South Carolina Lawmaker Seeks to Ban Federal Currency
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As the Palmetto Scoop first reported, Pitts, a Republican, introduced legislation this month banning "the unconstitutional substitution of Federal Reserve Notes for silver and gold coin" in South Carolina.[^] This guy is bright. This is what all states need to do. It's the Silver Bullet, the Golden Ticket to freedom, prosperity, and the downfall of corrupt big government. Their power comes from the control over our currency, and this is how you extinguish them.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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As the Palmetto Scoop first reported, Pitts, a Republican, introduced legislation this month banning "the unconstitutional substitution of Federal Reserve Notes for silver and gold coin" in South Carolina.[^] This guy is bright. This is what all states need to do. It's the Silver Bullet, the Golden Ticket to freedom, prosperity, and the downfall of corrupt big government. Their power comes from the control over our currency, and this is how you extinguish them.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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Wow! The guy has got guts to challenge something that has prevailed over the years. Although I don't think he would win since he is fighting against an obviously more powerful opponent.
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Dude, took you long enough, saw that last night. Instantly thought. "It'll be a cut and paste before 8am eastern" You failed me buddy.
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As the Palmetto Scoop first reported, Pitts, a Republican, introduced legislation this month banning "the unconstitutional substitution of Federal Reserve Notes for silver and gold coin" in South Carolina.[^] This guy is bright. This is what all states need to do. It's the Silver Bullet, the Golden Ticket to freedom, prosperity, and the downfall of corrupt big government. Their power comes from the control over our currency, and this is how you extinguish them.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
Was wondering when you'd pop back in here. Good to see you're posting from something a little more credible than PrisonPlanet. Granted, all it shows is that a Republican in South Carolina (Gee, South Carolina, what a surprise) is completely clueless... But hey, it's not Alex Jones!
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Dude, took you long enough, saw that last night. Instantly thought. "It'll be a cut and paste before 8am eastern" You failed me buddy.
and I replied to wrong guy. fail.
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As the Palmetto Scoop first reported, Pitts, a Republican, introduced legislation this month banning "the unconstitutional substitution of Federal Reserve Notes for silver and gold coin" in South Carolina.[^] This guy is bright. This is what all states need to do. It's the Silver Bullet, the Golden Ticket to freedom, prosperity, and the downfall of corrupt big government. Their power comes from the control over our currency, and this is how you extinguish them.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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Have you seen Georgia HB 430? Constitutional Tender Act. From what I understand they haven't voted on it or anything, but they've started talking about it.
That's as far as it'll probably go, anyway... Whether you like it or not, the power to regulate currency falls squarely into the hands of the FEDERAL government, not the states. From CSS's linked article: As one expert told the Scoop, however, his bill would likely be ruled unconstitutional because it "violates a perfectly legal and Constitutional federal law, enacted pursuant to the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution, that federal reserve notes are legal tender for all debts public and private."
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel) -
As the Palmetto Scoop first reported, Pitts, a Republican, introduced legislation this month banning "the unconstitutional substitution of Federal Reserve Notes for silver and gold coin" in South Carolina.[^] This guy is bright. This is what all states need to do. It's the Silver Bullet, the Golden Ticket to freedom, prosperity, and the downfall of corrupt big government. Their power comes from the control over our currency, and this is how you extinguish them.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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Have you seen Georgia HB 430? Constitutional Tender Act. From what I understand they haven't voted on it or anything, but they've started talking about it.
josda1000 wrote:
Have you seen Georgia HB 430? Constitutional Tender Act.
Haven't seen it. I will give it a look.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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That's as far as it'll probably go, anyway... Whether you like it or not, the power to regulate currency falls squarely into the hands of the FEDERAL government, not the states. From CSS's linked article: As one expert told the Scoop, however, his bill would likely be ruled unconstitutional because it "violates a perfectly legal and Constitutional federal law, enacted pursuant to the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution, that federal reserve notes are legal tender for all debts public and private."
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Whether you like it or not, the power to regulate currency falls squarely into the hands of the FEDERAL government, not the states.
Congress to be precise, and they only have the authority to coin money and regulate the value thereof. The Federal Reserve is not a federal entity, it is a private bank given ill gotten powers. The federal government is not legitimate, and its the states job to reform the confederation.
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God, after all that fat_boy related idiocy, it's actually good to see you back... ;)
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That's as far as it'll probably go, anyway... Whether you like it or not, the power to regulate currency falls squarely into the hands of the FEDERAL government, not the states. From CSS's linked article: As one expert told the Scoop, however, his bill would likely be ruled unconstitutional because it "violates a perfectly legal and Constitutional federal law, enacted pursuant to the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution, that federal reserve notes are legal tender for all debts public and private."
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Whether you like it or not, the power to regulate currency falls squarely into the hands of the FEDERAL government, not the states.
Actually, you're right. However, it's not completely accurate. Article I, Section 10: No state shall... coin Money... Make any Thing but gold and silver coin a tender in Payments of Debt. It does say that they can't make their own currency. But it also says that they can't make anything except gold and silver legal tender. Therefore, the Federal government is forcing the states to break a federal constitutional law. Therefore, the Fed is unlawful. It really is that simple.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Whether you like it or not, the power to regulate currency falls squarely into the hands of the FEDERAL government, not the states.
Actually, you're right. However, it's not completely accurate. Article I, Section 10: No state shall... coin Money... Make any Thing but gold and silver coin a tender in Payments of Debt. It does say that they can't make their own currency. But it also says that they can't make anything except gold and silver legal tender. Therefore, the Federal government is forcing the states to break a federal constitutional law. Therefore, the Fed is unlawful. It really is that simple.
Article 1, Section 8: "Congress shall have power [...] To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;" In the Federal Reserve Act, they delegated this power to the Fed. See paragraph 2 of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondelegation_doctrine[^]. Article 1, Section 10 says that no STATE shall coin money or make anything but gold or silver a tender. Only the Federal government can do that.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Article 1, Section 8: "Congress shall have power [...] To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;" In the Federal Reserve Act, they delegated this power to the Fed. See paragraph 2 of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondelegation_doctrine[^]. Article 1, Section 10 says that no STATE shall coin money or make anything but gold or silver a tender. Only the Federal government can do that.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Article 1, Section 10 says that no STATE shall coin money or make anything but gold or silver a tender. Only the Federal government can do that.
That's what I said. The Federal government MUST make gold and silver coin tender, it's not they're ALLOWED to do so. They cannot emit bills of credit either, just as the states can't, for the very fact that the states are part of the federation, and if people must follow the law, then they cannot use any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payments of debt. So, if the federal government emits bills of credit as opposed to gold and silver coin, they are forcing the states to break their own law. A side note: why the hell would the united states constitution say, "The Congress shall have Power... to fix the standard of weights and measures", if we don't have gold or silver coin as a tender in payments of debt? You do know about the Continental, the currency we used before our dollar of the united states, i assume. This is precisely why this power is set inside the constitution. The power to coin money is given to Congress. Coining money is specific: it pertains to gold and silver coin. It has nothing to do with bills of credit (FRNs). Banks make their own money (or, they used to, and currently the central bank does continue to do so, by "law"). But money is money is money, and we will have to eventually get back to the Constitution, because we can't go on like this forever.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Article 1, Section 10 says that no STATE shall coin money or make anything but gold or silver a tender. Only the Federal government can do that.
That's what I said. The Federal government MUST make gold and silver coin tender, it's not they're ALLOWED to do so. They cannot emit bills of credit either, just as the states can't, for the very fact that the states are part of the federation, and if people must follow the law, then they cannot use any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payments of debt. So, if the federal government emits bills of credit as opposed to gold and silver coin, they are forcing the states to break their own law. A side note: why the hell would the united states constitution say, "The Congress shall have Power... to fix the standard of weights and measures", if we don't have gold or silver coin as a tender in payments of debt? You do know about the Continental, the currency we used before our dollar of the united states, i assume. This is precisely why this power is set inside the constitution. The power to coin money is given to Congress. Coining money is specific: it pertains to gold and silver coin. It has nothing to do with bills of credit (FRNs). Banks make their own money (or, they used to, and currently the central bank does continue to do so, by "law"). But money is money is money, and we will have to eventually get back to the Constitution, because we can't go on like this forever.
josda1000 wrote:
The Federal government MUST make gold and silver coin tender
Where does it say that? It says the states can't "make anything but gold and silver a tender." As in, the states are not allowed to create their own currency. They can't print their own money, and they can't suddenly decree that nuts and bolts are now legal tender. It makes an exception for gold and silver, saying that those two metals CAN be used as currency if the state so wishes. In our case, the federal government has made FRNs a tender, and the states just use them.
josda1000 wrote:
A side note: why the hell would the united states constitution say, "The Congress shall have Power... to fix the standard of weights and measures", if we don't have gold or silver coin as a tender in payments of debt? You do know about the Continental, the currency we used before our dollar of the united states, i assume. This is precisely why this power is set inside the constitution.
Because if we WERE to use a metal-backed currency, the government would need the power to define its value in terms of that metal. The founding fathers were making sure this was possible, but not requiring it to be so. I think they were smart enough to know that they couldn't foresee the future, so only put what CAN be done, not what MUST be done.
josda1000 wrote:
The power to coin money is given to Congress. Coining money is specific: it pertains to gold and silver coin. It has nothing to do with bills of credit
Assuming you're not trying to differentiate between creating metal coins, and printing paper currency ("coining" vs "minting"), and interpret it, as I do, as the power to "create money." What defines what is and isn't money? To use a fictional example, there's a bit in Hitchhiker's Guide where the Golgafrinchans adopt the leaf (As in, leaves from trees) as legal tender. It's a silly example, but technically that's as valid as selecting gold or silver to be legal tender (As valid, not as intelligent). Money is a medium of exchange... Something that people agree have a certain value. It can be metal, leaves, pieces of paper, human skulls, or whatever people want, as long as they agree on its value. It's just a means of barter. In our case, (nearly) all of us believe that FRNs have a certain (declining) value, so it's suitable to use as currency. In thi
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josda1000 wrote:
The Federal government MUST make gold and silver coin tender
Where does it say that? It says the states can't "make anything but gold and silver a tender." As in, the states are not allowed to create their own currency. They can't print their own money, and they can't suddenly decree that nuts and bolts are now legal tender. It makes an exception for gold and silver, saying that those two metals CAN be used as currency if the state so wishes. In our case, the federal government has made FRNs a tender, and the states just use them.
josda1000 wrote:
A side note: why the hell would the united states constitution say, "The Congress shall have Power... to fix the standard of weights and measures", if we don't have gold or silver coin as a tender in payments of debt? You do know about the Continental, the currency we used before our dollar of the united states, i assume. This is precisely why this power is set inside the constitution.
Because if we WERE to use a metal-backed currency, the government would need the power to define its value in terms of that metal. The founding fathers were making sure this was possible, but not requiring it to be so. I think they were smart enough to know that they couldn't foresee the future, so only put what CAN be done, not what MUST be done.
josda1000 wrote:
The power to coin money is given to Congress. Coining money is specific: it pertains to gold and silver coin. It has nothing to do with bills of credit
Assuming you're not trying to differentiate between creating metal coins, and printing paper currency ("coining" vs "minting"), and interpret it, as I do, as the power to "create money." What defines what is and isn't money? To use a fictional example, there's a bit in Hitchhiker's Guide where the Golgafrinchans adopt the leaf (As in, leaves from trees) as legal tender. It's a silly example, but technically that's as valid as selecting gold or silver to be legal tender (As valid, not as intelligent). Money is a medium of exchange... Something that people agree have a certain value. It can be metal, leaves, pieces of paper, human skulls, or whatever people want, as long as they agree on its value. It's just a means of barter. In our case, (nearly) all of us believe that FRNs have a certain (declining) value, so it's suitable to use as currency. In thi
Ian Shlasko wrote:
It says the states can't "make anything but gold and silver a tender." As in, the states are not allowed to create their own currency.
Sorry, but you're wrong here. The states can't make currency because of: Article I, Section 10: "No state shall... coin Money". That is five words that will discount all money minted/coined by the state governments. "mak[ing] any Thing but gold and silver coin a tender in Payments of Debt" is a separate issue, and allows any gold and silver found by people, coined by governments (even our federal government), or any other form (jewelry, bars, coins, whatever) to be tender. The only way for the states to deem something a true transaction is by use of silver and gold, not paper. I know, this is against all of what you have believed all of your life, but it's the truth. It's right there in black and white (or brown, as it were).
Ian Shlasko wrote:
They can't print their own money, and they can't suddenly decree that nuts and bolts are now legal tender. It makes an exception for gold and silver, saying that those two metals CAN be used as currency if the state so wishes.
Incorrect. Why in the hell would they specify gold and silver in the Constitution anywhere, if they can simply get around it by allowing the federation to create money out of paper? Ridiculous. "No state shall... coin Money... make any thing but gold and silver coin a tender in payments of debt." To you, it must be redundancy. But to me, as a constitutionalist, it's two different clauses. Technically, you know I'd be right. The point is, to beat a dead horse, that they are two different things. No state shall make currency, and they shall not accept anything except gold and silver as legal tender in the first place.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
In our case, the federal government has made FRNs a tender, and the states just use them.
Yes. They did. It's unconstitutional to allow people to use anything but gold and silver, however (in the states). So, both the states and the federal government have violated the constitution, and technically, so have everyone within the union. Everyone violates the law, multiple times a day. It's extreme, I know. But, it's the truth. Take a good hard look at the constitution. Don't "interpret" to your satisfaction. Just read the damned thing.