A look into the past, how the media lied about the economy in '06 and '07
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Bob Emmett wrote:
Ah. But that is not real demonization, it is controlled demonization, designed to keep the flock toeing the Tea Party line.
You are confused. The controlled opposition to Obama and the left are demonizing the teaparties along with the left, because the teaparty is real grassroots opposition to Obama and the left, and the neocon right. The neocons have been trying to hijack the teaparty movement to try to heard them back on the reservation. The left has been infiltrating the rallies with stupid signs and provocateurs. The left and the right are the arms of the same people, the power elite. The teaparty is a large, decentralized, grassroots organization devoted to a constitutional government, low taxes, personal liberty, and free markets.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
Ah. But that is not real demonization, it is controlled demonization, designed to keep the flock toeing the Tea Party line.
You are confused. The controlled opposition to Obama and the left are demonizing the teaparties along with the left, because the teaparty is real grassroots opposition to Obama and the left, and the neocon right. The neocons have been trying to hijack the teaparty movement to try to heard them back on the reservation. The left has been infiltrating the rallies with stupid signs and provocateurs. The left and the right are the arms of the same people, the power elite. The teaparty is a large, decentralized, grassroots organization devoted to a constitutional government, low taxes, personal liberty, and free markets.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The teaparty is a large, decentralized, grassroots organization devoted to a constitutional government, low taxes, personal liberty, and free markets.
I get your point now. You're upset that several people have pointed out just how tiny the 'teaparty' organization is. As I pointed out once before, the sort of turn out they have, is less than you'd get for a turn out on gay rights. You're more marginal than homosexuals, and less likely to change anything.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The teaparty is a large, decentralized, grassroots organization devoted to a constitutional government, low taxes, personal liberty, and free markets.
I get your point now. You're upset that several people have pointed out just how tiny the 'teaparty' organization is. As I pointed out once before, the sort of turn out they have, is less than you'd get for a turn out on gay rights. You're more marginal than homosexuals, and less likely to change anything.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I consider myself a teapartier, but I've never been to any rallies. I think the numbers are in the 10s of millions.
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I consider myself a teapartier, but I've never been to any rallies. I think the numbers are in the 10s of millions.
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I know you think that. Of course you do. But, if that's the case, tea partiers are generally more apathetic than most groups. I don't think anyone has suggested that the turn out numbers define the size of the group directly. They do INDICATE the size of the group, because the % of believers who can and do turn out would tend to be reasonably static, so if 15k people turn out, then the odds of there being more than 1-2 million are very low indeed.
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I know you think that. Of course you do. But, if that's the case, tea partiers are generally more apathetic than most groups. I don't think anyone has suggested that the turn out numbers define the size of the group directly. They do INDICATE the size of the group, because the % of believers who can and do turn out would tend to be reasonably static, so if 15k people turn out, then the odds of there being more than 1-2 million are very low indeed.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
The march on Washington last year is a good indicator of the size of the teaparty, about 1 million showed up to just one rally. ABC reported 1.5 million at first, but afterward downplayed the numbers to only 70k (that is a big difference between their first estimate). One paper only reports a few thousand. http://wizbangblog.com/images/2009/09/97pk.jpg[^] These are just people who showed up to one rally, think about the numbers all across the country who acutally rally, and then people like me who support the teaparties but don't go out.
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The march on Washington last year is a good indicator of the size of the teaparty, about 1 million showed up to just one rally. ABC reported 1.5 million at first, but afterward downplayed the numbers to only 70k (that is a big difference between their first estimate). One paper only reports a few thousand. http://wizbangblog.com/images/2009/09/97pk.jpg[^] These are just people who showed up to one rally, think about the numbers all across the country who acutally rally, and then people like me who support the teaparties but don't go out.
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OK, so you're claiming that the media downplayed (lied about) the numbers out of fear of this movement ? Are there any clear photos that show that there were more than a million people there ? Or do you simply choose to believe it ?
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I consider myself a teapartier, but I've never been to any rallies. I think the numbers are in the 10s of millions.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I consider myself a teapartier, but I've never been to any rallies.
A totally useless oik, then.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I think the numbers are in the 10s of millions.
Based on what evidence?
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The march on Washington last year is a good indicator of the size of the teaparty, about 1 million showed up to just one rally. ABC reported 1.5 million at first, but afterward downplayed the numbers to only 70k (that is a big difference between their first estimate). One paper only reports a few thousand. http://wizbangblog.com/images/2009/09/97pk.jpg[^] These are just people who showed up to one rally, think about the numbers all across the country who acutally rally, and then people like me who support the teaparties but don't go out.
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I defy you to produce any ABC News report, radio or TV, that claimed the attendance was 1m or 1.5m. Organizer estimates:- FreedomWorks: 600,000 - 800,000 National Taxpayers Union: 200,000 - 300,000
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
then people like me who support the teaparties but don't go out
I.E. who count for nothing because they have no conviction.
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I defy you to produce any ABC News report, radio or TV, that claimed the attendance was 1m or 1.5m. Organizer estimates:- FreedomWorks: 600,000 - 800,000 National Taxpayers Union: 200,000 - 300,000
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
then people like me who support the teaparties but don't go out
I.E. who count for nothing because they have no conviction.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
Bob Emmett wrote:
I defy you to produce any ABC News report, radio or TV, that claimed the attendance was 1m or 1.5m.
Surely if it exists, someone taped it and put it on youtube ?
Bob Emmett wrote:
I.E. who count for nothing because they have no conviction.
Well, they have enough conviction to vote, I would expect. My estimates of the size of the movement compared to, say, the gay lobby, have always factored in that the % of people who turn out is far smaller than the % of people who would vote for an issue.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
I defy you to produce any ABC News report, radio or TV, that claimed the attendance was 1m or 1.5m.
Surely if it exists, someone taped it and put it on youtube ?
Bob Emmett wrote:
I.E. who count for nothing because they have no conviction.
Well, they have enough conviction to vote, I would expect. My estimates of the size of the movement compared to, say, the gay lobby, have always factored in that the % of people who turn out is far smaller than the % of people who would vote for an issue.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Surely if it exists
It doesn't. ABC News reported 70,000, based on the Fire Department's estimate, but that turned out to be an estimate of a section of the crowd, not the entire rally.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, they have enough conviction to vote,
Yes, but vote for whom? They must put up their own candidates, and mobilize support. They must pose a threat to the status quo. How many existing politicians truly support the objectives of the Tea Party movement? How many will merely mouth the required platitudes and, when elected, continue in the same old way?
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
