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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
You think the unemployed can afford guitars?
Yeah, they nick them.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Just how much money do you think that the unemployed can draw in benefits?
Well, in the UK it must be around 80 a week now I guess.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Yeah, they nick them.
Because every unemployed person is automatically a thief.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
I'm livening things up...
Well, its not working. I really dont know how posting Zenesque, which arent Zen really because they arent reality breaking enough, is lively. Try putting some life into your poetry, see it it makes a difference.
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fat_boy wrote:
I really dont know how posting Zenesque, which arent Zen really because they arent reality breaking enough, is lively.
As opposed to the same diatribes, generalizations, and rampant stupidity is lively?
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
I'm livening things up...
Well, its not working. I really dont know how posting Zenesque, which arent Zen really because they arent reality breaking enough, is lively. Try putting some life into your poetry, see it it makes a difference.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
"Zenesque?" They're just haikus... Ya know, 5-7-5?
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fat_boy wrote:
I really dont know how posting Zenesque, which arent Zen really because they arent reality breaking enough, is lively.
As opposed to the same diatribes, generalizations, and rampant stupidity is lively?
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
As opposed to the same diatribes, generalizations, and rampant stupidity is lively?
What you mean is: "As opposed to the same diatribes, generalizations, and rampant stupidity. Are they lively?" Anyway, yes, it is difficult keeping up the interest and enthusiasm required by CPs more interesting forums.
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"Zenesque?" They're just haikus... Ya know, 5-7-5?
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)The haiku, the three line stanza, is a classic Bhuddist poem whose incompleteness and elusive meaning i designed to break the sense of reality that binds us to the earth and therefore reincrnation. Zen is a Japonese form of Bhuddism. But surely you know this?
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30%!? Are you sure!? You really think 30% of the countries revenue goes on social security excluding health care?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I googled and it looks like it's 20%. Some countries ARE at 30%, however.
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The haiku, the three line stanza, is a classic Bhuddist poem whose incompleteness and elusive meaning i designed to break the sense of reality that binds us to the earth and therefore reincrnation. Zen is a Japonese form of Bhuddism. But surely you know this?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Nope, never heard that before in my life. To me, a haiku is a funny little poem with a specific number of syllables. Other than that, everything is negotiable.
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At home, we have enclaves of fourth generation unemployed people, raising kids in poverty, whose best and most viable life option is to have a kid as early as possible ( I would guess median age at 15 ), so they get a baby bonus payment ( more money that their family ever sees in one place otherwise ) and a pension for life. Then I see them on TV, saying things like 'raising a child is not easy, we don't live a life of luxury'. No, you don't. But, that doesn't mean I should be paying for your life, not when you chose it. Now, IVF is taxpayer funded to people who want a kid without sex ( lesbians being the obvious one ). What the hell is going on ? And, the other issue is, the kids are rarely properly raised, and tend to turn out like CSS. So, there is no upside for society.
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You are not paying for their life. You are paying for the hope that the kids will have a real one. If we could get good fosters, I'd say take them and give them to fosters, and charge the parents the cost. I don't think we have enough fosters, as it is, and this would make it worse, until the 'parents' start figuring out they can be fosters, too. Then A has more kids for B to foster, and vise versa. There is no system that can not be gamed.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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You are not paying for their life. You are paying for the hope that the kids will have a real one. If we could get good fosters, I'd say take them and give them to fosters, and charge the parents the cost. I don't think we have enough fosters, as it is, and this would make it worse, until the 'parents' start figuring out they can be fosters, too. Then A has more kids for B to foster, and vise versa. There is no system that can not be gamed.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
You are paying for the hope that the kids will have a real one.
That's a hell of a poor investment. Either way, I am creating an incentive for them to live dead end lives, being bad mothers, chain smoking and watching TV while their kids light fires and terrorise the neighbourhood.
RichardM1 wrote:
There is no system that can not be gamed.
A system that says you have to pay for your own mistakes, can't be gamed.
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At home, we have enclaves of fourth generation unemployed people, raising kids in poverty, whose best and most viable life option is to have a kid as early as possible ( I would guess median age at 15 ), so they get a baby bonus payment ( more money that their family ever sees in one place otherwise ) and a pension for life. Then I see them on TV, saying things like 'raising a child is not easy, we don't live a life of luxury'. No, you don't. But, that doesn't mean I should be paying for your life, not when you chose it. Now, IVF is taxpayer funded to people who want a kid without sex ( lesbians being the obvious one ). What the hell is going on ? And, the other issue is, the kids are rarely properly raised, and tend to turn out like CSS. So, there is no upside for society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
That what socialism does. It breeds domesticated degenerate sheep
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People bleat about the right to have children, but it is not a right, it is a priveledge. And Lesbian and Gay people moan about Their rights to raise a family, and that is fine, but what of the child's rights to have a mother and a father? And why, given the massive overpopulation in this world are we paying for IVF? If you want it, you pay for it. In the UK there is Child Allowance, a universal benefit for anyone who has had a child. Far from giving Child Allowance, I would abolish it and put a Tax on having children, that would stop the feckless from shagging their way into publicly funded housing and cut the number of feral children who come out of school after 11 years for free education barely able to scratch their name on a dole cheque and who communicate in grunts and whistles.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
I would abolish it and put a Tax on having children
So you want the family will have a lower standard of living? What happens if the parents don't pay the tax on their children?
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That what socialism does. It breeds domesticated degenerate sheep
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Perhaps. I mean, I would agree that in this case, we have too much socialism. Your problem is typically that you assume that anything that isn't the opposite of socialism has to be bad, and that all capitalism is good, taken to whatever extreme possible.
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Perhaps. I mean, I would agree that in this case, we have too much socialism. Your problem is typically that you assume that anything that isn't the opposite of socialism has to be bad, and that all capitalism is good, taken to whatever extreme possible.
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Liberty, property rights, and free-markets is the only system that works. It not only works, it allows society to thrive.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
I would abolish it and put a Tax on having children
So you want the family will have a lower standard of living? What happens if the parents don't pay the tax on their children?
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Then the children are taken away, and the parents are sent to forced labour camps.
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Liberty, property rights, and free-markets is the only system that works. It not only works, it allows society to thrive.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Liberty, property rights, and free-markets is the only system that works.
Yes, those elements need to exist, I agree. However, a completely free market only works for the chosen few. You forget that the winners write history. No-one cared about the people dying and being oppressed by that system.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Liberty, property rights, and free-markets is the only system that works.
Yes, those elements need to exist, I agree. However, a completely free market only works for the chosen few. You forget that the winners write history. No-one cared about the people dying and being oppressed by that system.
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Christian Graus wrote:
However, a completely free market only works for the chosen few.
You have it backwards, the chosen few win in a rigged economy. There are still laws in a free-market. You cannot falsely advertise, steal, break contracts, kill people. In a free-market, with liberty and property rights, you have the perfect balance.
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Christian Graus wrote:
However, a completely free market only works for the chosen few.
You have it backwards, the chosen few win in a rigged economy. There are still laws in a free-market. You cannot falsely advertise, steal, break contracts, kill people. In a free-market, with liberty and property rights, you have the perfect balance.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You have it backwards, the chosen few win in a rigged economy.
If the economy is too rigged, then perhaps, to some degree. My point is, there are clear losers in a pure capitalistic system, and they are the poor and under privileged. That is plainly true, from history.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There are still laws in a free-market. You cannot falsely advertise, steal, break contracts, kill people. In a free-market, with liberty and property rights, you have the perfect balance.
None of this stops companies from taking advantage of people, and creating a system that the poor cannot escape, where their lives are cut short and rendered not worth living.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
You have it backwards, the chosen few win in a rigged economy.
If the economy is too rigged, then perhaps, to some degree. My point is, there are clear losers in a pure capitalistic system, and they are the poor and under privileged. That is plainly true, from history.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There are still laws in a free-market. You cannot falsely advertise, steal, break contracts, kill people. In a free-market, with liberty and property rights, you have the perfect balance.
None of this stops companies from taking advantage of people, and creating a system that the poor cannot escape, where their lives are cut short and rendered not worth living.
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Christian Graus wrote:
there are clear losers in a pure capitalistic system
As there should be.
Christian Graus wrote:
and they are the poor and under privileged
The poor can get a job, and better their lot so their children and grandchildren can be "privileged".
Christian Graus wrote:
None of this stops companies from taking advantage of people
Taking advantage of cheap labor and low prices is a good thing.
Christian Graus wrote:
and creating a system that the poor cannot escape, where their lives are cut short and rendered not worth living.
This is just a your made up bullshit.
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Christian Graus wrote:
there are clear losers in a pure capitalistic system
As there should be.
Christian Graus wrote:
and they are the poor and under privileged
The poor can get a job, and better their lot so their children and grandchildren can be "privileged".
Christian Graus wrote:
None of this stops companies from taking advantage of people
Taking advantage of cheap labor and low prices is a good thing.
Christian Graus wrote:
and creating a system that the poor cannot escape, where their lives are cut short and rendered not worth living.
This is just a your made up bullshit.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
As there should be.
Well, I don't expect everyone to have an equal lifestyle. I just think that my awesome lifestyle should not be built on pushing down my cost of living, by not paying the people who provide me with goods and services, enough to live on. Capitalism does not care about that.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The poor can get a job, and better their lot so their children and grandchildren can be "privileged".
This is a fantasy. If the poor are not given access to free education, and if they spend all their time trying to make enough money to stay alive, there's really no chance for the kids to get out of that system.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Taking advantage of cheap labor and low prices is a good thing.
For the companies and the consumers, yes. You've shown many times that you don't care who suffers for you to get ahead. That's the difference between us. The irony is, I'm more successful than you could ever hope to be.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
This is just a your made up bullsh*t.
And this sort of talk is how you hide from facts that don't suit you.
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