes can bring the OS down on its knees. Such is not a pretty sight. The repugnant era of Vista is over and I'm a happy man on 7. Well, I *was*. Until the Nvidia updates were done. The desktop window manager service will automatically be stopped every now and then. I must open "services.msc" and start it. This happens like 12 times in a minute. Rolling back to the old driver won't solve the issue (probably a time bomb bug that was never discovered until now). Searching the web reveals that I'm not alone. Now, I'll have to wait for them to resolve it. I've now turned off Aero (which won't "work properly" without the DWM), but I might as well trash this GPU if I can't even have some pleasing looks turned on. Don't Nvidia test their software? EVER?! Especially given that they are writing something crucial? I'm not buying another Nvidia.
“Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell
It varies. My two home systems had ATI graphics and never had a single problems. I upgraded one to an NVidia 9600GT, which is a very nice card, but it blue screens about once a month. It used to blue screen twice a month, so I consider that a leap forward. I replaced one of my home systems with a work surplus system. Every now and then the embedded ATI graphics whigs out. A full shut down solves the problem. Interestingly, my brother has an earlier version of the same computer and tried to put an ATI card in it and it would blue screen every time on shut down, but the low end NVidia card has no problems. I did make the mistake of buying a Neo4 motherboard which has a bug in the DMA/SATA controller software which will corrupt data on certain hard drives (one of which I unfortunately had); I will never again buy a computer with an NVidia chipset.