This is fantastic stuff, truly epic.
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This is an argument from authority i.e. invoke the name of some respected person to support one's views. However, such arguments are highly suspect. In this case more so since they are BR's opinions about how the future will develop. They are not cast iron certainties as to what is to come. It's rather like me quoting Zamyatin, Orwell or Huxley to support a particular view of what might happen. In this case you would (rightly) dismiss the views since they are fiction, but the same applies to BR except they are speculation.
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You're assuming he can tell the difference between fiction and reality :) I'm glad he hasn't read my novels... Otherwise he'd be preaching about a vast, inter-dimensional army poised to invade our planet. Then he'd probably start talking about powerful sorcerers living among us that can save us from the invaders... You know, come to think of it, that would make a much more entertaining forum thread.
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I don't "believe" theories. I do research into psycology, history, understand the mindset of the public and people in government, read the books written by these globalists like John P. Holdren and Rockefeller. It is all right in front of your face but you are under a spell. It is psychologically impossible for you to assess your trap. Here are some quotes from Bertrand Russell for you. "Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy. . . . It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fitche laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . . Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. . . . "Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton." . . . there is a small area of brain tissue that is responsible for the individual's power to resist domination. Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluorine will in time gradually reduce the individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing this area of brain tissue and make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. . . . . . . any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person, mentally or physically.'"
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I do research into psycology, history, understand the mindset of the public and people in government, read the books written by these globalists like John P. Holdren and Rockefeller.
Ah, yes. Your amazing understanding of Holdren's 'Ecoscience: Population, Resources, and Environment'[^]. Your responses make it quite clear that you had never read the book, just an out of context quote from one of those sites that attacked Obama via his Science Advisor, Holdren. As you now claim to have read the book, can you tell me which 'genocidal' option Holdren chose?
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fat_boy wrote:
we also need geo-engineering because we have already gone way beyond the safe CO2 level of 300 to 325 ppm.
Nobody believes me when I say they are chemtrailing us (a laymen's term for geo-engineering)
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Quote from Wikipedia: The chemtrail conspiracy theory holds that some contrails are actually chemicals or biological agents deliberately sprayed at high altitudes for a purpose undisclosed to the general public. Nothing to do with geo-engineering. And follow Ian's link for the full article.
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People didn't believe Hitler was exterminating Jews, in fact, there are still people who deny it. You are similar to a Holocaust denier.
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here is your strawman: equating the holocaust to conspiracies
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I'd like to say that I'm trying to talk sense into him, or force him to think logically instead of just following the party line... But really, I'm just bored.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
But really, I'm just bored.
^this
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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I don't "believe" theories. I do research into psycology, history, understand the mindset of the public and people in government, read the books written by these globalists like John P. Holdren and Rockefeller. It is all right in front of your face but you are under a spell. It is psychologically impossible for you to assess your trap. Here are some quotes from Bertrand Russell for you. "Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy. . . . It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fitche laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . . Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. . . . "Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton." . . . there is a small area of brain tissue that is responsible for the individual's power to resist domination. Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluorine will in time gradually reduce the individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing this area of brain tissue and make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. . . . . . . any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person, mentally or physically.'"
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Here are some quotes from Bertrand Russell for you.
And here are some for you [my emphasis], enjoy: "If raw materials are not to be used up too fast, there must not be free competition for their acquisition and use but an international authority to ration them in such quantities as may from time to time seem compatible with continued industrial prosperity. And similar considerations apply to soil conservation." "To deal with [the problem of increasing population and decreasing food supplies] it will be necessary to find ways of preventing an increase in world population. If this is to be done otherwise than by wars, pestilence, and famines, it will demand a powerful international authority. This authority should deal out the world’s food to the various nations in proportion to their population at the time of the establishment of the authority. If any nation subsequently increased its population it should not on that account receive any more food. The motive for not increasing population would therefore be very compelling. What method of preventing an increase might be preferred should be left to each state to decide."
Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.
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I don't "believe" theories. I do research into psycology, history, understand the mindset of the public and people in government, read the books written by these globalists like John P. Holdren and Rockefeller. It is all right in front of your face but you are under a spell. It is psychologically impossible for you to assess your trap. Here are some quotes from Bertrand Russell for you. "Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy. . . . It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fitche laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . . Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. . . . "Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton." . . . there is a small area of brain tissue that is responsible for the individual's power to resist domination. Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluorine will in time gradually reduce the individual's power to resist domination by slowly poisoning and narcotizing this area of brain tissue and make him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. . . . . . . any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person, mentally or physically.'"
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You're assuming he can tell the difference between fiction and reality :) I'm glad he hasn't read my novels... Otherwise he'd be preaching about a vast, inter-dimensional army poised to invade our planet. Then he'd probably start talking about powerful sorcerers living among us that can save us from the invaders... You know, come to think of it, that would make a much more entertaining forum thread.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)you wrote dyanetics? /ducksandruns
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you wrote dyanetics? /ducksandruns
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
Man... That's just mean... Seriously, if my novels become famous and develop a religious following, I'm going to take every possible opportunity to remind the public that they're works of fiction, and that anyone who believes them to be some kind of religious text needs a straight jacket and a padded cell. EDIT: I'm not saying scientology is an actual religion... But I don't want to say what I REALLY think about it, because I'm using my real name, and they'll probably google this post and sue me.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Man... That's just mean... Seriously, if my novels become famous and develop a religious following, I'm going to take every possible opportunity to remind the public that they're works of fiction, and that anyone who believes them to be some kind of religious text needs a straight jacket and a padded cell. EDIT: I'm not saying scientology is an actual religion... But I don't want to say what I REALLY think about it, because I'm using my real name, and they'll probably google this post and sue me.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Heh. I talked to someone that was stoned in the room with those two when they made their famous bet about making a religion. Stranger in a Strange Land's religion was much cooler if you ask me. remind me to buy a book if this job I interviewed for pans out.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
There are extremists on both sides.
If the extremists of the left go far enough to the extremes, the left of center centrists like yourself will go farther to the left to calibrate.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
and since the issue is becoming more and more political instead of purely scientific
It never was purely scientific. It was a fabrication designed to fear-monger people into accept tyranny and carbon taxes. The idea that humans are bad and their activities must be stopped is an extremely dangerous one.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The idea that humans are bad and their activities must be stopped is an extremely dangerous one.
Tell that to the dodo or passenger pigeon. I don't think anyone but the loonies are arguing that human activity needs to be stopped. Some of our actions need to be modified if we want to keep our environment viable for us. This is pretty hard to argue against when you see the damage pollution and uncontrolled industry have on the local environment.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Here are some quotes from Bertrand Russell for you.
And here are some for you [my emphasis], enjoy: "If raw materials are not to be used up too fast, there must not be free competition for their acquisition and use but an international authority to ration them in such quantities as may from time to time seem compatible with continued industrial prosperity. And similar considerations apply to soil conservation." "To deal with [the problem of increasing population and decreasing food supplies] it will be necessary to find ways of preventing an increase in world population. If this is to be done otherwise than by wars, pestilence, and famines, it will demand a powerful international authority. This authority should deal out the world’s food to the various nations in proportion to their population at the time of the establishment of the authority. If any nation subsequently increased its population it should not on that account receive any more food. The motive for not increasing population would therefore be very compelling. What method of preventing an increase might be preferred should be left to each state to decide."
Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.
Yes, I know. I didn't say Bertrand Russell is an American patriot, who stands up for the God given natural born rights of liberty, property rights, and free-markets.
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fat_boy wrote:
Why should that be the case? After all th eplanet has been much hotter and CO2 richer in the past, and yet we are now at a relatively cold, CO2 impoverished state.
Did you read the rest of the sentence, or just gravitate toward a few words you can argue against? The rest of that phrase was, "we probably won't have a consensus until it's far too late to change anything." As in, political issues are tackled so slowly that by the time we have any sort of politically-accepted answer, so much time will have passed that the prediction would have already manifested itself.
fat_boy wrote:
Every animal and plant changes the environment.
Yeah, and every file on your computer uses hard drive space. Does that mean that a text file with this week's shopping list is just as significant, in terms of storage, as a ripped DVD image? Sure, every organism changes its environment, but show me one other species that has changed it even CLOSE to as much as humanity.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Did you read the rest of the sentence, or just gravitate toward a few words you can argue against?
Ian Shlasko wrote:
As in, political issues are tackled so slowly that by the time we have any sort of politically-accepted answer, so much time will have passed that the prediction would have already manifested itself.
If thats what you meant then why not write it rather than bitch about it later. I am not psychic, I cant read your meanings, only your words.
Ian Shlasko wrote:
Sure, every organism changes its environment, but show me one other species that has changed it even CLOSE to as much as humanity
Rabbits in Australia (they are a plague). Bees. Without them you wouldnt have flowers. And I read somewhere the total mass of termite nests outweighs all mans constructions. Fact is energy is abundant, so are resources, and mankinds population in the developed countries has stabilised. CO2 is good for plants and there is no evidence at all that it causes warming, only a suspicion. So all in all, whats the big deal, or are you just down on humanity like so many other environmentalists (and other religious orders)?
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We also had much higher levels of free oxygen at one point with dragonflies the size of eagles and lightning causing immediate flash fires. Just because the planet can support something doesn't mean it will be particularly pleasant or desirable to the human species.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Just because the planet can support something doesn't mean it will be particularly pleasant or desirable to the human species.
After all manikind will definitely die if temperatures increase by 5 degrees and CO2 goes up to 1000 PPM no?
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Yes, I know. I didn't say Bertrand Russell is an American patriot, who stands up for the God given natural born rights of liberty, property rights, and free-markets.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Yes, I know.
No you don't. You just regurgitate the cherry picked quotes placed in the sites you frequent. As you did with Holdren.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I didn't say Bertrand Russell is an American patriot, who stands up for the God given natural born rights of liberty, property rights, and free-markets.
Your God-given ignorance is truly breathtaking.
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Yes, I know. I didn't say Bertrand Russell is an American patriot, who stands up for the God given natural born rights of liberty, property rights, and free-markets.
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Good job too as he was British Aristocracy who disliked America and it's violence, both domestic and as part of it's foreign policy. Philospher, Logician, Mathematician and Linguist. Also won the Nobel Prize. Read before talking bollocks.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Just because the planet can support something doesn't mean it will be particularly pleasant or desirable to the human species.
After all manikind will definitely die if temperatures increase by 5 degrees and CO2 goes up to 1000 PPM no?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Just like they didn't before.
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Why do you even bother arguing with him? No one is ever going to change his mind about any of this and he's just going to continue to find articles that support his views. And he's just going to continue to spout ridiculous theories and statements.
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Just like they didn't before.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The idea that humans are bad and their activities must be stopped is an extremely dangerous one.
Tell that to the dodo or passenger pigeon. I don't think anyone but the loonies are arguing that human activity needs to be stopped. Some of our actions need to be modified if we want to keep our environment viable for us. This is pretty hard to argue against when you see the damage pollution and uncontrolled industry have on the local environment.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
I don't think anyone but the loonies are arguing that human activity needs to be stopped
Well I don't think I am a loony but I certainly don't go along with your argument since I have no desire to live in a world without some of the technological and other advances we now take for granted. If 'they' could come up with viable, cost effective alternatives that would still fulfill my need to live in relative comfort whilst being beneficial to the environment then all well and good. Otherwise find other solutions: no one will willingly pay more taxes or give up life styles just because one set of scientists have one idea whilst another set refute it. Besides, there are other far more pressing problems. Over population. Water shortages. Proliferation of nuclear weaponry to countries that won't hesitate to use them. Proliferation of ideologies so totally opposed to ours (okay, mine) that it may lead to war. And I really don't think anyone would ever consider me a loony. At least, that's what my psychiatrist keeps telling me...
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