Brain transplant
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A hypothetical question, about two hypothetical persons called Dave and Frank Frank dies in a tragic accident involving nothing more than a paperclip and a candle, and is ready to be used as a donor. Dave has a heart attack and need a new heart. If Dave has a heart transplant which is taken from the donor Frank, he is still Dave, although he has a new heart. Poor old Dave need a brain transplant now, please don't ask why, cos i don't know. If Dave has a brain transplant, is he still Dave? Or is it now Frank in Dave's body? I guess this question asks if we are just defined as just the brain. Of course everyone would look at Dave and think it him, but really it would be Frank. Or am i wrong?? I think this is quite interesting, but then again, 'I like blinking I do ' :eek: (British Joke) :-D --- Peter M
The process of a heart transplant changes people, not the heart itself. Sure, there might be some slight chemical changes. But those changes are far overshadowed by the trauma of the process. Anything beyond that is romantic or spiritual BS. Now the brain is a totally different subject. Other than the chemical influences our body has on the brain, it is the creator of us. Move the brain, you move the person. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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David Wulff wrote: Wow, you do realise this is the first time we've agreed in weeks don't you Chris? why are people surprised when this happens? :) -c
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LOL. I can't imagine really. ;)
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It reminds me more of Virtual Sexuality, that was shown on Channel Four (yes Paul you did hear me correctly ;)) last night. Look it up in you local video store - it was a good, pleasantly unpredictable and very very funny film.
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David Wulff wrote: Channel Four (yes Paul you did hear me correctly ) :laugh: Paul Why don't you take a good look at yourself and describe what you see - Led Zeppelin, Misty Mountain Hop
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A hypothetical question, about two hypothetical persons called Dave and Frank Frank dies in a tragic accident involving nothing more than a paperclip and a candle, and is ready to be used as a donor. Dave has a heart attack and need a new heart. If Dave has a heart transplant which is taken from the donor Frank, he is still Dave, although he has a new heart. Poor old Dave need a brain transplant now, please don't ask why, cos i don't know. If Dave has a brain transplant, is he still Dave? Or is it now Frank in Dave's body? I guess this question asks if we are just defined as just the brain. Of course everyone would look at Dave and think it him, but really it would be Frank. Or am i wrong?? I think this is quite interesting, but then again, 'I like blinking I do ' :eek: (British Joke) :-D --- Peter M
Peter Mayhew wrote: If Dave has a brain transplant, is he still Dave? Or is it now Frank in Dave's body? I guess this question asks if we are just defined as just the brain. I'd see it like this; there's no such thing as a brain transplant; it's a full body translplant. You are your brain, and your brain is you; the rest is just support.
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A hypothetical question, about two hypothetical persons called Dave and Frank Frank dies in a tragic accident involving nothing more than a paperclip and a candle, and is ready to be used as a donor. Dave has a heart attack and need a new heart. If Dave has a heart transplant which is taken from the donor Frank, he is still Dave, although he has a new heart. Poor old Dave need a brain transplant now, please don't ask why, cos i don't know. If Dave has a brain transplant, is he still Dave? Or is it now Frank in Dave's body? I guess this question asks if we are just defined as just the brain. Of course everyone would look at Dave and think it him, but really it would be Frank. Or am i wrong?? I think this is quite interesting, but then again, 'I like blinking I do ' :eek: (British Joke) :-D --- Peter M
This is the subject of agood book, and movie, by Asimov. I, Robot. You are your brain. That is the sole item recipient of your unicity. Coding is a family business
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there was a robert heilein story about some old guy who got his brain put in some babes body ... cant remember what its called (and i dont have a link for the link police) i think the frave option works for me and stop blinking like that ... unless u wear an anorak god help us all
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
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i vote "Frank in Dave's body" . person = brain on mobile life support. -c
"[it was..] one of those evenings when you feel that not only will there definitely be a revolution, but that the Association of Manufacturers will foot the bill." -- Umberto Eco, Foucault's Pendulum
Chris Losinger wrote: person = brain on mobile life support. Yes, quite true. The body does do all the sensory input though. I'd say that the brain is like a CPU and the spine is the motherboard.
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A hypothetical question, about two hypothetical persons called Dave and Frank Frank dies in a tragic accident involving nothing more than a paperclip and a candle, and is ready to be used as a donor. Dave has a heart attack and need a new heart. If Dave has a heart transplant which is taken from the donor Frank, he is still Dave, although he has a new heart. Poor old Dave need a brain transplant now, please don't ask why, cos i don't know. If Dave has a brain transplant, is he still Dave? Or is it now Frank in Dave's body? I guess this question asks if we are just defined as just the brain. Of course everyone would look at Dave and think it him, but really it would be Frank. Or am i wrong?? I think this is quite interesting, but then again, 'I like blinking I do ' :eek: (British Joke) :-D --- Peter M
This brings me back to a thought that I had a while ago. Your eyes don't create images, they just take patterns of light, and convert them into something that's usable to you. Your Lungs don't create the oxygen you need, they just take in air and convert it into a form that's usable to you. Your digestive system doesn't create food, it just takes what you eat and converts it for you. Pretty much every organ in the body does a task that involves converting something into something else. So who's to say (considering that very little about how the brain works is known) that human conciousness exists totally in the brain. (In other words, could the brain not just be an organ that captures raw conciousness from somewhere else, and just converts it into a form usable by the body?) Yes, I know it's utter speculation, and is almost certainly utter rubbish, so don't bother flaming if you disagree - it was just an interesting thought I had, that I felt like sharing -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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A hypothetical question, about two hypothetical persons called Dave and Frank Frank dies in a tragic accident involving nothing more than a paperclip and a candle, and is ready to be used as a donor. Dave has a heart attack and need a new heart. If Dave has a heart transplant which is taken from the donor Frank, he is still Dave, although he has a new heart. Poor old Dave need a brain transplant now, please don't ask why, cos i don't know. If Dave has a brain transplant, is he still Dave? Or is it now Frank in Dave's body? I guess this question asks if we are just defined as just the brain. Of course everyone would look at Dave and think it him, but really it would be Frank. Or am i wrong?? I think this is quite interesting, but then again, 'I like blinking I do ' :eek: (British Joke) :-D --- Peter M
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there was a robert heilein story about some old guy who got his brain put in some babes body ... cant remember what its called (and i dont have a link for the link police) i think the frave option works for me and stop blinking like that ... unless u wear an anorak god help us all
"... and so i said to him ... if it don't dance (or code) and you can't eat it either f**k it or throw it away"
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