In Defense of CSS
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This won't touch on the content of his posts. A number of people here have repeatedly stated that they think CSS has genuine psychological problems. The people making this observation seem serious about it. And then the same people relentlessly goad and bait the guy. Troll-baiting is one thing, but if you genuinely believe the guy to be struggling to maintain his grip, what the hell are you doing increasing his level of stress? And it seems even more inconsistent that the main instigators are supposedly religious individuals. I suppose this is the sort of behavior one learns in church?
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This won't touch on the content of his posts. A number of people here have repeatedly stated that they think CSS has genuine psychological problems. The people making this observation seem serious about it. And then the same people relentlessly goad and bait the guy. Troll-baiting is one thing, but if you genuinely believe the guy to be struggling to maintain his grip, what the hell are you doing increasing his level of stress? And it seems even more inconsistent that the main instigators are supposedly religious individuals. I suppose this is the sort of behavior one learns in church?
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This won't touch on the content of his posts. A number of people here have repeatedly stated that they think CSS has genuine psychological problems. The people making this observation seem serious about it. And then the same people relentlessly goad and bait the guy. Troll-baiting is one thing, but if you genuinely believe the guy to be struggling to maintain his grip, what the hell are you doing increasing his level of stress? And it seems even more inconsistent that the main instigators are supposedly religious individuals. I suppose this is the sort of behavior one learns in church?
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It's like an itch that I just can't scratch. When I see somebody so breathtakingly arrogant, I feel as if I have to do almost anything to bring them down to earth. However, now that I've thought about your post, I'll try to refrain where possible.
OSDev :)
Computafreak wrote:
It's like an itch that I just can't scratch. When I see somebody so breathtakingly arrogant, I feel as if I have to do almost anything to bring them down to earth.
I understand, and I don't mean to come across as some kind of holier-than-thou jerk. I'm just uncomfortable seeing him getting constantly beaten up for something which may not be really under his control. Of course if you think he's totally sane and just a complete butthead, that's a different story. :-D
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Did you accidentally initially post this as a reply to something I wrote, or is CP acting buggy?
The latest nation. Procrastination.
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This won't touch on the content of his posts. A number of people here have repeatedly stated that they think CSS has genuine psychological problems. The people making this observation seem serious about it. And then the same people relentlessly goad and bait the guy. Troll-baiting is one thing, but if you genuinely believe the guy to be struggling to maintain his grip, what the hell are you doing increasing his level of stress? And it seems even more inconsistent that the main instigators are supposedly religious individuals. I suppose this is the sort of behavior one learns in church?
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LunaticFringe wrote:
And it seems even more inconsistent that the main instigators are supposedly religious individuals. I suppose this is the sort of behavior one learns in church?
I wonder what evidence you have for either of these statements?
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
And it seems even more inconsistent that the main instigators are supposedly religious individuals.
The ones that seem to poke at CSS to most are Christian Graus and Mustafa Ismail Mustafa, one a Christian and the other a Muslim.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
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This won't touch on the content of his posts. A number of people here have repeatedly stated that they think CSS has genuine psychological problems. The people making this observation seem serious about it. And then the same people relentlessly goad and bait the guy. Troll-baiting is one thing, but if you genuinely believe the guy to be struggling to maintain his grip, what the hell are you doing increasing his level of stress? And it seems even more inconsistent that the main instigators are supposedly religious individuals. I suppose this is the sort of behavior one learns in church?
LunaticFringe wrote:
I suppose this is the sort of behavior one learns in church?
Good question. In my experience, the answer is no. Of course, I haven't been in all churches. I take it you think that Christian is acting inconsistantly with how *you* think a Christian ought to act? I only single Christian out because Muslims don't go to a thing called a church.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
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This won't touch on the content of his posts. A number of people here have repeatedly stated that they think CSS has genuine psychological problems. The people making this observation seem serious about it. And then the same people relentlessly goad and bait the guy. Troll-baiting is one thing, but if you genuinely believe the guy to be struggling to maintain his grip, what the hell are you doing increasing his level of stress? And it seems even more inconsistent that the main instigators are supposedly religious individuals. I suppose this is the sort of behavior one learns in church?
LunaticFringe wrote:
Troll-baiting is one thing, but if you genuinely believe the guy to be struggling to maintain his grip, what the hell are you doing increasing his level of stress?
Actually, I have tried hard to talk to him in the past, and have even offered to pay for a psychiatric evaluation session. I've done my best to try to help him. However, he's made clear he will NEVER set foot in such a place, I guess on some level, he knows what the diagnosis is. So if I can't get him help, I can at least try to keep proving that he is incapable of defending his views. I know sometimes I respond in anger, I never claimed to be perfect. And if I didn't work from home, I doubt I'd be bored enough to bother. But, at the core, I honestly have posted to him mostly because I feel sorry for him, and because I hoped I could help. It's jut devolved from there.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Computafreak wrote:
It's like an itch that I just can't scratch. When I see somebody so breathtakingly arrogant, I feel as if I have to do almost anything to bring them down to earth.
I understand, and I don't mean to come across as some kind of holier-than-thou jerk. I'm just uncomfortable seeing him getting constantly beaten up for something which may not be really under his control. Of course if you think he's totally sane and just a complete butthead, that's a different story. :-D
LunaticFringe wrote:
I'm just uncomfortable seeing him getting constantly beaten up for something which may not be really under his control.
So long as he chooses to not get help, and to just try to be part of society as he is, he's as accountable for his actions as anyone. His actions have included attacking the site in many ways. Talking to him in here, keeps him feeling he is getting attention, so he leaves the site alone.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
I'm just uncomfortable seeing him getting constantly beaten up for something which may not be really under his control.
So long as he chooses to not get help, and to just try to be part of society as he is, he's as accountable for his actions as anyone. His actions have included attacking the site in many ways. Talking to him in here, keeps him feeling he is getting attention, so he leaves the site alone.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
So long as he chooses to not get help, and to just try to be part of society as he is, he's as accountable for his actions as anyone.
True.
Christian Graus wrote:
His actions have included attacking the site in many ways. Talking to him in here, keeps him feeling he is getting attention, so he leaves the site alone.
Well, if you feel the tactics are appropriate I'll leave it at that. You've spent more time with him than I have. I'm still not convinced it's the best way to deal with it, but I've had my say.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
And it seems even more inconsistent that the main instigators are supposedly religious individuals.
The ones that seem to poke at CSS to most are Christian Graus and Mustafa Ismail Mustafa, one a Christian and the other a Muslim.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
Do they actually follow those religions, or are you just guessing based on their names? If the latter, tsk tsk... I don't presume to guess what faith those guys follow, if any, but remember that us atheists are all over the place, and we have all sorts of names, some of which might surprise you.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)
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LunaticFringe wrote:
And it seems even more inconsistent that the main instigators are supposedly religious individuals. I suppose this is the sort of behavior one learns in church?
I wonder what evidence you have for either of these statements?
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This won't touch on the content of his posts. A number of people here have repeatedly stated that they think CSS has genuine psychological problems. The people making this observation seem serious about it. And then the same people relentlessly goad and bait the guy. Troll-baiting is one thing, but if you genuinely believe the guy to be struggling to maintain his grip, what the hell are you doing increasing his level of stress? And it seems even more inconsistent that the main instigators are supposedly religious individuals. I suppose this is the sort of behavior one learns in church?
I don't know if the guy has actual problems... I think he just bought into the Ron Paul propaganda a bit too deeply, and needs to learn to open his eyes and look at more than one side of an issue. I've been TRYING to do this logically and rationally, since that's how my mind works anyway... No luck so far. I do think people need to stop breaking down and mindlessly cursing at him, because that just makes everyone look foolish and juvenile.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)
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LunaticFringe wrote:
I suppose this is the sort of behavior one learns in church?
Good question. In my experience, the answer is no. Of course, I haven't been in all churches. I take it you think that Christian is acting inconsistantly with how *you* think a Christian ought to act? I only single Christian out because Muslims don't go to a thing called a church.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I take it you think that Christian is acting inconsistantly with how *you* think a Christian ought to act?
I wasn't sure of his motives; to me it appears to be simply messing with the guy for cheap thrills. And if the guy really is impaired, I'd think it was questionable morally. I used the example of a church becuase I knew it was specifically appropriate in this instance and wanted to call attention to the philosophical incongruity. I wouldn't think it was that hard to work out.
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Christian Graus wrote:
So long as he chooses to not get help, and to just try to be part of society as he is, he's as accountable for his actions as anyone.
True.
Christian Graus wrote:
His actions have included attacking the site in many ways. Talking to him in here, keeps him feeling he is getting attention, so he leaves the site alone.
Well, if you feel the tactics are appropriate I'll leave it at that. You've spent more time with him than I have. I'm still not convinced it's the best way to deal with it, but I've had my say.
Honestly, the best way to deal with it is to ignore him. When I did that, he started to post the same stuff in the lounge. He won't accept my help ( as I said, I offered to pay for a session, and Mustafa offered to go halves with me recently when I mentioned it again ), and the best I can do, is try to contain him in here.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
Troll-baiting is one thing, but if you genuinely believe the guy to be struggling to maintain his grip, what the hell are you doing increasing his level of stress?
Actually, I have tried hard to talk to him in the past, and have even offered to pay for a psychiatric evaluation session. I've done my best to try to help him. However, he's made clear he will NEVER set foot in such a place, I guess on some level, he knows what the diagnosis is. So if I can't get him help, I can at least try to keep proving that he is incapable of defending his views. I know sometimes I respond in anger, I never claimed to be perfect. And if I didn't work from home, I doubt I'd be bored enough to bother. But, at the core, I honestly have posted to him mostly because I feel sorry for him, and because I hoped I could help. It's jut devolved from there.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Actually, I have tried hard to talk to him in the past, and have even offered to pay for a psychiatric evaluation session. I've done my best to try to help him. However, he's made clear he will NEVER set foot in such a place, I guess on some level, he knows what the diagnosis is
Yeah, I know. I saw that. Like I said above, I'm still not sure it's the right way to deal with it, but I'm not going to harp on about it.
Christian Graus wrote:
So if I can't get him help, I can at least try to keep proving that he is incapable of defending his views. I know sometimes I respond in anger, I n ever claimed to be perfect. And if I didn't work from home, I doubt I'd be bored enough to bother.
Same here. I must be seriously bored to be up on a moral high horse. :laugh: :laugh: Dangerous ground, and I'm not suited for it. :-D
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I don't know if the guy has actual problems... I think he just bought into the Ron Paul propaganda a bit too deeply, and needs to learn to open his eyes and look at more than one side of an issue. I've been TRYING to do this logically and rationally, since that's how my mind works anyway... No luck so far. I do think people need to stop breaking down and mindlessly cursing at him, because that just makes everyone look foolish and juvenile.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)
I *always* try to have a rational discussion, he's the one who starts with the cursing, look at Dave's post below this one, he links to where he stepped in and made a valid point and CSS cursed him out, precisely because he had no rational response. He is plainly wrapped in conspiracy theories, but I think he is also plainly mentally ill. I mean, how could he not be ? He is at a minimum delusional, he's said he spends all his time alone, he is by any definition incapable of interacting with society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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LunaticFringe wrote:
Common knowledge.
Really? I have no idea what religion the majority of people on this forum follow, if any, since very few of them reveal it. So I'd be interested to know where your 'common knowledge' comes from.