Some linux users really bug me...
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Linux has got it's place. "I'll let you work out where" :-) But yeah, I find some of them to be like religious fanatics, who are blind to all but their own belief. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: Linux has got it's place. I agree... Colin Davies wrote: But yeah, I find some of them to be like religious fanatics, who are blind to all but their own belief. ... but this is what bothers me -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
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I know people who work with Windows, use Windows at home, know Windows intimately and still the conspiracy theories go on (and on, and on, and on). My personal favourite: "But Windows XP sends a hidden signal to Microsoft's server every time you do a search on your own harddrive. Pretty disturbing huh?" Well, no, not really. If you wanted to test for a good internet connection, wouldn't you ping your own server? Believe me, I'm on a 56K modem, there ain't any more than 500 bytes going down that wire. If Microsoft can find 500 bytes of critical data and send them, good luck to them. Maybe that's why the Indexing Service went insane on me a few weeks ago? Maybe it's searching for my credit cards details! :omg::omg::omg: :rolleyes: Paul
I know people tell me that and I religiously watch all outgoing and incoming traffic very closely on my computer and the only time it sends anything off I have approved it. Paul Riley wrote: Maybe that's why the Indexing Service went insane on me a few weeks ago? Maybe it's searching for my credit cards details! Most people don't realize how much Indexing Service can compress life threatining personal details and CC numbers. I heard all the way to 500 bytes :) -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
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something is not more secure because there are less tools for attacking it, just lucky. also more simple does not always mean more secure... :-D
"When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."
Philip Fitzsimons wrote: something is not more secure because there are less tools for attacking it, just lucky. I disagree. If less people can break into one brand of car over another, the first brand is considered more secure. Fact remains that a locksmith can get into pretty much any car. Whether this is due to some bizarre desire on the part of a group of jealous idiots to prove one type of car vulnerable or because it was designed that way is irrelevant. Philip Fitzsimons wrote: also more simple does not always mean more secure That's true, but it's often the case and I think you'll find it in this case in particular. How many security patches for Windows are because of periferal (often unnecessary) parts of the OS? Paul Life is just a sexually transmitted desease - Matthew Wright (ex-journalist, TV presenter) 10-Oct-02 I finally have a sig! - Paul Riley (part-time deity) 10-Oct-02
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What makes linux more secure.....is it rock-solid...does it not require patches (ok as many as windows...) ...or is it simple tough to hack.. Kannan
Kannan Kalyanaraman wrote: does it not require patches It, in my experience, still needs patches but because of the sheer number of people working on linux the turn around rate is a lot higher than any company could handle. Also they definitely try to keep updates low key so they don't catch the eyes of the windows users they just bashed the day before on /. for the latest MS update :) -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
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Sellout! You'll never reach Linux heaven now. :-D -- Please state the nature of your medical emergency.
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My neighbor is a linux user, now I have nothing against linux users or linux. However when there only reason for linux being better is "Windows sucks" or "Microsoft sucks" it gets really damn annoying. He doesn't really have anything to back up his "Microsoft sucks" argument. I also find it ironic that he seems to have an "infinite knowledge" (or so he thinks) of how Windows works even though he hasn't by his own admission used Windows since the early days of Windows 98. He also tried convincing me that the XP EULA said that gave Microsoft unrestricted access to your computer even on the hardware level :wtf:, which by the way isn't in there. In fact I quoted several sections of the EULA and he didn't recognize any of it and even accuesed me of lying about it. Does anyone else have to put up with this type of people on a regular basis? -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John SimmonsMatt Newman wrote: He doesn't really have anything to back up his "Microsoft sucks" argument. He doesn't? How about XP? Even better, how about Palladium or Passport? What about Microsoft's "Media PC that was going to restrict use of things that were recorded on it? How about MS trying to shuffle new and tougher restrictions into the EULA everytime a service pack comes out? Oh, and then there's the outrageous pricing model on Windows. It gets more expensive every year. Finally, there's the "if you want security, you're gonna have to pay for it" attidute they've recently developed. First, they seed the market with some of the mosdt insecure shit software ever to see the business side of a CD, then, they wait for everyone to bitch and moan about how all software is so insecure, ending with a big push on security and saying, "Well, we can make it more secure, but someone's gonna have to foot the bill, and it won't be us (Microsoft)". Yeah, I think he put it pretty close to the mark. Microsoft sucks. FWIW, I ignore the aimless rantings on both sides of the issue. I use Linux because (among other reasons) I am tired of Microsoft wanting to dictate to me how and when I should use my own hardware and software. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Matt Newman wrote: He doesn't really have anything to back up his "Microsoft sucks" argument. He doesn't? How about XP? Even better, how about Palladium or Passport? What about Microsoft's "Media PC that was going to restrict use of things that were recorded on it? How about MS trying to shuffle new and tougher restrictions into the EULA everytime a service pack comes out? Oh, and then there's the outrageous pricing model on Windows. It gets more expensive every year. Finally, there's the "if you want security, you're gonna have to pay for it" attidute they've recently developed. First, they seed the market with some of the mosdt insecure shit software ever to see the business side of a CD, then, they wait for everyone to bitch and moan about how all software is so insecure, ending with a big push on security and saying, "Well, we can make it more secure, but someone's gonna have to foot the bill, and it won't be us (Microsoft)". Yeah, I think he put it pretty close to the mark. Microsoft sucks. FWIW, I ignore the aimless rantings on both sides of the issue. I use Linux because (among other reasons) I am tired of Microsoft wanting to dictate to me how and when I should use my own hardware and software. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
Your remarks pretty much illustrate what he was talking about. I, and a lot of other people, want Passport and Palladium (which is widely misunderstood, BTW.) The Media intellectual protection issues are still alive and until resolved, the big media outlets aren't going to go for internet distribution. Windows doesn't get more expensive every year. In fact, for bundled versions (how most people get it) it's been the same price for five years. I paid about $90 for my Windows 98SE upgrade, the XP Home upgrade is, wow, $96 on buy.com. Big increase. (I also paid $220 for my Windows 2000 upgrade on a second machine the day it came out. XP Pro upgrade is $185. Hold it, that's a drop!) The EULA controversy is invented. Have you ever actually read it? Have you read the EULA for other software? Microsoft's is industry standard. (Since Linux is so great, how about the great GPL which some developers tweak to require you to open all your source if you use their code.) Security: Windows can be more secure than Linux. In the past, due to criticisms of the popular press, Microsoft made a mistake of favoring ease of use over enabling all the security features. If you examine the actual tracking of security and bug issues, Microsoft usuallly comes out about the same as Solaris and both are way ahead of Linux. In the past month, Linux has been hit by two severe Worms/Virii. The infection was extremely rapid, most likely because lazy-ass administrators fooled themselves into thinking their Linux servers were secure and didn't have to pay attention to them. (Every corporate infection I've personally been affected by was due to the same reason--laziness.) (Look at the publicity surrounding BugBear. It's actually a more benign worm than the Linux issues, yet it has magnitudes more publicity. Makes sense because Windows has over 90% market share.) John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: if you want security, you're gonna have to pay for it Huh? What about the Linux scalability issues? That there are known problems with the kernel under high stress. How about the way Linus okays a minor release because it's just time for one? What makes Linux superior to FreeBSD, Darwin (Mac) and Solaris, amongst other flavors of UNIX? John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I am tired of Microsoft wanting to dictate to me how and when I should use my own hardware and software. Hahahahahahah. That was a funny line. Linux's pathetic support for hardware doesn't ha
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Your remarks pretty much illustrate what he was talking about. I, and a lot of other people, want Passport and Palladium (which is widely misunderstood, BTW.) The Media intellectual protection issues are still alive and until resolved, the big media outlets aren't going to go for internet distribution. Windows doesn't get more expensive every year. In fact, for bundled versions (how most people get it) it's been the same price for five years. I paid about $90 for my Windows 98SE upgrade, the XP Home upgrade is, wow, $96 on buy.com. Big increase. (I also paid $220 for my Windows 2000 upgrade on a second machine the day it came out. XP Pro upgrade is $185. Hold it, that's a drop!) The EULA controversy is invented. Have you ever actually read it? Have you read the EULA for other software? Microsoft's is industry standard. (Since Linux is so great, how about the great GPL which some developers tweak to require you to open all your source if you use their code.) Security: Windows can be more secure than Linux. In the past, due to criticisms of the popular press, Microsoft made a mistake of favoring ease of use over enabling all the security features. If you examine the actual tracking of security and bug issues, Microsoft usuallly comes out about the same as Solaris and both are way ahead of Linux. In the past month, Linux has been hit by two severe Worms/Virii. The infection was extremely rapid, most likely because lazy-ass administrators fooled themselves into thinking their Linux servers were secure and didn't have to pay attention to them. (Every corporate infection I've personally been affected by was due to the same reason--laziness.) (Look at the publicity surrounding BugBear. It's actually a more benign worm than the Linux issues, yet it has magnitudes more publicity. Makes sense because Windows has over 90% market share.) John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: if you want security, you're gonna have to pay for it Huh? What about the Linux scalability issues? That there are known problems with the kernel under high stress. How about the way Linus okays a minor release because it's just time for one? What makes Linux superior to FreeBSD, Darwin (Mac) and Solaris, amongst other flavors of UNIX? John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I am tired of Microsoft wanting to dictate to me how and when I should use my own hardware and software. Hahahahahahah. That was a funny line. Linux's pathetic support for hardware doesn't ha
Joe Woodbury wrote: I, and a lot of other people, want Passport and Palladium why? how sure are you that independent software developers are going to be able to get their programs signed? Joe Woodbury wrote: Linux's pathetic support for hardware when was the last time you tried installing Linux ? i installed RH 8 last week and it was as simple as any Windows installation i've ever done. it found everything my 6 year old gateway p-180 had, inlcuding the no-name $35 CD-ROM drive. Joe Woodbury wrote: because lazy-ass administrators fooled themselves into thinking their Linux servers were secure and this never happens to Windows, right. i still get two or three Klez emails every day. Joe Woodbury wrote: Since Linux is so great, how about the great GPL which some developers tweak to require you to open all your source if you use their code i'm not sure that's even a sentence... but, if you don't like the GPL, don't write GPL'd software - is that too difficult? -c
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My neighbor is a linux user, now I have nothing against linux users or linux. However when there only reason for linux being better is "Windows sucks" or "Microsoft sucks" it gets really damn annoying. He doesn't really have anything to back up his "Microsoft sucks" argument. I also find it ironic that he seems to have an "infinite knowledge" (or so he thinks) of how Windows works even though he hasn't by his own admission used Windows since the early days of Windows 98. He also tried convincing me that the XP EULA said that gave Microsoft unrestricted access to your computer even on the hardware level :wtf:, which by the way isn't in there. In fact I quoted several sections of the EULA and he didn't recognize any of it and even accuesed me of lying about it. Does anyone else have to put up with this type of people on a regular basis? -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John Simmonsyou actually read the EULA :omg: and you were able to quote from it! :eek:
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Joe Woodbury wrote: I, and a lot of other people, want Passport and Palladium why? how sure are you that independent software developers are going to be able to get their programs signed? Joe Woodbury wrote: Linux's pathetic support for hardware when was the last time you tried installing Linux ? i installed RH 8 last week and it was as simple as any Windows installation i've ever done. it found everything my 6 year old gateway p-180 had, inlcuding the no-name $35 CD-ROM drive. Joe Woodbury wrote: because lazy-ass administrators fooled themselves into thinking their Linux servers were secure and this never happens to Windows, right. i still get two or three Klez emails every day. Joe Woodbury wrote: Since Linux is so great, how about the great GPL which some developers tweak to require you to open all your source if you use their code i'm not sure that's even a sentence... but, if you don't like the GPL, don't write GPL'd software - is that too difficult? -c
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Please note, I tried to inject sarcasm throughout, though apparently failed. Chris Losinger wrote: Joe Woodbury wrote: I, and a lot of other people, want Passport and Palladium why? how sure are you that independent software developers are going to be able to get their programs signed? The concept of not having to remember dozens of usernames and passwords (I keep a list on sheet of paper next to my computer and on a floppy and still miss a few--just yesterday I wasn't able to log into a site because I couldn't remember which username and password I used. I tried all sorts of iterations and finally gave up.) Palladium is a framework for more secure computing. What I don't understand is the argument that it shouldn't be done because some developers theoretically may have problems. So we get over those problems, but isn't the goal to have more secure communication? (And if the marketplace doesn't want it, it won't happen. Don't bother making a factuous argument about Microsoft marketing. Microsoft has had it's share of failures, some of them quite costly.) Chris Losinger wrote: Joe Woodbury wrote: Linux's pathetic support for hardware when was the last time you tried installing Linux ? i installed RH 8 last week and it was as simple as any Windows installation i've ever done. it found everything my 6 year old gateway p-180 had, inlcuding the no-name $35 CD-ROM drive. Alas, another failed attempt at sarcasm. I hang my head in shame. The hardware support for Windows is far bigger than that for Linux, thus Linux support is pathetic (i.e. arousing sympathetic sadness or compassion) by comparison. In the larger context of the paragraph, I was mocking the claim that Microsoft has some how "dictate"ing a narrow set of constraints on Window's users when, in fact, the are more hardware and software options available for Windows than Linux, your install not withstanding. (Actually, when it comes to limiting choices, Apple pops into mind.) Chris Losinger wrote: Joe Woodbury wrote: because lazy-ass administrators fooled themselves into thinking their Linux servers were secure and this never happens to Windows, right. i still get two or three Klez emails every day. Read on and you'll note that I state that clearly. The infections I've had to deal at my previous company with were ALL due to laziness on the part of administrators regardless of the OS. Chris Losinger wrote: J
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My neighbor is a linux user, now I have nothing against linux users or linux. However when there only reason for linux being better is "Windows sucks" or "Microsoft sucks" it gets really damn annoying. He doesn't really have anything to back up his "Microsoft sucks" argument. I also find it ironic that he seems to have an "infinite knowledge" (or so he thinks) of how Windows works even though he hasn't by his own admission used Windows since the early days of Windows 98. He also tried convincing me that the XP EULA said that gave Microsoft unrestricted access to your computer even on the hardware level :wtf:, which by the way isn't in there. In fact I quoted several sections of the EULA and he didn't recognize any of it and even accuesed me of lying about it. Does anyone else have to put up with this type of people on a regular basis? -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John SimmonsUsed to, in my operating systems class. The subject matter centered on Linux since we could analyze the source code. However, every now and then the prof would say "... but Windows does it like this..." Without fail, *every* time the prof mentioned Windows, this kid that sat next to me would audibly say, "Windows sucks!" He just had a blind hatred for Microsoft. Someday his little fantasy world and the real world will collide, and I have a feeling that he won't emerge unscathed. Jon Sagara Help me out here, Spock. I don't speak stupid.
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Please note, I tried to inject sarcasm throughout, though apparently failed. Chris Losinger wrote: Joe Woodbury wrote: I, and a lot of other people, want Passport and Palladium why? how sure are you that independent software developers are going to be able to get their programs signed? The concept of not having to remember dozens of usernames and passwords (I keep a list on sheet of paper next to my computer and on a floppy and still miss a few--just yesterday I wasn't able to log into a site because I couldn't remember which username and password I used. I tried all sorts of iterations and finally gave up.) Palladium is a framework for more secure computing. What I don't understand is the argument that it shouldn't be done because some developers theoretically may have problems. So we get over those problems, but isn't the goal to have more secure communication? (And if the marketplace doesn't want it, it won't happen. Don't bother making a factuous argument about Microsoft marketing. Microsoft has had it's share of failures, some of them quite costly.) Chris Losinger wrote: Joe Woodbury wrote: Linux's pathetic support for hardware when was the last time you tried installing Linux ? i installed RH 8 last week and it was as simple as any Windows installation i've ever done. it found everything my 6 year old gateway p-180 had, inlcuding the no-name $35 CD-ROM drive. Alas, another failed attempt at sarcasm. I hang my head in shame. The hardware support for Windows is far bigger than that for Linux, thus Linux support is pathetic (i.e. arousing sympathetic sadness or compassion) by comparison. In the larger context of the paragraph, I was mocking the claim that Microsoft has some how "dictate"ing a narrow set of constraints on Window's users when, in fact, the are more hardware and software options available for Windows than Linux, your install not withstanding. (Actually, when it comes to limiting choices, Apple pops into mind.) Chris Losinger wrote: Joe Woodbury wrote: because lazy-ass administrators fooled themselves into thinking their Linux servers were secure and this never happens to Windows, right. i still get two or three Klez emails every day. Read on and you'll note that I state that clearly. The infections I've had to deal at my previous company with were ALL due to laziness on the part of administrators regardless of the OS. Chris Losinger wrote: J
Joe Woodbury wrote: My point was that if one is going to complain about imagined offenses in Microsoft's EULA, they should read the GPL, which is far more honerous but they describe two completely unrelated things. MS's EULA describes how you can use Windows (and the fact that you can't publish benchmarks, etc). the GPL limits what you can do with the uncompiled source code that you are given - it says nothing about how you can use that software. one is a copyright issue, the other is a one-sided contract. i use windows because it makes more financial sense, and i'm used to the interface. but, as others have said before on CP, it wouldn't take much for me to jump ship. -c
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Your remarks pretty much illustrate what he was talking about. I, and a lot of other people, want Passport and Palladium (which is widely misunderstood, BTW.) The Media intellectual protection issues are still alive and until resolved, the big media outlets aren't going to go for internet distribution. Windows doesn't get more expensive every year. In fact, for bundled versions (how most people get it) it's been the same price for five years. I paid about $90 for my Windows 98SE upgrade, the XP Home upgrade is, wow, $96 on buy.com. Big increase. (I also paid $220 for my Windows 2000 upgrade on a second machine the day it came out. XP Pro upgrade is $185. Hold it, that's a drop!) The EULA controversy is invented. Have you ever actually read it? Have you read the EULA for other software? Microsoft's is industry standard. (Since Linux is so great, how about the great GPL which some developers tweak to require you to open all your source if you use their code.) Security: Windows can be more secure than Linux. In the past, due to criticisms of the popular press, Microsoft made a mistake of favoring ease of use over enabling all the security features. If you examine the actual tracking of security and bug issues, Microsoft usuallly comes out about the same as Solaris and both are way ahead of Linux. In the past month, Linux has been hit by two severe Worms/Virii. The infection was extremely rapid, most likely because lazy-ass administrators fooled themselves into thinking their Linux servers were secure and didn't have to pay attention to them. (Every corporate infection I've personally been affected by was due to the same reason--laziness.) (Look at the publicity surrounding BugBear. It's actually a more benign worm than the Linux issues, yet it has magnitudes more publicity. Makes sense because Windows has over 90% market share.) John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: if you want security, you're gonna have to pay for it Huh? What about the Linux scalability issues? That there are known problems with the kernel under high stress. How about the way Linus okays a minor release because it's just time for one? What makes Linux superior to FreeBSD, Darwin (Mac) and Solaris, amongst other flavors of UNIX? John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I am tired of Microsoft wanting to dictate to me how and when I should use my own hardware and software. Hahahahahahah. That was a funny line. Linux's pathetic support for hardware doesn't ha
Microsoft sucks. If you had been paying any attention at all when this linux/windows thing comes up, you would have noticed that I clearly stated that the idea behind windows is sound. I just have objections with one company running the show. As for your other arguments, it's the same bullshit we always hear from Windows zealots. I never once said Linux was better than Windows at anything, yet you feel the need to prove that Windows is better. Virus/worm attacks? I'm surprised it took this long for someone to turn one on the Linux world. As for windows, it happens every freakin day and the attacks aren't simply restricted to servers. On the other hand, worm/virus stuff is not really the fault of either OS, but instead the result of lazy/uninformed admins. "Pathetic hardware support"? I've installed Linux on half a dozen machines (of varying configurations), and on each one, the hardware was correctly detected and drivers were installed, and that includes a brand new Compaq laptop. Please give us all the benefit of your apparently vast knowledge and point out where the hardware support was pathetic. I never once criticized Windows, just the company. Oh yeah, one final point. You don't have to write GPL-compliant code, and I never claimed that I supported the idea that all source should be open, or even that all programs should be free). As a programmer, if I can't sell my services/programs, I don't eat, so Linux as a work platform isn't where I spend my professional time. However, I don't have to pay for what my employer uses, only what I use at home, and I refuse to buy anything from Microsoft ever again. This, in and of itself, forces me to an alternative OS that is compatible with my hardware - since I don't own an Apple, I can choose either FreeBSD or Linux. In the end, I'm not suggesting to anyone that they must/should switch to Linux (and I never have). I think Microsoft sucks, and that's why I switched. If you think Microsoft spews sunshine out of their collective asses, that's your perogative, and nothing I or anyone else can say anything to change your mind. I really have no idea why my opinion would turn you into a raving fuckin lunatic. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Please note, I tried to inject sarcasm throughout, though apparently failed. Chris Losinger wrote: Joe Woodbury wrote: I, and a lot of other people, want Passport and Palladium why? how sure are you that independent software developers are going to be able to get their programs signed? The concept of not having to remember dozens of usernames and passwords (I keep a list on sheet of paper next to my computer and on a floppy and still miss a few--just yesterday I wasn't able to log into a site because I couldn't remember which username and password I used. I tried all sorts of iterations and finally gave up.) Palladium is a framework for more secure computing. What I don't understand is the argument that it shouldn't be done because some developers theoretically may have problems. So we get over those problems, but isn't the goal to have more secure communication? (And if the marketplace doesn't want it, it won't happen. Don't bother making a factuous argument about Microsoft marketing. Microsoft has had it's share of failures, some of them quite costly.) Chris Losinger wrote: Joe Woodbury wrote: Linux's pathetic support for hardware when was the last time you tried installing Linux ? i installed RH 8 last week and it was as simple as any Windows installation i've ever done. it found everything my 6 year old gateway p-180 had, inlcuding the no-name $35 CD-ROM drive. Alas, another failed attempt at sarcasm. I hang my head in shame. The hardware support for Windows is far bigger than that for Linux, thus Linux support is pathetic (i.e. arousing sympathetic sadness or compassion) by comparison. In the larger context of the paragraph, I was mocking the claim that Microsoft has some how "dictate"ing a narrow set of constraints on Window's users when, in fact, the are more hardware and software options available for Windows than Linux, your install not withstanding. (Actually, when it comes to limiting choices, Apple pops into mind.) Chris Losinger wrote: Joe Woodbury wrote: because lazy-ass administrators fooled themselves into thinking their Linux servers were secure and this never happens to Windows, right. i still get two or three Klez emails every day. Read on and you'll note that I state that clearly. The infections I've had to deal at my previous company with were ALL due to laziness on the part of administrators regardless of the OS. Chris Losinger wrote: J
Joe Woodbury wrote: Though I should know better, I was bored and Mr. Simmons' remarks set me off. If you think you're pissed off now, wait until I make a concerted effort to piss you (personally) off. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Joe Woodbury wrote: My point was that if one is going to complain about imagined offenses in Microsoft's EULA, they should read the GPL, which is far more honerous but they describe two completely unrelated things. MS's EULA describes how you can use Windows (and the fact that you can't publish benchmarks, etc). the GPL limits what you can do with the uncompiled source code that you are given - it says nothing about how you can use that software. one is a copyright issue, the other is a one-sided contract. i use windows because it makes more financial sense, and i'm used to the interface. but, as others have said before on CP, it wouldn't take much for me to jump ship. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: i use windows because it makes more financial sense, and i'm used to the interface. but, as others have said before on CP, it wouldn't take much for me to jump ship. Precisely. Writing code for windows puts beans on the table, so that's what I do for a living. However, I don't have to deal with the MS bullshit at home. If I could find equivalants for all the games my wife plays at home, ALL of our computers would be Linux instead of just 4 of the 5 of them. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Used to, in my operating systems class. The subject matter centered on Linux since we could analyze the source code. However, every now and then the prof would say "... but Windows does it like this..." Without fail, *every* time the prof mentioned Windows, this kid that sat next to me would audibly say, "Windows sucks!" He just had a blind hatred for Microsoft. Someday his little fantasy world and the real world will collide, and I have a feeling that he won't emerge unscathed. Jon Sagara Help me out here, Spock. I don't speak stupid.
They guy I'm talking about found me doing some coding today and was asking me about it and I explained I was doing some C++/MFC and he then accused me of ineffecient coding because I wasn't coding for compliance on any operating system concievable. He made comments on how horrible MFC was and how unorganized etc etc. The ironic part was he has never programed, he doesn't know C++ and he has never even looked into MFC. All he knew was that it was from Microsoft. I then argued with him that programming this program to run on linux as well would be extremely inefficient. He didn't even give me a chance to explain what the program did. All the program did was basically a control for some advanced Windows features. :) -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
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Used to, in my operating systems class. The subject matter centered on Linux since we could analyze the source code. However, every now and then the prof would say "... but Windows does it like this..." Without fail, *every* time the prof mentioned Windows, this kid that sat next to me would audibly say, "Windows sucks!" He just had a blind hatred for Microsoft. Someday his little fantasy world and the real world will collide, and I have a feeling that he won't emerge unscathed. Jon Sagara Help me out here, Spock. I don't speak stupid.
Jon Sagara wrote: Without fail, *every* time the prof mentioned Windows, this kid that sat next to me would audibly say, "Windows sucks!" He just had a blind hatred for Microsoft. That's just some punk kid who wants to be seen as "cool" or that has some secret knowledge. He's absolutely wrong about his claim that "windows sucks", because it doesn't (at least not the real OS part of it). Microsoft is a compeletely different thing altogether, and as a company, it does most certainly suck. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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you actually read the EULA :omg: and you were able to quote from it! :eek:
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Sonork | 100.21142 | TheEclypseIts just an industry standard EULA, nothing different. -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John Simmons -
They think because they use something vaguely rarish they are elite. Yes, it takes some skill, but taking the path of maximum resistance just for the sake of it doesn't make you part of an elite, it just makes you silly(IMHO). I use Linux for security, but for dev, MS rocks :-D
Dave Goodman on funny error messages:
It is a definite no-no to run BITMAP as a user command. Your nose will grow, your lawn will die, your hair will fall out, and your first-born will marry an aardvark. Shame on you!I use Linux for home because it's free, and because I can afford the development tools. For work I use Windows because that's what I'm paid to use, and the company foots the bill for the tools. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Jon Sagara wrote: Without fail, *every* time the prof mentioned Windows, this kid that sat next to me would audibly say, "Windows sucks!" He just had a blind hatred for Microsoft. That's just some punk kid who wants to be seen as "cool" or that has some secret knowledge. He's absolutely wrong about his claim that "windows sucks", because it doesn't (at least not the real OS part of it). Microsoft is a compeletely different thing altogether, and as a company, it does most certainly suck. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: That's just some punk kid who wants to be seen as "cool" or that has some secret knowledge. He's absolutely wrong about his claim that "windows sucks", because it doesn't (at least not the real OS part of it). Microsoft is a compeletely different thing altogether, and as a company, it does most certainly suck. This is what really bugs me, is when they don't even know what a program is, if it says Microsoft or Windows it must suck. -:suss:Matt Newman / Windows XP Activist:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179
"You can't seriously believe that you could get away with suing someone over quoting text from a message posted in a public forum, can you?" - John Simmons
