Reasons I love America no94
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See Here[^] US vote 94-0 to let Greece fail! Thank you! That special relationship is still strong I see. If Greece fails, Germany has to do the entire bail out, so Germany will refuse and let Greece hang in the wind. End of the Euro, and hopefully the end of Federal Europe. The Nightmare could soon be over, and the UK could go back to being a sovereign nation. To all you Americans, thanks cousins. Once more we fought a rearguard action against our European Enemies, alone, until the Good ol' USA stood shoulder to shoulder with us!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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See Here[^] US vote 94-0 to let Greece fail! Thank you! That special relationship is still strong I see. If Greece fails, Germany has to do the entire bail out, so Germany will refuse and let Greece hang in the wind. End of the Euro, and hopefully the end of Federal Europe. The Nightmare could soon be over, and the UK could go back to being a sovereign nation. To all you Americans, thanks cousins. Once more we fought a rearguard action against our European Enemies, alone, until the Good ol' USA stood shoulder to shoulder with us!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
I started writing a whole big ass post, then deleted it. If Greece falls it means nothing to the Euro or the Eurozone. If Spain starts to rumble then I'll take my head out of the sand.
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See Here[^] US vote 94-0 to let Greece fail! Thank you! That special relationship is still strong I see. If Greece fails, Germany has to do the entire bail out, so Germany will refuse and let Greece hang in the wind. End of the Euro, and hopefully the end of Federal Europe. The Nightmare could soon be over, and the UK could go back to being a sovereign nation. To all you Americans, thanks cousins. Once more we fought a rearguard action against our European Enemies, alone, until the Good ol' USA stood shoulder to shoulder with us!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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See Here[^] US vote 94-0 to let Greece fail! Thank you! That special relationship is still strong I see. If Greece fails, Germany has to do the entire bail out, so Germany will refuse and let Greece hang in the wind. End of the Euro, and hopefully the end of Federal Europe. The Nightmare could soon be over, and the UK could go back to being a sovereign nation. To all you Americans, thanks cousins. Once more we fought a rearguard action against our European Enemies, alone, until the Good ol' USA stood shoulder to shoulder with us!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
As I have read your post, I have gotten a bit angry. ;) Until I realized you were not being facetious. Now I have gotten glad to see it is not just some of the 'whack-jobs' in the US who understand something about too much debt. I particularly liked the part about the other PIIGS borrowing more money to bail out Greece. Disclosure: I am an American. Oh, yeah, I also have a grandfather who came here from Greece. Why should I give them anything special because of it? OT: You never did tell me where your ancestors came from. :)
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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As I have read your post, I have gotten a bit angry. ;) Until I realized you were not being facetious. Now I have gotten glad to see it is not just some of the 'whack-jobs' in the US who understand something about too much debt. I particularly liked the part about the other PIIGS borrowing more money to bail out Greece. Disclosure: I am an American. Oh, yeah, I also have a grandfather who came here from Greece. Why should I give them anything special because of it? OT: You never did tell me where your ancestors came from. :)
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
gotten
Uh-oh. That word is on Dalek Dave's "Words I Hate" list. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]
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RichardM1 wrote:
gotten
Uh-oh. That word is on Dalek Dave's "Words I Hate" list. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]
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See Here[^] US vote 94-0 to let Greece fail! Thank you! That special relationship is still strong I see. If Greece fails, Germany has to do the entire bail out, so Germany will refuse and let Greece hang in the wind. End of the Euro, and hopefully the end of Federal Europe. The Nightmare could soon be over, and the UK could go back to being a sovereign nation. To all you Americans, thanks cousins. Once more we fought a rearguard action against our European Enemies, alone, until the Good ol' USA stood shoulder to shoulder with us!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
I see we are both ardent Amerophiles and I'm also glad that they have shown some sense and voted this nonsense down. The sooner the EU dissolves the better. I shall hoist my stars and stripes this evening and raise a toast to Congress.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
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I see we are both ardent Amerophiles and I'm also glad that they have shown some sense and voted this nonsense down. The sooner the EU dissolves the better. I shall hoist my stars and stripes this evening and raise a toast to Congress.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
digital man wrote:
The sooner the EU dissolves the better
There is alot that is wrong, but there are some thigns that are very good, including the euro. It is true that as a political entity its purpose, to stop war, has to a large part become irrelevant and many of its policies need reviweing. However as a free trade zone with a common currency it is woth preserving.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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digital man wrote:
The sooner the EU dissolves the better
There is alot that is wrong, but there are some thigns that are very good, including the euro. It is true that as a political entity its purpose, to stop war, has to a large part become irrelevant and many of its policies need reviweing. However as a free trade zone with a common currency it is woth preserving.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
However as a free trade zone with a common currency it is worth preserving.
I'd agree with the former but not the latter. It started out as the Common Market and has since morphed into a largely unaccountable fraudsters paradise where the Franco-German alliance pretty much dictates to the rest of us what should happen and where the minnows get subsidised by the big countries. The Euro cannot work whilst every participant has a completely different and unconnected economy that is not in parity with the rest. The quicker it gets dissolved the better for the UK.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
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fat_boy wrote:
However as a free trade zone with a common currency it is worth preserving.
I'd agree with the former but not the latter. It started out as the Common Market and has since morphed into a largely unaccountable fraudsters paradise where the Franco-German alliance pretty much dictates to the rest of us what should happen and where the minnows get subsidised by the big countries. The Euro cannot work whilst every participant has a completely different and unconnected economy that is not in parity with the rest. The quicker it gets dissolved the better for the UK.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
digital man wrote:
The Euro cannot work whilst every participant has a completely different and unconnected economy that is not in parity with the rest.
Well, is that the case? I have a feeling the ecconomic policies are similar, but the central bank can enfoce controlls, as they might with Greece, so there is also some centralised control.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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digital man wrote:
The Euro cannot work whilst every participant has a completely different and unconnected economy that is not in parity with the rest.
Well, is that the case? I have a feeling the ecconomic policies are similar, but the central bank can enfoce controlls, as they might with Greece, so there is also some centralised control.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Well, is that the case?
I'm pretty sure it is: try to connect, for instance, the Greek economy with that of France. They have different tax collection systems and rates, different prices for the same products, different levels of income and vastly different ideas about how any income is spent. Until they are all singing off the same hymn sheet it is a recipe for disaster. Every nation in the EU would have to adopt the Euro and harmonise taxes and prices and incomes across the Union. In short, abandon current borders all together and have a single Federal government that has ultimate control of all of the above. Unless and until that happens there will continue to be economic disasters where countries fall out of step and expect everyone else to bail them out. I'm glad we're not in the Euro: I only wish we could withdraw back to the Common Market without the obscene Common Agricultural Policy and all of the other inherently unfair and one-sided policies foisted upon us by the French and Germans.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
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fat_boy wrote:
Well, is that the case?
I'm pretty sure it is: try to connect, for instance, the Greek economy with that of France. They have different tax collection systems and rates, different prices for the same products, different levels of income and vastly different ideas about how any income is spent. Until they are all singing off the same hymn sheet it is a recipe for disaster. Every nation in the EU would have to adopt the Euro and harmonise taxes and prices and incomes across the Union. In short, abandon current borders all together and have a single Federal government that has ultimate control of all of the above. Unless and until that happens there will continue to be economic disasters where countries fall out of step and expect everyone else to bail them out. I'm glad we're not in the Euro: I only wish we could withdraw back to the Common Market without the obscene Common Agricultural Policy and all of the other inherently unfair and one-sided policies foisted upon us by the French and Germans.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
Ah, different in that respect yes, but I was thinking more in the model they use. (Dont forget prices vary across the UK but they still use the same model). The UK classically uses interets rates to controll inflation, M4. Classic Thatcherism. Not so in France, Belgium or Holland. And I think not so accross Europe. In fact the big factor blockijng the UK form joining the Euro IS its diffferent ecconomic model. Euro interest rates are way too lkow for the UK to handle (traditionally) or stable (raditionally and currently).
digital man wrote:
Common Agricultural Policy
Yeah, and the accepotance of Poland and so on had a huge affect. Think of the CAP though as German reparations for the war, and you can see why it has to be scrapped today.
digital man wrote:
policies foisted upon us by the French and Germans.
Yes, more war avoidance stuff. This part of the EU really needs reforming.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Ah, different in that respect yes, but I was thinking more in the model they use. (Dont forget prices vary across the UK but they still use the same model). The UK classically uses interets rates to controll inflation, M4. Classic Thatcherism. Not so in France, Belgium or Holland. And I think not so accross Europe. In fact the big factor blockijng the UK form joining the Euro IS its diffferent ecconomic model. Euro interest rates are way too lkow for the UK to handle (traditionally) or stable (raditionally and currently).
digital man wrote:
Common Agricultural Policy
Yeah, and the accepotance of Poland and so on had a huge affect. Think of the CAP though as German reparations for the war, and you can see why it has to be scrapped today.
digital man wrote:
policies foisted upon us by the French and Germans.
Yes, more war avoidance stuff. This part of the EU really needs reforming.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Yes, more war avoidance stuff. This part of the EU really needs reforming.
Can you really blame France and Germany for doing this though? I mean, the moment one of them decides to go to war, the other gets invaded and taken over. After that everyone gets mad about losing their champaigne and all hell breaks loose. If they don't have policies in place to keep Germany from starting a war, 3 blonde kids with sticks will get antsy and take over Paris, getting the rest of the country in trouble.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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See Here[^] US vote 94-0 to let Greece fail! Thank you! That special relationship is still strong I see. If Greece fails, Germany has to do the entire bail out, so Germany will refuse and let Greece hang in the wind. End of the Euro, and hopefully the end of Federal Europe. The Nightmare could soon be over, and the UK could go back to being a sovereign nation. To all you Americans, thanks cousins. Once more we fought a rearguard action against our European Enemies, alone, until the Good ol' USA stood shoulder to shoulder with us!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
I really think that Greece should have been left on its own. If they didn't like it they could leave the euro. Now every EU government out there will think it can have high deficits because it will get a bailout anyway.
There is sufficient light for those who desire to see, and there is sufficient darkness for those of a contrary disposition. Blaise Pascal
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See Here[^] US vote 94-0 to let Greece fail! Thank you! That special relationship is still strong I see. If Greece fails, Germany has to do the entire bail out, so Germany will refuse and let Greece hang in the wind. End of the Euro, and hopefully the end of Federal Europe. The Nightmare could soon be over, and the UK could go back to being a sovereign nation. To all you Americans, thanks cousins. Once more we fought a rearguard action against our European Enemies, alone, until the Good ol' USA stood shoulder to shoulder with us!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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RichardM1 wrote:
gotten
Uh-oh. That word is on Dalek Dave's "Words I Hate" list. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]
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As I have read your post, I have gotten a bit angry. ;) Until I realized you were not being facetious. Now I have gotten glad to see it is not just some of the 'whack-jobs' in the US who understand something about too much debt. I particularly liked the part about the other PIIGS borrowing more money to bail out Greece. Disclosure: I am an American. Oh, yeah, I also have a grandfather who came here from Greece. Why should I give them anything special because of it? OT: You never did tell me where your ancestors came from. :)
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
You never did tell me where your ancestors came from.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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RichardM1 wrote:
You never did tell me where your ancestors came from.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
That's in Corfu.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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That's in Corfu.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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See Here[^] US vote 94-0 to let Greece fail! Thank you! That special relationship is still strong I see. If Greece fails, Germany has to do the entire bail out, so Germany will refuse and let Greece hang in the wind. End of the Euro, and hopefully the end of Federal Europe. The Nightmare could soon be over, and the UK could go back to being a sovereign nation. To all you Americans, thanks cousins. Once more we fought a rearguard action against our European Enemies, alone, until the Good ol' USA stood shoulder to shoulder with us!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dude... you're in an almost as rotten boat as the Greeks.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit