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  • A adamUK

    Hey David, bit steep and can wind up the electric bill but consider getting electric underfloor heating on whichever flooring you choose (okay not carpet). Have it on a timer so it warms it all up nice and toasty for when you get up. Works a treat in my bathroom! Either that or install electric heating in your slippers... Just have to avoid tripping over the electric cable wired to them though. hope it all goes good. Adam. www.beachwizard.com/travelogue[^] "I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered" George Best.

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    I had looked at underfloor heating, but all the information states they should either only be used beneath ceramic tiles or real wood flooring (the latter being *way* too expensive for me at £35 a square meter - and that is apparently very cheap!). Do you think it would be safe to install something like this[^] under laminate flooring? Hey, I suppose I could seal it to the concrete using grout or something suitable before laying the underlay foam and the laminate on top - that might work? I'd like to have the heating if I could, but I don't want to create a fire hazzard either. :~

    David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

    An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})

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    • P peterchen

      True Linoleum looks great and is very easy to care for (needs an expert to be laid out though). It's a bit epensive, but... well, for the money you can always take the cheapest carpet you can get, and order a cleaning woman twice a week to sweep it. My absolute preference is wood (great when barefoot), although it *is* an issue with use. And nothing is worse than an exploding housewife* exploding because you didn't lift the 8 ton chair before moving it around. Even on my old used and ugly wooden floor I have a stripe of carpet for the most walked part (computer & bed, you name it) *) mental image: David Wulff in an apron...

      Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier'  Rosenstolz   [sighist]

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      peterchen wrote: mental image: David Wulff in an apron... I can send you a photo if you'd like... :suss:

      David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

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      • M markkuk

        I must point out that laminate is not wooden flooring. The surface is melamine i.e. hard plastic.

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        David Wulff
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        Yes I know that, but for all intents and purposes it is made to mimic real wood rather than a length of hardwood with a strip of melamine ironed on to it. Use wise (i.e. suitability and what not) they are identical. My skirting board is made of high density polystyrene not beech, but it still does the job, and that's all I really care about.

        David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

        An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})

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        • C Chris Maunder

          I've just been in some meetings with some Microsoft folk extolling the virtues of our switched on, high tech, bleeding edge, technically savvy group of devs passionate about programming and I find a 28 message long thread about floor tiles. :slapshandagainsthead: :) cheers, Chris Maunder

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          I guess some things are just more important that programming... :eek:

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          • C Chris Maunder

            I've just been in some meetings with some Microsoft folk extolling the virtues of our switched on, high tech, bleeding edge, technically savvy group of devs passionate about programming and I find a 28 message long thread about floor tiles. :slapshandagainsthead: :) cheers, Chris Maunder

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            Well, to soften the blow a bit, someone *did* mention installing a false floor to ease running cable...

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            • D David Wulff

              Okay, so this is a slightly odd question, but as it isn't related to drugs, sex or programming, and my attempt at accessing www.laminate-flooring-discussions.com failed, the Lounge will have to do... I want to redo the flooring in my bedroom. I am just not happy with my current carpet and to be honest the hassle of hoovering twice a week is getting to be more than I can bare. The problem is that I really don't know where to go. I could buy some more carpet, but that doesn't solve the hoovering problem and it would be a real pain in the bottom to lay correctly because of the odd shaped floor area of my bedroom. I could also take the wooden or tiled floor approach. The problem I see with tiles is that they are either carpet (which need hoovering) or ceramic (which would be cold). I also don't think ceramic tiles look very nice IMHO - they remind me of patios not bedrooms, and carpet tiles tend to be of commercial quality (not something you'd want to roll around on). So that leaves wooden flooring. But of course that has plenty of problems too. :(( My parents are useless to ask for advice because their first question is always "how much will it cost?", followed by expressions of horror, so I am trusting you with the future of my life for the next few years... Firstly, all of the furniture, the shelves and the skirting in my bedroom is beech (well laminate really with contiboard here and there). If I was to go for a laminate flooring I would need to choose beech again, surely, else it would look really odd. :~ One of my questions to you is is my "surely" assumption correct? I don't want my room to look like it was designed by a blind walrus, but then again I don't want it to look like a reject from the the club house of the Beech Lovers Society. If it is of importance, the walls are a creamy colour and the linen is either going to be red/pink, sand/pale brown, or black/grey. Secondly, suitability. Would you choose laminate flooring for a bedroom? :~ I have a nice rug lined up from a catalogue - :-O - that would match the new linen which ever colours I finally choose, so the main part of the floor that I would ever actually touch 'not-with-my-feet' would be soft (and rugs can be shaken outside). I suppose I'd need a chair mat to stop the surface in front of the flight deck--sorry, my desk, long story--from getting scratched. Anything I have missed? Lastly, is there anything I should know before writing the justification speech before approaching my mother? I'm going to put my neck ou

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              Just went thru the same and reckon I came up with the best soln. 1) Take a look at 'Westco light parquet' on homebase.co.uk. This is a 13mm solid wood floor at 16 pounds per sq metre which is only a bit more than laminate. http://www.homebase.co.uk/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/GBP/DisplayProductInformation-Start;%24sid%24GSsxqAAAAfdoEQAxQz8KNte1Jo8y3Lkm?ProductID=YODUPgRHDI8AAADr43HFoCes&PageNumber1=0&sort\_attribute\_1=product\_shortName&sort\_direction\_1=ascending&CatalogCategoryID=Mv4K0ALME2IAAADezWZfyAsj 2) From B&Q get their 7mm insulating fibreboard http://www.diy.com/bq/product/product.jhtml?PRODID=60972&paintCatId=&CATID=59836 3) From parallel flooring get the door threshold WE18 END http://www.flooring-trims.com/1.htm#profile 4) From B&Q get clamps (5 pounds each) - get one for every 1.5metre width http://www.diy.com/bq/product/product.jhtml?PRODID=28756&paintCatId=&CATID=59833 The light parquet is a mixture of woods so has lots of different shades and grains making it good for hiding any marks. It can also be sanded many times as it is solid, not a 4mm wear layer or a plastic looking (and sounding) laminate. You need to glue it (very easy) and that is better than the floorloc ones that come loose after a while (movement rounds the join edges leading to loose and grimy joins). Laying instructions are on the pack. The fibreboard keeps it quiet and very warm. (Foam is thinner but imparts a sound like you are walking on plastic). The threshold is good when butting up against the carpet in the hall and is very impt to get 1st and measure properly as this saves having to trim the boards after they are laid, which wastes a lot of jigsaw blades as it is extremely difficult to correct. Being wood it doesn't look cheap. Each one is about 10 pounds. Lay plastic first then the fibreboard then the wood leaving a 10mm gap around the outside and finish with a triangle or other shaped stripping (painting before you nail and glue it to the bottom of the existing skirting. Borrow a skirting board trimmer to do the door frames but don't trim the skirtings and try that way as you can't clamp. Hammer only to tap things a little if need be and let the clamps do the work 3m * 4m room with all the work took a weekend for a first timer. If you want a picture of the finished job drop me a line. Oh and go take a look at the wood instore but order online as you get packs that haven't been damaged at the edges by previous shoppers. Did 2 rooms 2*3m and 3*4 m for 350 pounds including

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              • B Brian Delahunty

                peterchen wrote: David Wulff in an apron... :wtf:... oh shit... no... X| X| X| [Thanks peterch X| en] Regards, Brian Dela :-)

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                wtf, when I read Anna's "the I can talk more openly about who I am" I had the thought: maybe she has a 2nd identity here too? Someone we all know.... and (Dave would you please stop listening) the name that (Dave!) came to me first was David Wulff... Imagine me myself being X| 'ed by my own thoughts...

                Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier'  Rosenstolz   [sighist]

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                • R Rupreck

                  Just went thru the same and reckon I came up with the best soln. 1) Take a look at 'Westco light parquet' on homebase.co.uk. This is a 13mm solid wood floor at 16 pounds per sq metre which is only a bit more than laminate. http://www.homebase.co.uk/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/GBP/DisplayProductInformation-Start;%24sid%24GSsxqAAAAfdoEQAxQz8KNte1Jo8y3Lkm?ProductID=YODUPgRHDI8AAADr43HFoCes&PageNumber1=0&sort\_attribute\_1=product\_shortName&sort\_direction\_1=ascending&CatalogCategoryID=Mv4K0ALME2IAAADezWZfyAsj 2) From B&Q get their 7mm insulating fibreboard http://www.diy.com/bq/product/product.jhtml?PRODID=60972&paintCatId=&CATID=59836 3) From parallel flooring get the door threshold WE18 END http://www.flooring-trims.com/1.htm#profile 4) From B&Q get clamps (5 pounds each) - get one for every 1.5metre width http://www.diy.com/bq/product/product.jhtml?PRODID=28756&paintCatId=&CATID=59833 The light parquet is a mixture of woods so has lots of different shades and grains making it good for hiding any marks. It can also be sanded many times as it is solid, not a 4mm wear layer or a plastic looking (and sounding) laminate. You need to glue it (very easy) and that is better than the floorloc ones that come loose after a while (movement rounds the join edges leading to loose and grimy joins). Laying instructions are on the pack. The fibreboard keeps it quiet and very warm. (Foam is thinner but imparts a sound like you are walking on plastic). The threshold is good when butting up against the carpet in the hall and is very impt to get 1st and measure properly as this saves having to trim the boards after they are laid, which wastes a lot of jigsaw blades as it is extremely difficult to correct. Being wood it doesn't look cheap. Each one is about 10 pounds. Lay plastic first then the fibreboard then the wood leaving a 10mm gap around the outside and finish with a triangle or other shaped stripping (painting before you nail and glue it to the bottom of the existing skirting. Borrow a skirting board trimmer to do the door frames but don't trim the skirtings and try that way as you can't clamp. Hammer only to tap things a little if need be and let the clamps do the work 3m * 4m room with all the work took a weekend for a first timer. If you want a picture of the finished job drop me a line. Oh and go take a look at the wood instore but order online as you get packs that haven't been damaged at the edges by previous shoppers. Did 2 rooms 2*3m and 3*4 m for 350 pounds including

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                  David Wulff
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                  Cool - thanks for the info David, it is all noted. :)

                  David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

                  An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})

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                  • D David Wulff

                    Okay, so this is a slightly odd question, but as it isn't related to drugs, sex or programming, and my attempt at accessing www.laminate-flooring-discussions.com failed, the Lounge will have to do... I want to redo the flooring in my bedroom. I am just not happy with my current carpet and to be honest the hassle of hoovering twice a week is getting to be more than I can bare. The problem is that I really don't know where to go. I could buy some more carpet, but that doesn't solve the hoovering problem and it would be a real pain in the bottom to lay correctly because of the odd shaped floor area of my bedroom. I could also take the wooden or tiled floor approach. The problem I see with tiles is that they are either carpet (which need hoovering) or ceramic (which would be cold). I also don't think ceramic tiles look very nice IMHO - they remind me of patios not bedrooms, and carpet tiles tend to be of commercial quality (not something you'd want to roll around on). So that leaves wooden flooring. But of course that has plenty of problems too. :(( My parents are useless to ask for advice because their first question is always "how much will it cost?", followed by expressions of horror, so I am trusting you with the future of my life for the next few years... Firstly, all of the furniture, the shelves and the skirting in my bedroom is beech (well laminate really with contiboard here and there). If I was to go for a laminate flooring I would need to choose beech again, surely, else it would look really odd. :~ One of my questions to you is is my "surely" assumption correct? I don't want my room to look like it was designed by a blind walrus, but then again I don't want it to look like a reject from the the club house of the Beech Lovers Society. If it is of importance, the walls are a creamy colour and the linen is either going to be red/pink, sand/pale brown, or black/grey. Secondly, suitability. Would you choose laminate flooring for a bedroom? :~ I have a nice rug lined up from a catalogue - :-O - that would match the new linen which ever colours I finally choose, so the main part of the floor that I would ever actually touch 'not-with-my-feet' would be soft (and rugs can be shaken outside). I suppose I'd need a chair mat to stop the surface in front of the flight deck--sorry, my desk, long story--from getting scratched. Anything I have missed? Lastly, is there anything I should know before writing the justification speech before approaching my mother? I'm going to put my neck ou

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                    David Wulff wrote: and it would be a real pain in the bottom to lay correctly because of the odd shaped floor area of my bedroom Dave, time to brush away the dust on your wallet and pay someone to get the job done properly. I've seen the kinda work you do on your PC, and believe me i was shocked to see wires held together by tape and blue tack. Health and safty comes to mind. Now dave, get some carpet, and pay someone to get the job done properly. A tiled floored is a big no no, needless to say the lack of carpet burns will leave a empty spot in your life. --- Peter M

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                      David Wulff wrote: and it would be a real pain in the bottom to lay correctly because of the odd shaped floor area of my bedroom Dave, time to brush away the dust on your wallet and pay someone to get the job done properly. I've seen the kinda work you do on your PC, and believe me i was shocked to see wires held together by tape and blue tack. Health and safty comes to mind. Now dave, get some carpet, and pay someone to get the job done properly. A tiled floored is a big no no, needless to say the lack of carpet burns will leave a empty spot in your life. --- Peter M

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                      Peter that was uncalled for! How dare you insinuate I use bluetac to fix up my PC - you know very well I only use masking tape and biro lids. :-D

                      David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

                      An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})

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                        Okay, so this is a slightly odd question, but as it isn't related to drugs, sex or programming, and my attempt at accessing www.laminate-flooring-discussions.com failed, the Lounge will have to do... I want to redo the flooring in my bedroom. I am just not happy with my current carpet and to be honest the hassle of hoovering twice a week is getting to be more than I can bare. The problem is that I really don't know where to go. I could buy some more carpet, but that doesn't solve the hoovering problem and it would be a real pain in the bottom to lay correctly because of the odd shaped floor area of my bedroom. I could also take the wooden or tiled floor approach. The problem I see with tiles is that they are either carpet (which need hoovering) or ceramic (which would be cold). I also don't think ceramic tiles look very nice IMHO - they remind me of patios not bedrooms, and carpet tiles tend to be of commercial quality (not something you'd want to roll around on). So that leaves wooden flooring. But of course that has plenty of problems too. :(( My parents are useless to ask for advice because their first question is always "how much will it cost?", followed by expressions of horror, so I am trusting you with the future of my life for the next few years... Firstly, all of the furniture, the shelves and the skirting in my bedroom is beech (well laminate really with contiboard here and there). If I was to go for a laminate flooring I would need to choose beech again, surely, else it would look really odd. :~ One of my questions to you is is my "surely" assumption correct? I don't want my room to look like it was designed by a blind walrus, but then again I don't want it to look like a reject from the the club house of the Beech Lovers Society. If it is of importance, the walls are a creamy colour and the linen is either going to be red/pink, sand/pale brown, or black/grey. Secondly, suitability. Would you choose laminate flooring for a bedroom? :~ I have a nice rug lined up from a catalogue - :-O - that would match the new linen which ever colours I finally choose, so the main part of the floor that I would ever actually touch 'not-with-my-feet' would be soft (and rugs can be shaken outside). I suppose I'd need a chair mat to stop the surface in front of the flight deck--sorry, my desk, long story--from getting scratched. Anything I have missed? Lastly, is there anything I should know before writing the justification speech before approaching my mother? I'm going to put my neck ou

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                        Ok... i resisted asking for a good four hours, but no longer. Who the hell vacuums twice a week? What are you doing, building furniture in there or something?! :~

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                          Peter that was uncalled for! How dare you insinuate I use bluetac to fix up my PC - you know very well I only use masking tape and biro lids. :-D

                          David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

                          An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})

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                          David Wulff wrote: I only use masking tape and biro lids What, no Legos? What kind of a DIYer are you?! ;P

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                          • R Ray Cassick

                            Well I am not female, not gay (no malice intended to anyone) and I an not Paul Watson but I will throw and answer out... I am going through some massive remodeling in my house and screem to keep/get hardwood floors anywhere I can. They are a bit cold on the bare feet, but who does not ware a pair of socks or slippers now days anyway :) Get a throw rug for next to the bed and your all set. As far as wear and tear goes, many of the products now days carry lifetime warrenties with them against wear.. I still remomend that you place some good plastic feet on the furnature legs though.

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                            Ray Cassick wrote: Well I am not female, not gay (no malice intended to anyone) and I an not Paul Watson You bastard! Hilarious, but you bastard! Am I some third sex or something? But thanks for the quote :-D Ray Cassick wrote: Get a throw rug And you think I am weird? You recommend throw rugs! Hah! Ray Cassick wrote: but who does not ware a pair of socks or slippers now days anyway LOL I don't. The moment I get home I put on the kettle, take my shoes off and sigh in happiness to be bare foot again (hell on weekends I come to work bare foot.)

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                              I had looked at underfloor heating, but all the information states they should either only be used beneath ceramic tiles or real wood flooring (the latter being *way* too expensive for me at £35 a square meter - and that is apparently very cheap!). Do you think it would be safe to install something like this[^] under laminate flooring? Hey, I suppose I could seal it to the concrete using grout or something suitable before laying the underlay foam and the laminate on top - that might work? I'd like to have the heating if I could, but I don't want to create a fire hazzard either. :~

                              David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

                              An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})

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                              Hmm.. I think there could be a risk of the continued heating and cooling causing the laminates to come apart. I don't think it would be a fire hazard though. It has to get really hot for paper and wood to ignite, probably too hot to walk on. Got tiles in my bathroom you see... It definitly works under cork flooring though (my old college room had cork floor tiles and underfloor heating). Bit 70's retro though! www.beachwizard.com/travelogue[^] "I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered" George Best.

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                                wtf, when I read Anna's "the I can talk more openly about who I am" I had the thought: maybe she has a 2nd identity here too? Someone we all know.... and (Dave would you please stop listening) the name that (Dave!) came to me first was David Wulff... Imagine me myself being X| 'ed by my own thoughts...

                                Auch den Schatten will ich lieben weil ich manchmal lieber frier'  Rosenstolz   [sighist]

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                                peterchen wrote: Imagine me myself being X| 'ed by my own thoughts... Ah.... nah. it's not Dave. Dave like laminated floor too much. Regards, Brian Dela :-)

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                                • D David Wulff

                                  Daniel Turini wrote: A false floor for easy and hidden cabling would be good! That wouldn't be necessary, the room has already been fitted out with hidden conduits everywhere. I can get from any the wall sockets/my pc to anywhere else in the room with ease. I already thought of that. :) Daniel Turini wrote: Better than this, save your money, hover your carpet and buy something you'll use more than a new floor. IHMO, your parents are right, sorry... You don't have to say sorry, as I am not going to listen to you. :rolleyes: As I said, the floor does need doing (the current carpet does not match and is torn and stained in places) - I firmly beleive if you are going to start a project you should finish it, and well the floor is a necessary part of that process.

                                  David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk

                                  An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})

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                                  David Wulff wrote: (the current carpet does not match and is torn and stained in places) Care to elaborate? :laugh: Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002

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