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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'm talking about medicare/medicaid fraud
Yes, and that is the problem. You are talking about Medicare and Medicaid, but contending the new system will be the same. I'm contending that it is possible that the new system can stop such abuses.
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One of the benefits of government run insurance is that it gives the government a vested interest in controlling fraud and also in controlling profiteering of drug companies, etc. Under the current system it's no wonder they shrug and let them charge whatever they like.
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You cant regulate that fraud away. It is a fundamental flaw of the socialist system, it is fraudulent to begin with. Anyone with a food-stamp card can go buy groceries for a friend and sell them to him for half the price of the groceries. With the drugs, just go to a doctor, and then a pharmacy.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You cant regulate that fraud away. It is a fundamental flaw of the socialist system, it is fraudulent to begin with.
You're partially right - any system of welfare needs to either live with some abuse, or find that it locks out some people it's designed to help. You just can't help it. However, at least part of the problem is that if welfare really is $24k a year, that's twice what someone can earn on minimum wage. I'd hate to try to live on $24k, but I'd hate to try to live on $12k more. So, odds are that people working minimum wage are eligible for some form of welfare, which means that welfare is really a system to help big companies ( i.e. to promote capitalism ), not to help the people struggling to survive on half an average wage.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
With the drugs, just go to a doctor, and then a pharmacy.
It's probably an indication of the sort of area you live in that you claim all the doctors where you live are corrupt. However, again, they are corrupt under the current system, so the new health bill can't make that worse.
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I'm talking about medicare/medicaid fraud, where a person goes to a single doctor, who prescribes narcotics, and then that person goes to the pharmacy to pick up the drugs, afterward that person sells the drugs on the street in a matter of hours and makes a lot of money.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
where a person goes to a single doctor, who prescribes narcotics, and then that person goes to the pharmacy to pick up the drugs,
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'm talking about medicare/medicaid fraud,
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
afterward that person sells the drugs on the street in a matter of hours and makes a lot of money.
C Socialist system where people have medication covered so as not to be stupidly expensive. D A -> B -> C; This is what is above. A = D; This is what you are seeing. You know, fraud is going to happen no matter what. In the current system the people payign for it are the same people. We pay for insurance, fraud happens, they charge more because they can justify it. So it isn't like we aren't already paying for it. Currently there are plenty of laws against all this, I don't see how the government getting people to lower their prices so everyone can afford the drugs they need is going to change this.
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Distind wrote:
Ah, here I was figuring they may be the proper way to treat what ever condition it is that you have
I already offered to pay for that, but he's scared of psychiatrists.
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You cant regulate that fraud away. It is a fundamental flaw of the socialist system, it is fraudulent to begin with. Anyone with a food-stamp card can go buy groceries for a friend and sell them to him for half the price of the groceries. With the drugs, just go to a doctor, and then a pharmacy.
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You're right, you can't regulate the fraud, but you can regulate the system to stop the fraud, I don't see it as a flaw of a socialist system, as in socialism/communism this will be controlled by the gov't in every single way possible, you won't be able to get any drugs/medicines without consent of it and if you do, there will be one moment when the gov't will investigate what is happening, but corruption comes in many ways, the point of all this is to find ways to stop it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Anyone with a food-stamp card can go buy groceries for a friend and sell them to him for half the price of the groceries.
Yep, that's right, so the thing is how can I regulate people doing this. answers to fix it can come in many ways, reduce the amount of stamps they get, reduce the time they receive them, I don't know, but then comes the other side of the problem, how do you know that they're actually doing it, like I said, this is a secret everyone knows. There has been rules the stamps have these days to reduce the fraud, but still needs to be improved, everything has space for improvement.
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What sort of drugs are you thinking about?
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One of the benefits of government run insurance is that it gives the government a vested interest in controlling fraud and also in controlling profiteering of drug companies, etc. Under the current system it's no wonder they shrug and let them charge whatever they like.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I see that, you see that, I'm trying to get Captain See Sharp's explanation of why he doesn't. I'd also like his reasoning that the a new system shouldn't be adopted because the current system is broken, that seems flawed to me.
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I see that, you see that, I'm trying to get Captain See Sharp's explanation of why he doesn't. I'd also like his reasoning that the a new system shouldn't be adopted because the current system is broken, that seems flawed to me.
Dalek Dave: There are many words that some find offensive, Homosexuality, Alcoholism, Religion, Visual Basic, Manchester United, Butter. Pete o'Hanlon: If it wasn't insulting tools, I'd say you were dumber than a bag of spanners.
He posts verbatim the stuff he's read online, and when it's proven wrong, he just stops until the next thread starts. He won't answer you.
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Now that healthcare takeover has passed. I will be confiscating your property by government proxy. I think I will run up to the local corrupt doc right now and get some narcotics. I have a right to eat, so I'm going to take even more from you so I can eat like a king on your dime. Why work when I can get all this free stuff. If you are a working man, then you will get less of everything (except for government control). Me and tens of millions of others are going to feast on you like a 10 pound tick on a dog, you will suffer greatly.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I will be confiscating your property by government proxy.
You have a right to my fist through your face. Seems as good a time as any to let you know that I'll be visiting Ohio real soon. Better start watching over your shoulder, you never know who may be back there. ;)
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
get some narcotics
While you're at it, why don't you get one of those potassium chloride coctails, shaken not stirred.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
like a 10 pound tick on a dog
At least you've learned your position in the food chain and we know which end of the dog you'd be sucking.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Now that healthcare takeover has passed. I will be confiscating your property by government proxy. I think I will run up to the local corrupt doc right now and get some narcotics. I have a right to eat, so I'm going to take even more from you so I can eat like a king on your dime. Why work when I can get all this free stuff. If you are a working man, then you will get less of everything (except for government control). Me and tens of millions of others are going to feast on you like a 10 pound tick on a dog, you will suffer greatly.
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Oh, no! The sky is falling, the sky is falling! So the richest nation on earth is attempting to improve its healh case system, which is amongst the worst when compared to other wealthy countries - get some perspective.
Steve