This is fantastic stuff, truly epic.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
far too late to change anything
Why should that be the case? After all th eplanet has been much hotter and CO2 richer in the past, and yet we are now at a relatively cold, CO2 impoverished state.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Personally, I don't see how the environment could possibly remain unchanged with all of this industrialization
Every animal and plant changes the environment.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Why should that be the case? After all th eplanet has been much hotter and CO2 richer in the past, and yet we are now at a relatively cold, CO2 impoverished state.
Did you read the rest of the sentence, or just gravitate toward a few words you can argue against? The rest of that phrase was, "we probably won't have a consensus until it's far too late to change anything." As in, political issues are tackled so slowly that by the time we have any sort of politically-accepted answer, so much time will have passed that the prediction would have already manifested itself.
fat_boy wrote:
Every animal and plant changes the environment.
Yeah, and every file on your computer uses hard drive space. Does that mean that a text file with this week's shopping list is just as significant, in terms of storage, as a ripped DVD image? Sure, every organism changes its environment, but show me one other species that has changed it even CLOSE to as much as humanity.
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There are extremists on both sides. At this point, it's just a numbers game... Lots of people are trying to model the trends, and the effects of all the greenhouse gases we're releasing into the atmosphere. No one has a definitive answer yet, and since the issue is becoming more and more political instead of purely scientific, we probably won't have a consensus until it's far too late to change anything. Personally, I don't see how the environment could possibly remain unchanged with all of this industrialization. To me, the question isn't whether things will change, but how and how much. Human extinction in 50 years looks like one hell of an exaggeration, but a global increase of a degree or two by then, coupled with climate shifts in individual regions (Some become warmer, some get cooler, some get wetter, some drier, etc)? Seems plausible, if the numbers hold.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
There are extremists on both sides.
If the extremists of the left go far enough to the extremes, the left of center centrists like yourself will go farther to the left to calibrate.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
and since the issue is becoming more and more political instead of purely scientific
It never was purely scientific. It was a fabrication designed to fear-monger people into accept tyranny and carbon taxes. The idea that humans are bad and their activities must be stopped is an extremely dangerous one.
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fat_boy wrote:
Why should that be the case? After all th eplanet has been much hotter and CO2 richer in the past, and yet we are now at a relatively cold, CO2 impoverished state.
Did you read the rest of the sentence, or just gravitate toward a few words you can argue against? The rest of that phrase was, "we probably won't have a consensus until it's far too late to change anything." As in, political issues are tackled so slowly that by the time we have any sort of politically-accepted answer, so much time will have passed that the prediction would have already manifested itself.
fat_boy wrote:
Every animal and plant changes the environment.
Yeah, and every file on your computer uses hard drive space. Does that mean that a text file with this week's shopping list is just as significant, in terms of storage, as a ripped DVD image? Sure, every organism changes its environment, but show me one other species that has changed it even CLOSE to as much as humanity.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Why do you even bother arguing with him? No one is ever going to change his mind about any of this and he's just going to continue to find articles that support his views. And he's just going to continue to spout ridiculous theories and statements.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
There are extremists on both sides.
If the extremists of the left go far enough to the extremes, the left of center centrists like yourself will go farther to the left to calibrate.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
and since the issue is becoming more and more political instead of purely scientific
It never was purely scientific. It was a fabrication designed to fear-monger people into accept tyranny and carbon taxes. The idea that humans are bad and their activities must be stopped is an extremely dangerous one.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
If the extremists of the left go far enough to the extremes, the left of center centrists like yourself will go farther to the left to calibrate.
I have no interest in "calibrating." My views are what they are, and they only change with the addition of new evidence.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It never was purely scientific. It was a fabrication designed to fear-monger people into accept tyranny and carbon taxes. The idea that humans are bad and their activities must be stopped is an extremely dangerous one.
You seem to be the only one spreading fear on this forum, kiddo.
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What, this[^]!? Do you just believe EVERY conspiracy theory out there, no matter how daft, or is there a selection process?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I don't "believe" theories. I do research into psycology, history, understand the mindset of the public and people in government, read the books written by these globalists like John P. Holdren and Rockefeller. It is all right in front of your face but you are under a spell. It is psychologically impossible for you to assess your trap. Here are some quotes from Bertrand Russell for you. "Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy. . . . It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fitche laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . . Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. . . . "Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton." . . . there is a small area of brain tissue that is responsible for the individual's power to resist domination. Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluorine will in time gradually reduce the individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing this area of brain tissue and make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. . . . . . . any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person, mentally or physically.'"
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Why do you even bother arguing with him? No one is ever going to change his mind about any of this and he's just going to continue to find articles that support his views. And he's just going to continue to spout ridiculous theories and statements.
I'd like to say that I'm trying to talk sense into him, or force him to think logically instead of just following the party line... But really, I'm just bored.
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I don't "believe" theories. I do research into psycology, history, understand the mindset of the public and people in government, read the books written by these globalists like John P. Holdren and Rockefeller. It is all right in front of your face but you are under a spell. It is psychologically impossible for you to assess your trap. Here are some quotes from Bertrand Russell for you. "Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy. . . . It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fitche laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . . Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. . . . "Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton." . . . there is a small area of brain tissue that is responsible for the individual's power to resist domination. Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluorine will in time gradually reduce the individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing this area of brain tissue and make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. . . . . . . any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person, mentally or physically.'"
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Wow... Do you actually believe that nonsense? Before I drop back into haiku (You're getting dull again), let me give you a few facts... 1) Governments and corporations are made up of PEOPLE. Lots and lots of people. The vast majority of these people are merely in support positions, to carry out the instructions of the top brass. These are not programmed automatons that are unable to think for themselves. These are just people, of varying levels of intelligence, with varying personalities and motivations. 2) For any of these vast, global conspiracies to work, they would require the involvement, willing cooperation, and complete confidentiality of hundreds or thousands of these people. 3) In this day and age, any idiot with half a brain can hop on the Internet and tell the entire world their secrets, whether it's through anonymous forum postings, blogs, or a whistleblower site like Wikileaks. Any action by the government/corporation/illuminati to cover up said postings would just elicit more attention (See: Streisand Effect)
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Wow... Do you actually believe that nonsense? Before I drop back into haiku (You're getting dull again), let me give you a few facts... 1) Governments and corporations are made up of PEOPLE. Lots and lots of people. The vast majority of these people are merely in support positions, to carry out the instructions of the top brass. These are not programmed automatons that are unable to think for themselves. These are just people, of varying levels of intelligence, with varying personalities and motivations. 2) For any of these vast, global conspiracies to work, they would require the involvement, willing cooperation, and complete confidentiality of hundreds or thousands of these people. 3) In this day and age, any idiot with half a brain can hop on the Internet and tell the entire world their secrets, whether it's through anonymous forum postings, blogs, or a whistleblower site like Wikileaks. Any action by the government/corporation/illuminati to cover up said postings would just elicit more attention (See: Streisand Effect)
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
- Governments and corporations are made up of PEOPLE. Lots and lots of people. The vast majority of these people are merely in support positions, to carry out the instructions of the top brass. These are not programmed automatons that are unable to think for themselves. These are just people, of varying levels of intelligence, with varying personalities and motivations. 2) For any of these vast, global conspiracies to work, they would require the involvement, willing cooperation, and complete confidentiality of hundreds or thousands of these people. 3) In this day and age, any idiot with half a brain can hop on the Internet and tell the entire world their secrets, whether it's through anonymous forum postings, blogs, or a whistleblower site like Wikileaks. Any action by the government/corporation/illuminati to cover up said postings would just elicit more attention (See: Streisand Effect)
Mao's government murdered 60-80 million Chinese, Stanlin's government murdered millions, Hitlers government murdered millions. And to say that the internet is bringing light to these murderous people, you are right, and that is why they are moving to shut it down. However they still have sheep like you to go along to get along, and refusing to investigate anything and just dismiss it as a conspiracy theory.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
- Governments and corporations are made up of PEOPLE. Lots and lots of people. The vast majority of these people are merely in support positions, to carry out the instructions of the top brass. These are not programmed automatons that are unable to think for themselves. These are just people, of varying levels of intelligence, with varying personalities and motivations. 2) For any of these vast, global conspiracies to work, they would require the involvement, willing cooperation, and complete confidentiality of hundreds or thousands of these people. 3) In this day and age, any idiot with half a brain can hop on the Internet and tell the entire world their secrets, whether it's through anonymous forum postings, blogs, or a whistleblower site like Wikileaks. Any action by the government/corporation/illuminati to cover up said postings would just elicit more attention (See: Streisand Effect)
Mao's government murdered 60-80 million Chinese, Stanlin's government murdered millions, Hitlers government murdered millions. And to say that the internet is bringing light to these murderous people, you are right, and that is why they are moving to shut it down. However they still have sheep like you to go along to get along, and refusing to investigate anything and just dismiss it as a conspiracy theory.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Mao's government murdered 60-80 million Chinese, Stanlin's government murdered millions, Hitlers government murdered millions.
Not conspiracies Done with public in-the-know So not relevant.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
And to say that the internet is bringing light to these murderous people, you are right, and that is why they are moving to shut it down.
Story proven false In the back room, days ago You ignored the facts
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
However they still have sheep like you to go along to get along, and refusing to investigate anything and just dismiss it as a conspiracy theory.
There is a divide 'tween researching evidence And believing it You always assume Every theory is gospel Never question it Those of us with brains Look at facts on either side Make up our own minds Then, if your side fails Dismiss as conspiracy Laugh at you some more.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Mao's government murdered 60-80 million Chinese, Stanlin's government murdered millions, Hitlers government murdered millions.
Not conspiracies Done with public in-the-know So not relevant.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
And to say that the internet is bringing light to these murderous people, you are right, and that is why they are moving to shut it down.
Story proven false In the back room, days ago You ignored the facts
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
However they still have sheep like you to go along to get along, and refusing to investigate anything and just dismiss it as a conspiracy theory.
There is a divide 'tween researching evidence And believing it You always assume Every theory is gospel Never question it Those of us with brains Look at facts on either side Make up our own minds Then, if your side fails Dismiss as conspiracy Laugh at you some more.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Not conspiracies
Do you even know what a conspiracy is?
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Not conspiracies
Do you even know what a conspiracy is?
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Conspiracies are Defined by their secrecy. What more need be said?
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Conspiracies are Defined by their secrecy. What more need be said?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)People didn't believe Hitler was exterminating Jews, in fact, there are still people who deny it. You are similar to a Holocaust denier.
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People didn't believe Hitler was exterminating Jews, in fact, there are still people who deny it. You are similar to a Holocaust denier.
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Wow, that happened fast You have invoked Godwin's Law You have lost the thread.
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Wow, that happened fast You have invoked Godwin's Law You have lost the thread.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)This is the perfect quote for you. "Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible." - Bertrand Russell
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This is the perfect quote for you. "Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible." - Bertrand Russell
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Here is one for you: "I'm a Karamazov... when I fall into the abyss, I go straight into it, head down and heels up, and I'm even pleased that I'm falling in such a humiliating position, and for me I find it beautiful. And so in that very shame I suddenly begin a hymn. Let me be cursed, let me be base and vile, but let me also kiss the hem of that garment in which my God is clothed; let me be following the devil at the same time, but still I am also your son, Lord, and I love you, and I feel a joy without which the world cannot stand and be."
The bearing of a child takes nine months, no matter how many women are assigned.
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This is the perfect quote for you. "Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible." - Bertrand Russell
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Already said that And you ignored rebuttals Just as usual.
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This is the perfect quote for you. "Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible." - Bertrand Russell
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This is an argument from authority i.e. invoke the name of some respected person to support one's views. However, such arguments are highly suspect. In this case more so since they are BR's opinions about how the future will develop. They are not cast iron certainties as to what is to come. It's rather like me quoting Zamyatin, Orwell or Huxley to support a particular view of what might happen. In this case you would (rightly) dismiss the views since they are fiction, but the same applies to BR except they are speculation.
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This is an argument from authority i.e. invoke the name of some respected person to support one's views. However, such arguments are highly suspect. In this case more so since they are BR's opinions about how the future will develop. They are not cast iron certainties as to what is to come. It's rather like me quoting Zamyatin, Orwell or Huxley to support a particular view of what might happen. In this case you would (rightly) dismiss the views since they are fiction, but the same applies to BR except they are speculation.
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You're assuming he can tell the difference between fiction and reality :) I'm glad he hasn't read my novels... Otherwise he'd be preaching about a vast, inter-dimensional army poised to invade our planet. Then he'd probably start talking about powerful sorcerers living among us that can save us from the invaders... You know, come to think of it, that would make a much more entertaining forum thread.
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I don't "believe" theories. I do research into psycology, history, understand the mindset of the public and people in government, read the books written by these globalists like John P. Holdren and Rockefeller. It is all right in front of your face but you are under a spell. It is psychologically impossible for you to assess your trap. Here are some quotes from Bertrand Russell for you. "Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy. . . . It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fitche laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . . Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. . . . "Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton." . . . there is a small area of brain tissue that is responsible for the individual's power to resist domination. Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluorine will in time gradually reduce the individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing this area of brain tissue and make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. . . . . . . any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person, mentally or physically.'"
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I do research into psycology, history, understand the mindset of the public and people in government, read the books written by these globalists like John P. Holdren and Rockefeller.
Ah, yes. Your amazing understanding of Holdren's 'Ecoscience: Population, Resources, and Environment'[^]. Your responses make it quite clear that you had never read the book, just an out of context quote from one of those sites that attacked Obama via his Science Advisor, Holdren. As you now claim to have read the book, can you tell me which 'genocidal' option Holdren chose?
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fat_boy wrote:
we also need geo-engineering because we have already gone way beyond the safe CO2 level of 300 to 325 ppm.
Nobody believes me when I say they are chemtrailing us (a laymen's term for geo-engineering)
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Quote from Wikipedia: The chemtrail conspiracy theory holds that some contrails are actually chemicals or biological agents deliberately sprayed at high altitudes for a purpose undisclosed to the general public. Nothing to do with geo-engineering. And follow Ian's link for the full article.
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