Something to know about Christopher Monckton
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Christian Graus wrote:
It points to his willingness to say what he thinks, even if it's unpopular. But, as I keep saying, in 1987, it was generally believed that AIDS was a gay disease.
I was barely around for that, but I've heard that. Since not much was known about it back then I can see how that would be the case however myopic at the time. As another poster has said earlier in the thread he took back the statement later. What do you know about what made people think it was generally a gay disease? "bogans" that's a funny word, I understand the meaning, but it's still funny to me. :laugh:
wolfbinary wrote:
What do you know about what made people think it was generally a gay disease?
It started in the gay community. People thought it was a gay disease because almost everyone who had it, was gay.
wolfbinary wrote:
"bogans" that's a funny word, I understand the meaning, but it's still funny to me.
I don't know where it comes from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan[^] doesn't know, either.
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Your right to swing your fist stops at my nose. If you're contagious with something highly communicable you're punching everyone who comes near you in the face. Likewise your right to yell "Fire!" stops with my right not to be trampled in a mob, to have my taxes wasted due to your false alarm, and to have my property destroyed because the fire fighters were responding to your false alarm when mine caught fire.
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How about when a company does something criminal? What rights do companies have?
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Christian Graus wrote:
assuming he is a homophobe
No way. He went to Harrow. :)
Bob Emmett
What do you mean by Harrow? I'm not familiar with that reference, as I'm from the states.
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What do you mean by Harrow? I'm not familiar with that reference, as I'm from the states.
I assume it's a school, and British boarding schools in particular are 'known' for gay activity.
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Whenever I see BS posts I tend to look up some aspect of it, like the person spewing the trash someone has posted about. Wikipedia had an interesting bit on his position on AIDS. Monckton's views on how the AIDS epidemic should be tackled have been the subject of some controversy. In an article for The American Spectator entitled "AIDS: A British View",[43] written for the January 1987 issue of The American Spectator, he argued that "there is only one way to stop AIDS. That is to screen the entire population regularly and to quarantine all carriers of the disease for life. Every member of the population should be blood-tested every month ... all those found to be infected with the virus, even if only as carriers, should be isolated compulsorily, immediately, and permanently." This would involve isolating between 1.5 and 3 million people in the United States ("not altogether impossible") and another 30,000 people in the UK ("not insuperably difficult"). The article was highly controversial, with The American Spectator's then assistant managing editor, Andrew Ferguson, denouncing it in the letters column of the same issue.[44] Monckton appeared on the BBC's Panorama programme in February 1987 to discuss his views and present the results of an opinion poll that found public support for his position.[36] In 1999 the British gay rights group OutRage! launched a campaign to force the manufacturer of Monckton's Eternity Puzzle to disassociate itself from him because of his views.[45] Monckton has since clarified his views on AIDS, stating that "the article was written at the very outset of the AIDS epidemic, and with 33 million people around the world now infected, the possibility of [quarantine] is laughable. It couldn't work." source: wiki[^] If this is how he thinks about AIDS. He obviously doesn't think before he speaks. Neither does CSS apparently. Monckton doesn't have any problem with locking people up for having AIDS and seems to think that they all come from gay people. The problem I have with people taking these obtuse positions on things is they don't leave any room to be wrong. They vilify people who don't agree or poke holes in their reasoning or lack of it. Pssst CSS that's you I'm talking about.
wolfbinary wrote:
He obviously doesn't think before he speaks.
How do you work that one out? In 1987, that would have been a sensible option (assuming that there was some way of testing that was failsafe, there were facilities to house everyone etc). It might not have been a popular opinion, but to suggest that he didn't think before he spoke is a little disingenuous.
wolfbinary wrote:
seems to think that they all come from gay people.
Where in the quote does it say anything about gay people? (Apart from the gay rights activists.)
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Whenever I see BS posts I tend to look up some aspect of it, like the person spewing the trash someone has posted about. Wikipedia had an interesting bit on his position on AIDS. Monckton's views on how the AIDS epidemic should be tackled have been the subject of some controversy. In an article for The American Spectator entitled "AIDS: A British View",[43] written for the January 1987 issue of The American Spectator, he argued that "there is only one way to stop AIDS. That is to screen the entire population regularly and to quarantine all carriers of the disease for life. Every member of the population should be blood-tested every month ... all those found to be infected with the virus, even if only as carriers, should be isolated compulsorily, immediately, and permanently." This would involve isolating between 1.5 and 3 million people in the United States ("not altogether impossible") and another 30,000 people in the UK ("not insuperably difficult"). The article was highly controversial, with The American Spectator's then assistant managing editor, Andrew Ferguson, denouncing it in the letters column of the same issue.[44] Monckton appeared on the BBC's Panorama programme in February 1987 to discuss his views and present the results of an opinion poll that found public support for his position.[36] In 1999 the British gay rights group OutRage! launched a campaign to force the manufacturer of Monckton's Eternity Puzzle to disassociate itself from him because of his views.[45] Monckton has since clarified his views on AIDS, stating that "the article was written at the very outset of the AIDS epidemic, and with 33 million people around the world now infected, the possibility of [quarantine] is laughable. It couldn't work." source: wiki[^] If this is how he thinks about AIDS. He obviously doesn't think before he speaks. Neither does CSS apparently. Monckton doesn't have any problem with locking people up for having AIDS and seems to think that they all come from gay people. The problem I have with people taking these obtuse positions on things is they don't leave any room to be wrong. They vilify people who don't agree or poke holes in their reasoning or lack of it. Pssst CSS that's you I'm talking about.
Something else to know about Monckton is that he made this comment 23 years ago and was not stating his own idea but instead was bringing forward information from disease control experts. Media Matters recently wrote a piece on this and it was very misleading. I know this is going to shock you, but I know Monckton and he cares very deeply for those who either are dying or have died from AIDS. If you follow these links you'll see one, that he tears up every time he talks about those who have died and two, he's working on a cure for HIV patients because he cares so deeply for them. For future reference, Media Matters and Wiki are not good places to go for object information on skeptics. Both have an anti-skeptic agenda that is far from hidden. http://www.hootervillegazette.com/truthmatterstoo.html[^] http://www.hootervillegazette.com/mofb.html[^] I bring this information to you in spirit of cooperation. Had I read the wiki piece only, I would have drawn the same conclusion you did. Sincerely, Mark Gillar P.S. Private email replies will be answered.
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What do you mean by Harrow? I'm not familiar with that reference, as I'm from the states.
wolfbinary wrote:
What do you mean by Harrow?
Harrow[^] and Eton[^] are the top private schools for the upper classes (or those that can pay and aren't complete oiks). As they are boys only boarding schools, containing effete aristocrats, it is assumed by we oiks that certain "relationships" are formed.
wolfbinary wrote:
I'm from the states
Then a further explanation is required. Oik: derogatory, slang, a person regarded as inferior because ignorant, ill-educated, or lower-class.
Bob Emmett
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wolfbinary wrote:
He obviously doesn't think before he speaks.
How do you work that one out? In 1987, that would have been a sensible option (assuming that there was some way of testing that was failsafe, there were facilities to house everyone etc). It might not have been a popular opinion, but to suggest that he didn't think before he spoke is a little disingenuous.
wolfbinary wrote:
seems to think that they all come from gay people.
Where in the quote does it say anything about gay people? (Apart from the gay rights activists.)
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_Damian S_ wrote:
there were facilities to house everyone etc
He later came back to say that it was impractical. They new by 1987 that it wasn't airborne.
_Damian S_ wrote:
Where in the quote does it say anything about gay people? (Apart from the gay rights activists.)
I got that from the title of the article the wiki entry sites as a source. It was called something like "The Heterosexual AIDS myth". Sounds rather insightful.
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Something else to know about Monckton is that he made this comment 23 years ago and was not stating his own idea but instead was bringing forward information from disease control experts. Media Matters recently wrote a piece on this and it was very misleading. I know this is going to shock you, but I know Monckton and he cares very deeply for those who either are dying or have died from AIDS. If you follow these links you'll see one, that he tears up every time he talks about those who have died and two, he's working on a cure for HIV patients because he cares so deeply for them. For future reference, Media Matters and Wiki are not good places to go for object information on skeptics. Both have an anti-skeptic agenda that is far from hidden. http://www.hootervillegazette.com/truthmatterstoo.html[^] http://www.hootervillegazette.com/mofb.html[^] I bring this information to you in spirit of cooperation. Had I read the wiki piece only, I would have drawn the same conclusion you did. Sincerely, Mark Gillar P.S. Private email replies will be answered.
Mark E. Gillar wrote:
Media Matters and Wiki are not good places to go for object information on skeptics. Both have an anti-skeptic agenda that is far from hidden.
Where do you get that idea from? wikipedia is community editable. You're two links sound resoundingly similar to being one or two shades from prisonplanet or infowar links. The point was to look up additional information about the sources who spout things and to dig to the original source. Regardless of whether or not Monckton was repeating what someone else said or not or that it was 23 years ago. This stuff gets recorded and becomes part of their history. I can admit when I'm wrong which is also part of the point of the post. How do you know what you know? I may have been a bit hasty in some of my conclusions. I don't have enough information to necessarily keep the conclusions I have made.
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Something else to know about Monckton is that he made this comment 23 years ago and was not stating his own idea but instead was bringing forward information from disease control experts. Media Matters recently wrote a piece on this and it was very misleading. I know this is going to shock you, but I know Monckton and he cares very deeply for those who either are dying or have died from AIDS. If you follow these links you'll see one, that he tears up every time he talks about those who have died and two, he's working on a cure for HIV patients because he cares so deeply for them. For future reference, Media Matters and Wiki are not good places to go for object information on skeptics. Both have an anti-skeptic agenda that is far from hidden. http://www.hootervillegazette.com/truthmatterstoo.html[^] http://www.hootervillegazette.com/mofb.html[^] I bring this information to you in spirit of cooperation. Had I read the wiki piece only, I would have drawn the same conclusion you did. Sincerely, Mark Gillar P.S. Private email replies will be answered.