This is gay
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There is a word for people who bemoan the loss of the word 'gay', yet never would have used it otherwise. It's in 'the meaning of liff', I think. I tend to say things are gay quite a bit, so I found this amusing. I mean, I am not homophobic at all, I don't care what other people do in the privacy of their own homes. I just grew up with 'gay' meaning 'sucks' as well as 'likes peope of the same gender'.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
There is a word for people who bemoan the loss of the word 'gay', yet never would have used it otherwise.
By what prescience could anyone know whether that person would have used 'gay' had it not been misappropriated? I can assure you that it was in use (in the UK at least) before its misappropriation to indicate light-hearted, bright and breezy, cheerful, etc.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's in 'the meaning of liff',
Well, there you go. Douglas Adams was too young to remember when 'gay' was used with its original meaning. I lived in Chelsea (where, when Boy met Girl, neither could tell the difference, and neither cared), and did not hear 'gay' used to denote male homosexuality until the early 1960s, and then from an American. Certainly, 'fairy', 'poof', 'queen' and 'queer' were the terms most commonly used.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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Christian Graus wrote:
There is a word for people who bemoan the loss of the word 'gay', yet never would have used it otherwise.
By what prescience could anyone know whether that person would have used 'gay' had it not been misappropriated? I can assure you that it was in use (in the UK at least) before its misappropriation to indicate light-hearted, bright and breezy, cheerful, etc.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's in 'the meaning of liff',
Well, there you go. Douglas Adams was too young to remember when 'gay' was used with its original meaning. I lived in Chelsea (where, when Boy met Girl, neither could tell the difference, and neither cared), and did not hear 'gay' used to denote male homosexuality until the early 1960s, and then from an American. Certainly, 'fairy', 'poof', 'queen' and 'queer' were the terms most commonly used.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
Bob Emmett wrote:
By what prescience could anyone know whether that person would have used 'gay' had it not been misappropriated?
Well, I guess the real point is, that the meaning of the word has evolved, and other words have taken it's place. The word was not 'lost' in any meaningful sense, we don't lack words to express what it used to mean.
Bob Emmett wrote:
Certainly, 'fairy', 'poof', 'queen' and 'queer' were the terms most commonly used.
Were British people complaining about the loss of the words 'fairy' and 'queen' ? :P
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Dude, your post was totally 16-year-old-boy-with-a-cheesey-moustache. That's far too hard to type to take off......
Antoine de Saint-Exupery: Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
By what prescience could anyone know whether that person would have used 'gay' had it not been misappropriated?
Well, I guess the real point is, that the meaning of the word has evolved, and other words have taken it's place. The word was not 'lost' in any meaningful sense, we don't lack words to express what it used to mean.
Bob Emmett wrote:
Certainly, 'fairy', 'poof', 'queen' and 'queer' were the terms most commonly used.
Were British people complaining about the loss of the words 'fairy' and 'queen' ? :P
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, I guess the real point is, that the meaning of the word has evolved,
The point I hoped to make was: The statement "There is a word for people who bemoan the loss of the word 'gay', yet never would have used it otherwise." would require prescience. (In order to determine the future 'otherwise' condition, before it was precluded by the introduction of the new meaning of 'gay'.)
Christian Graus wrote:
Were British people complaining about the loss of the words 'fairy' and 'queen'?
I nearly commented on fairy, queen and queer as 'misappropriated' words, but felt that the post was already too long. (As, indeed, is this. :) )
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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Christian Graus wrote:
Well, I guess the real point is, that the meaning of the word has evolved,
The point I hoped to make was: The statement "There is a word for people who bemoan the loss of the word 'gay', yet never would have used it otherwise." would require prescience. (In order to determine the future 'otherwise' condition, before it was precluded by the introduction of the new meaning of 'gay'.)
Christian Graus wrote:
Were British people complaining about the loss of the words 'fairy' and 'queen'?
I nearly commented on fairy, queen and queer as 'misappropriated' words, but felt that the post was already too long. (As, indeed, is this. :) )
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
Bob Emmett wrote:
The point I hoped to make was: The statement "There is a word for people who bemoan the loss of the word 'gay', yet never would have used it otherwise." would require prescience. (In order to determine the future 'otherwise' condition, before it was precluded by the introduction of the new meaning of 'gay'.)
*grin* well, it WAS a book written in humour.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ejCqgAKZ-M&feature=channel[^]
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Eh? How the hell do you define 'Gay'? Lat time I noticed it meant 'homo' or occasionally 'happy'!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Eh? How the hell do you define 'Gay'? Lat time I noticed it meant 'homo' or occasionally 'happy'!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I thought I'd do a few CSS style posts and see if he responded.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
The point I hoped to make was: The statement "There is a word for people who bemoan the loss of the word 'gay', yet never would have used it otherwise." would require prescience. (In order to determine the future 'otherwise' condition, before it was precluded by the introduction of the new meaning of 'gay'.)
*grin* well, it WAS a book written in humour.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I see OriginalGriff has posted the actual quote: "even though they had never used the word in any context at all until they started complaining that they couldn't use it any more." Which would require no prescience. I'll go away now. :)
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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I see OriginalGriff has posted the actual quote: "even though they had never used the word in any context at all until they started complaining that they couldn't use it any more." Which would require no prescience. I'll go away now. :)
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
"The great tragedy of Science — the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact." Thomas Henry Huxley Sorry about that - didn't mean to rain on your parade! :-D
If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
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"The great tragedy of Science — the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact." Thomas Henry Huxley Sorry about that - didn't mean to rain on your parade! :-D
If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
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I thought I'd do a few CSS style posts and see if he responded.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I thought I'd do a few CSS style posts and see if he responded.
So it's not enough that you feed and nurture him, now you have to be him? :zzz:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
"The great tragedy of Science — the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact CRU's Information Systems."
FTFY :)
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
Bob Emmett @ The Isle of the Dead? I didn't know you were Welsh! Paul Griffin @ Ynys Uchaf
If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ejCqgAKZ-M&feature=channel[^]
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
It's got a point.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Christian Graus wrote:
I thought I'd do a few CSS style posts and see if he responded.
So it's not enough that you feed and nurture him, now you have to be him? :zzz:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
*grin* this forum is very quiet, so I thought I'd mix it up a bit.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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It's got a point.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Yeah, I can see that. I know I never say anything is gay at our family gatherings, which include two gay people. But, I couldn't resist a cheap joke.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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*grin* this forum is very quiet, so I thought I'd mix it up a bit.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
That's not mixing it up. You can't complain about his behavior and then emulate it saying look how cool I can be doing it, too. Instead of offering to pay for CSS seeing a shrink, maybe you should do something about the obsession you have for him?
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Bob Emmett @ The Isle of the Dead? I didn't know you were Welsh! Paul Griffin @ Ynys Uchaf
If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
OriginalGriff wrote:
I didn't know you were Welsh!
Neither did I! How did that happen? :) I am afraid the sig. is due to 'Gillian'. 'She' referred to Britain as the Isle of the Dead. I used its British form in my reply, and have retained it.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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That's not mixing it up. You can't complain about his behavior and then emulate it saying look how cool I can be doing it, too. Instead of offering to pay for CSS seeing a shrink, maybe you should do something about the obsession you have for him?
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
ROTFL. Fact is, I am not posting in Oakman's love in forum anymore, and as I work from home, sometimes I get bored when it's quiet.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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ROTFL. Fact is, I am not posting in Oakman's love in forum anymore, and as I work from home, sometimes I get bored when it's quiet.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I only lasted a few days in Oakman's thinkless tank. Too many arbitrarily enforced rules for my taste. And taking pot shots at CSS can be fun now and then but you've gone way over the top. And you already had your conspiracy theories about the US to start! :laugh:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
