Is it just me...
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or does the VS2010 IDE look and feel like some crappy Java IDE from 1996 ?
It's just you.
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it may not be just you, but VS2010 is way better than every Java IDE I've ever used including Eclipse. I must admit I haven't used any new ones in the last couple of years. I never understood how they managed to create those terribly non-responsive IDE's, I've created quite some Java stuff myself, and never discovered a good enough probable cause for crappiness. :)
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
VS2010 is way better than every Java IDE I've ever used including Eclipse
i closed a solution (the first solution i ever opened), and the entire IDE went white, except for a non-functioning ghost view of the search/replace dialog - a dialog which had suddenly docked itself to the right side of the IDE. not. ready. for. release.
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
VS2010 is way better than every Java IDE I've ever used including Eclipse
i closed a solution (the first solution i ever opened), and the entire IDE went white, except for a non-functioning ghost view of the search/replace dialog - a dialog which had suddenly docked itself to the right side of the IDE. not. ready. for. release.
sh*t happens. The day I first installed VS2010, I copied a 100KLOC project and rebuild it; in less than 20 minutes I had everything in working conditions. I still use VS2008 most of the time, but that is because some of my machines don't have VS2010 installed, and I want to keep my projects compatible across them all. :)
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It's just you.
no, really: the mismatched styles between the menu bar, the top toolbar, the window frame and the interior IDE screams "1996!" the round-topped frameless windows, the bitmap background ? the colors ? X|
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no, really: the mismatched styles between the menu bar, the top toolbar, the window frame and the interior IDE screams "1996!" the round-topped frameless windows, the bitmap background ? the colors ? X|
I like the way the general appearance of the IDE is much more flat than 2008. It gives the impression that the tool is more lightweight. (I know it's just an impression, but still...)
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no, really: the mismatched styles between the menu bar, the top toolbar, the window frame and the interior IDE screams "1996!" the round-topped frameless windows, the bitmap background ? the colors ? X|
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sh*t happens. The day I first installed VS2010, I copied a 100KLOC project and rebuild it; in less than 20 minutes I had everything in working conditions. I still use VS2008 most of the time, but that is because some of my machines don't have VS2010 installed, and I want to keep my projects compatible across them all. :)
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
sh*t happens.
:laugh: second time i tried "close solution", the IDE went solid black. hooray for variety!
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no, really: the mismatched styles between the menu bar, the top toolbar, the window frame and the interior IDE screams "1996!" the round-topped frameless windows, the bitmap background ? the colors ? X|
If the color scheme is really bothering you, you can download another theme. There was a thread on that here very recently.
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If the color scheme is really bothering you, you can download another theme. There was a thread on that here very recently.
Regards, Nish
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the color is just one part of it. the whole UI style is icky.
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or does the VS2010 IDE look and feel like some crappy Java IDE from 1996 ?
Dunno. Never user Java. But I prefer the color scheme of 2008; 2010 is too dark for my tastes.
modified on Saturday, June 5, 2010 12:56 PM
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the color is just one part of it. the whole UI style is icky.
Chris Losinger wrote:
the color is just one part of it. the whole UI style is icky.
If you think this UI is bad, you should take a look at Expression Blend. It's probably the most ghastly UI you'd have seen in years :-D
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
sh*t happens.
:laugh: second time i tried "close solution", the IDE went solid black. hooray for variety!
Keep trying. You're bound to eventually get a color you'll like. BTW: did you perform a clean install? or did you have a beta or RC before? Mine was clean, I'm in no hurry getting the latest of everything. :)
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Dunno. Never user Java. But I prefer the color scheme of 2008; 2010 is too dark for my tastes.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
2010 is to dark
if you meant that literally, you could skin[^] it. :)
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Keep trying. You're bound to eventually get a color you'll like. BTW: did you perform a clean install? or did you have a beta or RC before? Mine was clean, I'm in no hurry getting the latest of everything. :)
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nope, this is the first time i've installed it. it's a clean install of the "trial" version that i downloaded Wednesday. here's some fun. i'm building a library. it's all C/C++, no MFC or ATL. some STL. so, same source code, same build options, 5 different VC++ versions. this is a static lib, linking against the debug multi-threaded CRT. watch the library size grow! VC6: 8,400K VS03: 19,000K VS05: 33,000K VS08: 36,000K VS10: 60,000K again, same source, same options. as if the 4x bloat from VC6 to VS08 wasn't bad enough, the nearly 8x bloat to VS10 is absurd. and why ? well, it probably has something to do with the fact that you can no longer omit debugging info from a library ! (Properties, C/C++, General, Debug Info Format). another fine choice, MS. as was getting rid of the MDI interface!
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or does the VS2010 IDE look and feel like some crappy Java IDE from 1996 ?
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
2010 is to dark
if you meant that literally, you could skin[^] it. :)
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Homey don't play dat.
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nope, this is the first time i've installed it. it's a clean install of the "trial" version that i downloaded Wednesday. here's some fun. i'm building a library. it's all C/C++, no MFC or ATL. some STL. so, same source code, same build options, 5 different VC++ versions. this is a static lib, linking against the debug multi-threaded CRT. watch the library size grow! VC6: 8,400K VS03: 19,000K VS05: 33,000K VS08: 36,000K VS10: 60,000K again, same source, same options. as if the 4x bloat from VC6 to VS08 wasn't bad enough, the nearly 8x bloat to VS10 is absurd. and why ? well, it probably has something to do with the fact that you can no longer omit debugging info from a library ! (Properties, C/C++, General, Debug Info Format). another fine choice, MS. as was getting rid of the MDI interface!
I haven't done any native code on VS2010 yet, I don't do much of it at all. I'm mostly active in C#. I too blame MS for taking too many decisions; it is fine they add functionality and features, improve speed or size; it is not OK they decide things the users should be able to decide for themselves. I know, doing so could lead to lots of settings, well so be it. It should be possible to recreate what you had when switching tool generations, so functionality, look and feel, size, and performance should, at some setting, be nearly identical. However they seem to think they know better. It holds true for all their products: Windows, Office, Visual, ... I for one would not remove the old menu bar from Office; just add the ribbon, and let the user decide. Why force these things? With all their OO prowess, how hard can it be to offer two different views on the command infrastructure? :)
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or does the VS2010 IDE look and feel like some crappy Java IDE from 1996 ?
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I haven't done any native code on VS2010 yet, I don't do much of it at all. I'm mostly active in C#. I too blame MS for taking too many decisions; it is fine they add functionality and features, improve speed or size; it is not OK they decide things the users should be able to decide for themselves. I know, doing so could lead to lots of settings, well so be it. It should be possible to recreate what you had when switching tool generations, so functionality, look and feel, size, and performance should, at some setting, be nearly identical. However they seem to think they know better. It holds true for all their products: Windows, Office, Visual, ... I for one would not remove the old menu bar from Office; just add the ribbon, and let the user decide. Why force these things? With all their OO prowess, how hard can it be to offer two different views on the command infrastructure? :)
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Luc Pattyn wrote:
With all their OO prowess, how hard can it be to offer two different views on the command infrastructure
About as hard as it is to properly OOpify the plain old TextBox. Since Win95 I keep reading about how they are going to move everything over to 'proper' OO. Haven't seen much evidence of it yet.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
the color is just one part of it. the whole UI style is icky.
If you think this UI is bad, you should take a look at Expression Blend. It's probably the most ghastly UI you'd have seen in years :-D
Regards, Nish
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Maybe they should come up with a way of splitting the job, leaving the technical stuff to technical people, and the aesthetic aspects to some designers; we would then get functional and reliable tools that look good too. I wonder why they haven't done so yet, or did I miss something? :laugh:
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