Global government #2
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It will be hell on earth. Anyone in the right mind would not give power to control the planet to any group of people, what kind of fucking moron would you be? The next generation of sheep.
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At what scale does it become a bad idea to give someone control in your opinion? Anarchy is untenable, a single global government is quite unlikely to work, or at least do anything and remain in power. Where would you put the middle ground? I've spent some time thinking about it myself and I've come up with a clear 'damned if I know'.
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fat_boy wrote:
Christian Graus wrote: Well, I think it would take a big war to do it That also helps. It caused the EU to come into existance.
are you sure that was NATO? as the EU (yes i did google it) started in 1958! But the likes of the UK didn't join til 78
Simon_Whale wrote:
But the likes of the UK didn't join til 78
As I recall, they had to wait until de Gaulle died so they'd be allowed to join.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Perhaps. But, I don't believe that will ever happen, and if it does, odds are they'll arrive in ships not much better than our space shuttles, relatively speaking. They are not going to show up in a Millenium Falcon with laser guns, and proceed to solve our energy problems and usher in a golden age for man.
You misunderstand the reason aliens would unite us. Even if they're friendly or primitive, their existence would have a profound psychological effect on us. If the human race KNEW there was another type of being out there (Which would of course suggest the existence of more), it would bring us together as a species. We have a natural tendency to divide things into "Us" and "Them." White and black, male and female, Axis and Allies, Religious and Non-religious, Capitalists and Communists, etc etc... The existence of aliens would be the ultimate "Them," hence making the entire human race "Us." Imagine that... If suddenly we made contact with an alien race, we might start seeing each other as fellow human beings, instead of subdividing.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Even if they're friendly or primitive, their existence would have a profound psychological effect on us. If the human race KNEW there was another type of being out there (Which would of course suggest the existence of more), it would bring us together as a species.
I disagree. If they are NOT primitive, they are probably here already. And if they are here already, odds are good they would see us as either cattle or slaves. Either way, the odds of them uniting us, assume the same basic human urges and sense of reason that should have ended all wars by now.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Imagine that... If suddenly we made contact with an alien race, we might start seeing each other as fellow human beings, instead of subdividing.
I've heard similar pipe dreams that did not pan out. I'm sorry, I don't have enough faith in the human race to agree with you.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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We say that now, but in 50 years? 100 years? Assuming humanity lives that long, 1000 years? We cannot even guess how far advanced the technology would have progressed [or regressed]. It might come as a NEED to get off the planet due to the in-existence of resources. I dream about getting off of this rock, but I'm just speculating.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
It might come as a NEED to get off the planet due to the in-existence of resources.
That's the issue. There's no return in going into space. We need a surplus of resources to support a moon base, for example, just like colonies in the US and Australia, for example, needed external support in order to survive. The difference is, in space they won't even have soil, or air, or water.
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I hate to think it will take another 50-100 years, I am really pissed that the US pulled it's head in after the moon landings. We should have communities up there now with 20 years of experience under their belt.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
I guarentee you that this is evidence of the fact that going to the moon is far from profitable.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
It's a pipe dream
I'm happy pondering my pipe dream, we should already have 20 years experience with space/moon habitats. I like to think there will be some commercial driver, other than mineral wealth, that will justify the investement to get a proper habitat going. When Armstrong stepped out I had fond dreams that maybe it would happen in my life time but I guess not.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
When Armstrong stepped out I had fond dreams that maybe it would happen in my life time but I guess not.
I was barely alive when that happened. I thought you were 15 ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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It will be hell on earth. Anyone in the right mind would not give power to control the planet to any group of people, what kind of fucking moron would you be? The next generation of sheep.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It will be hell on earth
Well, the basic issue with your claims is, why would someone set out to create 'hell on earth' ? What's the profit in that ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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now now, the adults are exchanging points of view, no one has been violent and we agree or disagree, that's how adults behave, we don't insult others and we respect the points of view even if we don't agree with them, so if you can't do that go back to your basement and stay there until we call you again
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
Someone keeps calling him ? Who ? Are they mad ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It will be hell on earth
Well, the basic issue with your claims is, why would someone set out to create 'hell on earth' ? What's the profit in that ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
The profit comes from owning and controlling a slave population.
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The profit comes from owning and controlling a slave population.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
How does it ? If I run the whole world, why do I need slaves ? I'm already in charge of EVERYTHING. I can have whatever I want.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
When Armstrong stepped out I had fond dreams that maybe it would happen in my life time but I guess not.
I was barely alive when that happened. I thought you were 15 ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I got bitten by the SF bug very early. Started reading Heinlein and was completely hooked on the dammed stuff. SF is still the majority of the subject matter I read.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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The profit comes from owning and controlling a slave population.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
Again, contradicting yourself, weren't you the one supporting profit?... back to your basement kid, get your ideas straight before coming here to give out your opinions
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!