Rapid Arctic ice loss continues through June
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Average June ice extent was the lowest in the satellite data record, from 1979 to 2010.[^] "Meanwhile, in Antarctica At the end of June, Southern Hemisphere mid-winter, the sea ice surrounding Antarctica was more than two standard deviations greater than normal." Funny how we never hear about Antartica isnt it. Mind you, its been cooling for 60 years, also something we dont hear since the theory of GW states the poles warm the most. Love this picture, its from jan this year: UK covered in snow[^]. Its an incredible photo still.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Average June ice extent was the lowest in the satellite data record, from 1979 to 2010.[^] "Meanwhile, in Antarctica At the end of June, Southern Hemisphere mid-winter, the sea ice surrounding Antarctica was more than two standard deviations greater than normal." Funny how we never hear about Antartica isnt it. Mind you, its been cooling for 60 years, also something we dont hear since the theory of GW states the poles warm the most. Love this picture, its from jan this year: UK covered in snow[^]. Its an incredible photo still.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
As a New Yorker listening to his AC struggle to cool his apartment, you will find me far from interested in the conditions of the pole furthest from me. Though this does do a wonderful job of showing how picking one place and claiming it disproves the other side just plain doesn't work. And heat waves suck.
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As a New Yorker listening to his AC struggle to cool his apartment, you will find me far from interested in the conditions of the pole furthest from me. Though this does do a wonderful job of showing how picking one place and claiming it disproves the other side just plain doesn't work. And heat waves suck.
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Yeah, cant stand heat myself. As soon as its near 90`F I seriously start to loose interest in doing much.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Average June ice extent was the lowest in the satellite data record, from 1979 to 2010.[^] "Meanwhile, in Antarctica At the end of June, Southern Hemisphere mid-winter, the sea ice surrounding Antarctica was more than two standard deviations greater than normal." Funny how we never hear about Antartica isnt it. Mind you, its been cooling for 60 years, also something we dont hear since the theory of GW states the poles warm the most. Love this picture, its from jan this year: UK covered in snow[^]. Its an incredible photo still.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
"Meanwhile, in Antarctica At the end of June, Southern Hemisphere mid-winter, the sea ice surrounding Antarctica was more than two standard deviations greater than normal."
Where did that come from? Nevermind...I found it...I guess Firefox's search let me down today... Anyway, here's an interesting read for you...of course I'm sure you'll find some way to discount it completely: Is Antarctica Melting?[^]
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Yeah, cant stand heat myself. As soon as its near 90`F I seriously start to loose interest in doing much.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Average June ice extent was the lowest in the satellite data record, from 1979 to 2010.[^] "Meanwhile, in Antarctica At the end of June, Southern Hemisphere mid-winter, the sea ice surrounding Antarctica was more than two standard deviations greater than normal." Funny how we never hear about Antartica isnt it. Mind you, its been cooling for 60 years, also something we dont hear since the theory of GW states the poles warm the most. Love this picture, its from jan this year: UK covered in snow[^]. Its an incredible photo still.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
It's -2 degrees in Tasmania, unusually cold, and I still understand AGW theory well enough to dismiss everything you've got to say on the topic.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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It's -2 degrees in Tasmania, unusually cold, and I still understand AGW theory well enough to dismiss everything you've got to say on the topic.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I still understand AGW theory well enough to dismiss everything you've got to say on the topic.
Ah, so you moved my post here so you could respond because you said you would never post in the backroom again. I guess that says as much about you as we need to know. ;P Anyway, personal attacks aside, I then assume you dismiss all the articles I link to even if written by scientists and that you lack the critical faculties to see through such garbage as the 'wind is warm' science I linked to in my last post.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
"Meanwhile, in Antarctica At the end of June, Southern Hemisphere mid-winter, the sea ice surrounding Antarctica was more than two standard deviations greater than normal."
Where did that come from? Nevermind...I found it...I guess Firefox's search let me down today... Anyway, here's an interesting read for you...of course I'm sure you'll find some way to discount it completely: Is Antarctica Melting?[^]
So according to NSIDC Antarctic sea ice in increasing, and the article you linked to states that surface melting is decreasing. Temperature data shows that with the exception of the western peninsular antartica is cooling, yet according to Isabella Velicogna weighing the ice form space shows that it is loosing mass. So unless the ice has suddenly become more slippery the snow accumulation must have reduced. But its not warming. Its gettin colder. Reduced melting and lower temperatures. Those are the salient fatcs in respect of GW.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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So according to NSIDC Antarctic sea ice in increasing, and the article you linked to states that surface melting is decreasing. Temperature data shows that with the exception of the western peninsular antartica is cooling, yet according to Isabella Velicogna weighing the ice form space shows that it is loosing mass. So unless the ice has suddenly become more slippery the snow accumulation must have reduced. But its not warming. Its gettin colder. Reduced melting and lower temperatures. Those are the salient fatcs in respect of GW.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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one of the reasons the sea ice could be increasing is because the glacier is turning from glacier to sea ice. So, while temp and melting are salient, so are glacier flow and on land mass.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
one of the reasons the sea ice could be increasing is because the glacier is turning from glacier to sea ice
Yes, this is what happens. For example Scotts tent (grave) disapeared into the sea some years later despite being hundreds of miles inland. (The Ross ice shelf).
RichardM1 wrote:
So, while temp and melting are salient, so are glacier flow and on land mass.
Yes, as I said if the flow rate increases, or the snow fall on the glacier decreases, then the volume of ice on the land will decrease. Of course if flow rate increases there must be a cause. Since this hasnt been identified we will have to put increased sea ice down to cooling, which is also backed up by reduced surface mellting and surface temperature measurments. (And please dont drag out that report by Mann that uses a computer program to guess the values between stations and come up with warming, its crap science) The only warming is around the peninsula, which Nasa has stated is due to geological activity on the sea floor.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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RichardM1 wrote:
one of the reasons the sea ice could be increasing is because the glacier is turning from glacier to sea ice
Yes, this is what happens. For example Scotts tent (grave) disapeared into the sea some years later despite being hundreds of miles inland. (The Ross ice shelf).
RichardM1 wrote:
So, while temp and melting are salient, so are glacier flow and on land mass.
Yes, as I said if the flow rate increases, or the snow fall on the glacier decreases, then the volume of ice on the land will decrease. Of course if flow rate increases there must be a cause. Since this hasnt been identified we will have to put increased sea ice down to cooling, which is also backed up by reduced surface mellting and surface temperature measurments. (And please dont drag out that report by Mann that uses a computer program to guess the values between stations and come up with warming, its crap science) The only warming is around the peninsula, which Nasa has stated is due to geological activity on the sea floor.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
you are being circular - the flow rate has increased, whether we know why or not. There is a logical connection between increased flow and increased ocean ice. Side stepping that and saying it must be caused by cooling doesn't follow. if it is cooling, it is, if it isn't, it isn't, but don't force convoluted logic on it.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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you are being circular - the flow rate has increased, whether we know why or not. There is a logical connection between increased flow and increased ocean ice. Side stepping that and saying it must be caused by cooling doesn't follow. if it is cooling, it is, if it isn't, it isn't, but don't force convoluted logic on it.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
the flow rate has increased, whether we know why or not
Sorry, where does it say that in the article you linked to? In fact in any article. Take the well known Ross ice shelf. Show me figures that says its rate of flow is increasing.
RichardM1 wrote:
There is a logical connection between increased flow and increased ocean ice
There is a logical connection between increased sea ice and reduced temperature too. And we KNOW that is happening because the thermometeres tell us so. Which is also qttested to by reduced surface melting which your article DID state. Me circular? You are basing your argument on a nonexistant possibilty.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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RichardM1 wrote:
the flow rate has increased, whether we know why or not
Sorry, where does it say that in the article you linked to? In fact in any article. Take the well known Ross ice shelf. Show me figures that says its rate of flow is increasing.
RichardM1 wrote:
There is a logical connection between increased flow and increased ocean ice
There is a logical connection between increased sea ice and reduced temperature too. And we KNOW that is happening because the thermometeres tell us so. Which is also qttested to by reduced surface melting which your article DID state. Me circular? You are basing your argument on a nonexistant possibilty.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
It sounded like you were conjecturing the lower temperature, based on other things. You were actually stating the fact that temp measured had lowered. So sorry, I misread what you said. As for flow rate increasing - is the loss of mass the same as the loss of new snow? If it is lower - flow rate must be slowing. If it is higher - flow rate must be increasing. BTW, I am not arguing for AGW: I believe the worlds heat budget is always in flux. I believe there could be warming, but I believe our input is minor. I think we are short sighted to think what we like is the best climate for everything. Global climate change happens all the time.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I still understand AGW theory well enough to dismiss everything you've got to say on the topic.
Ah, so you moved my post here so you could respond because you said you would never post in the backroom again. I guess that says as much about you as we need to know. ;P Anyway, personal attacks aside, I then assume you dismiss all the articles I link to even if written by scientists and that you lack the critical faculties to see through such garbage as the 'wind is warm' science I linked to in my last post.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Honestly, you can debate this until aliens bring the dinosaurs back or Xenu returns to claim all of the thetans. Science can't prove it one way or the other. And I can't remember the last time you posted an article written by a scientist about a piece of scientific work that disproves AGW. You either post a scientific article where the authors don't mention climate change or as in this case, actually say it still fits the climate change models, and then you use them to "prove" that AGW is false by making assumptions yourself. Or, you post an "article" written by someone who doesn't believe in AGW and interprets data they way they want to. I'm not saying that it doesn't happen on both sides, but you automatically discount any "science" that indicates a correlation between human activities and global warming simply because you don't believe it. You must be quite an impressive intellectual to have the "critical faculties" to "see through" science when the vast majority of scientists can't. Are you really Lex Luther in disguise?
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Finally we agree, a little warming will be good if it makes you shut the fuck up about it.
Once you agree to clans, tribes, governments...you've opted for socialism. The rest is just details.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I'll have to remove it soon, I post a lot in the Lounge from work, but this *had* to be on my sig, even if only for a short while!
Cheers, विक्रम (Got my troika of CCCs!)
"cant stand heat myself. As soon as its near 90`F I seriously start to loose interest in doing much." - fat_boy. "Finally we agree, a little warming will be good if it makes you shut the f*** up about it." - Tim Craig.
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I'll have to remove it soon, I post a lot in the Lounge from work, but this *had* to be on my sig, even if only for a short while!
Cheers, विक्रम (Got my troika of CCCs!)
"cant stand heat myself. As soon as its near 90`F I seriously start to loose interest in doing much." - fat_boy. "Finally we agree, a little warming will be good if it makes you shut the f*** up about it." - Tim Craig.
