I would like to see a new study of
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Bob Emmett wrote:
CaptainSeeSharp wrote: Unequal distribution of goods is welfare and subsidies. ACCORDING TO WORK DONE. (YOU LEFT THIS OUT) Well, if you are quoting from this: 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done no, it isn't. Bob Emmett
You see, this is pure bullshit, you know I'm right but you are a puny peon under the thumb of queen, blair, and, brown. You are a stupid pathetic slave and the only way to escape is to pretend you are living in a grand old free country. Say hello to the CCTV next time you look out the window. This is christains problem too, he just can't face reality so he tries hard to twist words which really makes him sound like he has been lobotomized or something, must have been all the fluoride tabs his ignorant mother poisoned him with as a child.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
This is christains problem too, he just can't face reality so he tries hard to twist words which really makes him sound like he has been lobotomized or something, must have been all the fluoride tabs his ignorant mother poisoned him with as a child.
It's amusing to me how rarely you can spell my name right. If all I do is twist words, why are you incapable of twisting them back ? When I make small steps of logic to point out what I consider the fallacy of your words, why is it that you can't prove where my error is ? Why is it that saying you have no private property in the USA because you pay land tax is not twisting words in your mind ?
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No, the legal system as it's abused in American is a form of capitalism, not socialism.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Word games.
Glad you warned me, I might have read the rest of your post.
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RichardM1 wrote:
CSS, that was f'd up.
Thank you.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You don't own your property if you have to pay rent to the state (property taxes).
So a feudal monarchy is a socialist state?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Government owns means of production because corporations get special privileges by the government and handouts from the central bank effectively eliminating competition
Or Corporations own the Government and get special privileges and handouts from the Central Bank. Rest assured, your Government does not own the means of production. As to the elimination of competition, that is the objective of Capitalism. Greatest return on ROI is a monopoly, failing that, a cartel. If Corporations can use the Government to eliminate competition, they will.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
further bankrupting the country
Which bankruptcy was brought about by the blind pursuit of ROI without careful analysis of the consequences, and exacerbated by the Corporations forcing the Government to bail them out, transferring debt from the private to the public sector.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Unequal distribution of goods is welfare and subsidies.
Well, if you are quoting from this: 3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done no, it isn't.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
Understand that I am arguing with you, not agreeing with CSS. :-O
Bob Emmett wrote:
Which bankruptcy was brought about by the blind pursuit of ROI without careful analysis of the consequences, and exacerbated by the Corporations forcing the Government to bail them out, transferring debt from the private to the public sector.
The gov telling mortgage brokers & banks to give mortgages to obviously unqualified wanna be home owners is NOT the blind pursuit of ROI in a free market. It was a market distorted by government interference. The gov forcing major oversight on companies for bailing them, and demanding re-payment of the debt is NOT transferring debt from the private to the public sector. The gov ends up with more control, charges the original debt off to the tax-payers, then uses the returned money for off budget 'expenses'.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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It's what he always does. Look for a loophole to claim to himself that he's taking the high moral ground rather than running away scared like a little girl because he's been proven totally wrong.
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RichardM1 wrote:
CSS, that was f'd up.
Thank you.
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It's what he always does. Look for a loophole to claim to himself that he's taking the high moral ground rather than running away scared like a little girl because he's been proven totally wrong.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Understand that I am arguing with you, not agreeing with CSS. :-O
Bob Emmett wrote:
Which bankruptcy was brought about by the blind pursuit of ROI without careful analysis of the consequences, and exacerbated by the Corporations forcing the Government to bail them out, transferring debt from the private to the public sector.
The gov telling mortgage brokers & banks to give mortgages to obviously unqualified wanna be home owners is NOT the blind pursuit of ROI in a free market. It was a market distorted by government interference. The gov forcing major oversight on companies for bailing them, and demanding re-payment of the debt is NOT transferring debt from the private to the public sector. The gov ends up with more control, charges the original debt off to the tax-payers, then uses the returned money for off budget 'expenses'.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
Understand that I am arguing with you, not agreeing with CSS.
Ah, but the 'enemy' of his 'enemy' is his friend. :)
RichardM1 wrote:
The gov telling mortgage brokers & banks to give mortgages to obviously unqualified wanna be home owners is NOT the blind pursuit of ROI in a free market. It was a market distorted by government interference.
I agree that government intervention in any market is a bad thing. I agree that pressuring Fannie and Freddie to buy more mortgages for the very low income (i.e. people who couldn't afford to purchase the property) was a bad thing. But ... mortgages were no longer loans sitting lenders' books, they were a commodity. They could be sold and re-sold indefinitely. If the borrower could not meet the terms of the mortgage, the property could be refinanced or sold. It is little wonder that brokers, lenders and the securities market were lobbying the government for wider home ownership. Both Clinton and Bush milked it for the minority vote. The reckless pursuit of ROI in the mortgage market had already commenced. Government endorsed and accelerated it.
RichardM1 wrote:
The gov forcing major oversight on companies for bailing them, and demanding re-payment of the debt is NOT transferring debt from the private to the public sector. The gov ends up with more control, charges the original debt off to the tax-payers, then uses the returned money for off budget 'expenses'.
Paul Volker has been put back in his box. No effective controls will be enacted. The immediate reaction to the crisis was bail-out the banks. The debt was transferred from the private sector to the public sector, no questions asked. Banks could only make the TARP repayments because they are on the government life-support system. This backing (FASB - 'mark to fantasy' on assets, Fed - access to cheap credit, FDIC - issue low cost debt, SEC - phoney stress tests) has increased the value of their stocks, enabling them to raise additional equity. The reality is that the banks remain bankrupt. So, perhaps the government is holding onto the TARP money until it is needed again ( :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: ).
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How many parents that were premature babies have premature babies. What kind of life do people who have that have had excessive medical treatment to save their lives (the three year 20 surgeon team type). What would happen to heath costs in the USA if we were not so sue happy? (True non health care example: Oh, I spilled my coffee that I insist must be hot and burned myself it must be the fast food chains fault. Fast food lost thus signs now warn that the coffee is hot.) On another rant, here in Ohio we just spent many dollars to save the life of an inmate who over dosed so we could execute him the next week. I am sure this was done to prevent family from suing. Why do we award money to idiots? (see above) If I am dumb enough to stick my hand under the lawn mower, I deserve to have my fingers cut off. It is not the fault of the mower company for not putting on a warning label. Sorry bad day, djj
When I was designing large scale evacuation systems (for refineries, airports etc.) we didn't bother with the US market because there were too many cases of companies being sued by survivors who would have been doing KFC impressions. As a result so many evac systems in the US are worthless. :sigh:
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