Apple and kids
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Christian Graus wrote:
Coke or Pepsi paying to sell their products in schools in America
in '93 coke refused to allow my school's tuck shop to sell their product if they also stocked pepsi
Coke and Pepsi have been paying to have exclusive rights at the Ohio State fair for years. One year no Pepsi another no Coke. Vendors have major issues with that. A major fast food chain quite having a restaurant after many years because they only sell Code and only Pepsi was allowed.:confused:
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Or that American greed and apathy is the fuel that keeps it going ?
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Aren't you a contracting programmer?
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It shouldn't be any surprise that slave labor is the engine of China's economy.
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Hey, slave labor makes economic sense, in a purely capitalist society. "Minimum wage" is part of a socialist agenda. Competition between job seekers drives salaries down, just as competition between employers would lift them up. Disclaimer: I don't support slave labor, obviously... But it's an interesting way to make the point that pure capitalism can be just as bad as pure socialism.
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Hey, slave labor makes economic sense, in a purely capitalist society. "Minimum wage" is part of a socialist agenda. Competition between job seekers drives salaries down, just as competition between employers would lift them up. Disclaimer: I don't support slave labor, obviously... But it's an interesting way to make the point that pure capitalism can be just as bad as pure socialism.
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't support slave labor, obviously... But it's an interesting way to make the point that pure capitalism can be just as bad as pure socialism.
Hey now, don't go using that new fangled thing called 'your brain' on us here simple country folk. :laugh:
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Disclaimer: I don't support slave labor, obviously... But it's an interesting way to make the point that pure capitalism can be just as bad as pure socialism.
Hey now, don't go using that new fangled thing called 'your brain' on us here simple country folk. :laugh:
Brain? Nah, he doesn't wake up until at least 11am... These are Ian's fingers talking... We've learned, over the years, to work independently of central command when there's no one on duty in HQ. Actually, the eyes are staring at a muted TV right now, the brain is making itself some mental coffee and trying to start the ignition, and the imagination is hard at work trying to resolve a plot hole in the latest draft of Sentinels of Xen...
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Or that American greed and apathy is the fuel that keeps it going ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Or that corrupt governments cooperating on an international level enabling it?
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Hey, slave labor makes economic sense, in a purely capitalist society. "Minimum wage" is part of a socialist agenda. Competition between job seekers drives salaries down, just as competition between employers would lift them up. Disclaimer: I don't support slave labor, obviously... But it's an interesting way to make the point that pure capitalism can be just as bad as pure socialism.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Socialism/Communism employ slave labor. When your wealth is forcibly confiscated, and re-spent on labor and then forcibly confiscated again, that is slavery. Capitalism is an economic and social system in which capital and land, the non-labor factors of production (also known as the means of production), are privately owned; labor, goods and resources are traded in markets; and profit, after taxes, is distributed to the owners or invested in technologies and, industries. A Austrian economic capitalist society of individual property rights and personal liberty based on the constitution with a mechanism to enforce it is the perfect environment for all people to thrive economically. We live in an extremely Keynesian socialist society of consolidation of power and corruption, based on the communist manifesto with a developing global bureaucracy to carry out the will of illegitimate tyrants.
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Socialism/Communism employ slave labor. When your wealth is forcibly confiscated, and re-spent on labor and then forcibly confiscated again, that is slavery. Capitalism is an economic and social system in which capital and land, the non-labor factors of production (also known as the means of production), are privately owned; labor, goods and resources are traded in markets; and profit, after taxes, is distributed to the owners or invested in technologies and, industries. A Austrian economic capitalist society of individual property rights and personal liberty based on the constitution with a mechanism to enforce it is the perfect environment for all people to thrive economically. We live in an extremely Keynesian socialist society of consolidation of power and corruption, based on the communist manifesto with a developing global bureaucracy to carry out the will of illegitimate tyrants.
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Except in this context, "slave labor" is really referring to "sweat shops", unless of course you think they're chained up and force to work against their will. Now, a sweat shop is just like any other job, except with much lower pay and generally poor working conditions. That's the product of unregulated capitalism. If you make that illegal by enforcing a minimum wage, well that's an element of socialism.
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Except in this context, "slave labor" is really referring to "sweat shops", unless of course you think they're chained up and force to work against their will. Now, a sweat shop is just like any other job, except with much lower pay and generally poor working conditions. That's the product of unregulated capitalism. If you make that illegal by enforcing a minimum wage, well that's an element of socialism.
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)It is a modern form of slavery. A government enacting a law declaring slavery illegal is not socialism. It is enforcing basic property rights and personal liberty. Socialism is when the government owns the means of production (IE publicly owned), and controlled by the government.
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It is a modern form of slavery. A government enacting a law declaring slavery illegal is not socialism. It is enforcing basic property rights and personal liberty. Socialism is when the government owns the means of production (IE publicly owned), and controlled by the government.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
A sweat shop doesn't infringe on property rights or personal liberty. The employees are free to leave that job whenever they want. No one is forcing them to come to work. They work at that job because it's likely the only one available to them. In a purely capitalistic society, employers are going to make the simple calculation of Salary vs Productivity. They'll set the salary as low as they can, without losing too much productivity... The only thing that forces them to raise it, is competition. But if there are many more people looking for jobs, than there are jobs, then the employers don't have to compete.
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A sweat shop doesn't infringe on property rights or personal liberty. The employees are free to leave that job whenever they want. No one is forcing them to come to work. They work at that job because it's likely the only one available to them. In a purely capitalistic society, employers are going to make the simple calculation of Salary vs Productivity. They'll set the salary as low as they can, without losing too much productivity... The only thing that forces them to raise it, is competition. But if there are many more people looking for jobs, than there are jobs, then the employers don't have to compete.
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Ian Shlasko wrote:
A sweat shop doesn't infringe on property rights or personal liberty.
The ones in China do, which is the subject of the conversation. They employ slave labor, enforced by an authoritarian regime whoes ideologies came from a the genocidal maniac who slaughtered 80mil Chinese in a cultural revolution. Mao is on every Yen note. They live in the factories, they work 20 hours a day, sometimes they work 48 hours strait.
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Aren't you a contracting programmer?
Kind of. I mostly work for American firms long term, I've been a contracting programmer mostly because it's too difficult to turn me in to a full time US employee.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Or that corrupt governments cooperating on an international level enabling it?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
Well, government act in the interests of the people who vote them in, or, rather, they act in a way that they feel will win their votes next time. If Americans were not running their country in to the ground in the name of cheap imports, then your government would not support that.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
A sweat shop doesn't infringe on property rights or personal liberty.
The ones in China do, which is the subject of the conversation. They employ slave labor, enforced by an authoritarian regime whoes ideologies came from a the genocidal maniac who slaughtered 80mil Chinese in a cultural revolution. Mao is on every Yen note. They live in the factories, they work 20 hours a day, sometimes they work 48 hours strait.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
You really are pretty dumb, aren't you ? It's been spelled out for you three times in a row, but you can't see past your own fantasies and untruths.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
A sweat shop doesn't infringe on property rights or personal liberty.
The ones in China do, which is the subject of the conversation. They employ slave labor, enforced by an authoritarian regime whoes ideologies came from a the genocidal maniac who slaughtered 80mil Chinese in a cultural revolution. Mao is on every Yen note. They live in the factories, they work 20 hours a day, sometimes they work 48 hours strait.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
Do they, or do they not, have the option to quit? If so, it's not forced labor. True, that option may not be feasible, because they would go broke, but if they're not being held against their will, it's not "slave" labor.
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Do they, or do they not, have the option to quit? If so, it's not forced labor. True, that option may not be feasible, because they would go broke, but if they're not being held against their will, it's not "slave" labor.
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Ian Shlasko wrote:
True, that option may not be feasible, because they would go broke
Which is no different to the people packing the shelves at your local walmart, or making your coffee at starbucks for $4 an hour, or whatever the pathetic US minimum wage is.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
True, that option may not be feasible, because they would go broke
Which is no different to the people packing the shelves at your local walmart, or making your coffee at starbucks for $4 an hour, or whatever the pathetic US minimum wage is.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Except that Walmart is being forced, by the government to pay them at least $7.25 an hour (I think that's what FMW is now). If not for that regulation, those salaries would tend toward sweat shop levels. That's the federal government telling a company what it's allowed to pay its workers. That's not true capitalism. That's an element of socialism... That's the government acting to elevate the lower class in relation to the upper class, to create more equality. Of course those higher wages get passed on to the consumers, but since everyone is paying the same price, the cost is distributed equally. Of course, even with this staring you right in the face, you would never admit that even the smallest amount of socialism could be beneficial... No, that would go against all of your brainwashing dogma Alex Jones ideals... Right?
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Except that Walmart is being forced, by the government to pay them at least $7.25 an hour (I think that's what FMW is now). If not for that regulation, those salaries would tend toward sweat shop levels. That's the federal government telling a company what it's allowed to pay its workers. That's not true capitalism. That's an element of socialism... That's the government acting to elevate the lower class in relation to the upper class, to create more equality. Of course those higher wages get passed on to the consumers, but since everyone is paying the same price, the cost is distributed equally. Of course, even with this staring you right in the face, you would never admit that even the smallest amount of socialism could be beneficial... No, that would go against all of your brainwashing dogma Alex Jones ideals... Right?
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Except that Walmart is being forced, by the government to pay them at least $7.25 an hour
Yes, I know there's a minimum wage in the US. It's about half what the minimum wage is here.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
That's not true capitalism. That's an element of sociali
Yes, as you said above.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Of course, even with this staring you right in the face, you would never admit that even the smallest amount of socialism could be beneficial..
Um... you replied to me :P
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Except that Walmart is being forced, by the government to pay them at least $7.25 an hour
Yes, I know there's a minimum wage in the US. It's about half what the minimum wage is here.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
That's not true capitalism. That's an element of sociali
Yes, as you said above.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Of course, even with this staring you right in the face, you would never admit that even the smallest amount of socialism could be beneficial..
Um... you replied to me :P
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Oops, sorry man... Didn't notice you had joined in... Saw the C and assumed the rest of the name :)
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Oops, sorry man... Didn't notice you had joined in... Saw the C and assumed the rest of the name :)
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)ROTFL !!!! No, CSS bailed on this thread a while ago. Any thread he starts, is way over his head by the time there's a second reply.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.