Thousands of plants not known to exist face extinction!
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http://sify.com/news/thousands-of-undiscovered-plant-species-face-extinction-news-international-khiokeahegd.html[^] "'If we take the number of species that are currently known to be threatened and add to that those that are yet to be discovered..." Bring back the Global Windy please, at least it just made me laugh! This tortured logic actually makes me feel ill. :wtf:
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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http://sify.com/news/thousands-of-undiscovered-plant-species-face-extinction-news-international-khiokeahegd.html[^] "'If we take the number of species that are currently known to be threatened and add to that those that are yet to be discovered..." Bring back the Global Windy please, at least it just made me laugh! This tortured logic actually makes me feel ill. :wtf:
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
It's just statistics... The article says that scientists estimate the existence of up to 50 million different species of flowering plants (Though I'm not clear on how they came up with that number)... We've discovered less than 2 million. Therefore, if X% of the ones we've discovered are 'Y', then they extrapolate that X% of the undiscovered ones are also 'Y', where 'Y' can be just about anything. Sure, it assumes that the 2 million we know are a statistically representative sample, or whatever the proper term is, but whatever. It's not an AGW push... It's just a push for general conservation.
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http://sify.com/news/thousands-of-undiscovered-plant-species-face-extinction-news-international-khiokeahegd.html[^] "'If we take the number of species that are currently known to be threatened and add to that those that are yet to be discovered..." Bring back the Global Windy please, at least it just made me laugh! This tortured logic actually makes me feel ill. :wtf:
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
and yet there are those who will simply accept that, because they have some 'ologies' they must be correct. I'd love to see the science behind estimating the unknown and then multiplying it by a number designed to illicit panic amongst those that latch onto any old crap. Oh yes, there are x species now and we know that there were y species until horrid man came and eat them all so there must be y-x*y^pi*666^e left to find that might, just might, already be in danger. :mad:
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It's just statistics... The article says that scientists estimate the existence of up to 50 million different species of flowering plants (Though I'm not clear on how they came up with that number)... We've discovered less than 2 million. Therefore, if X% of the ones we've discovered are 'Y', then they extrapolate that X% of the undiscovered ones are also 'Y', where 'Y' can be just about anything. Sure, it assumes that the 2 million we know are a statistically representative sample, or whatever the proper term is, but whatever. It's not an AGW push... It's just a push for general conservation.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
The article says that scientists estimate the existence of up to 50 million different species of flowering plants (Though I'm not clear on how they came up with that number)... We've discovered less than 2 million.
So there are 48 million 'overwhelmingly rare' plant species out there? OK, I would imagine somone with an interest in botanical things might have noticed though.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
The article says that scientists estimate the existence of up to 50 million different species of flowering plants (Though I'm not clear on how they came up with that number)... We've discovered less than 2 million.
So there are 48 million 'overwhelmingly rare' plant species out there? OK, I would imagine somone with an interest in botanical things might have noticed though.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
So there are 48 million 'overwhelmingly rare' plant species out there? OK, I would imagine somone with an interest in botanical things might have noticed though.
How so? They're basically saying that they calculated the number of species that SHOULD exist... Maybe it's just the number of different possible configurations of some molecular thingamajig... So the other 48 million are probably out there somewhere... Honestly, who cares? You probably just doubled the total number of views on this article by posting it here. If you think it's so stupid, why give it publicity?
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fat_boy wrote:
So there are 48 million 'overwhelmingly rare' plant species out there? OK, I would imagine somone with an interest in botanical things might have noticed though.
How so? They're basically saying that they calculated the number of species that SHOULD exist... Maybe it's just the number of different possible configurations of some molecular thingamajig... So the other 48 million are probably out there somewhere... Honestly, who cares? You probably just doubled the total number of views on this article by posting it here. If you think it's so stupid, why give it publicity?
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and yet there are those who will simply accept that, because they have some 'ologies' they must be correct. I'd love to see the science behind estimating the unknown and then multiplying it by a number designed to illicit panic amongst those that latch onto any old crap. Oh yes, there are x species now and we know that there were y species until horrid man came and eat them all so there must be y-x*y^pi*666^e left to find that might, just might, already be in danger. :mad:
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
digital man wrote:
I'd love to see the science behind estimating the unknown
There you go![^] Note that the study is not designed to illicit (or, more likely, elicit ;P ) panic, but is an attempt to [estimate] how many such species there are [as] an essential step in setting conservation priorities.
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digital man wrote:
I'd love to see the science behind estimating the unknown
There you go![^] Note that the study is not designed to illicit (or, more likely, elicit ;P ) panic, but is an attempt to [estimate] how many such species there are [as] an essential step in setting conservation priorities.
Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.
I was being a little tongue-in-cheek though it is all still just a guesstimate. ;P
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http://sify.com/news/thousands-of-undiscovered-plant-species-face-extinction-news-international-khiokeahegd.html[^] "'If we take the number of species that are currently known to be threatened and add to that those that are yet to be discovered..." Bring back the Global Windy please, at least it just made me laugh! This tortured logic actually makes me feel ill. :wtf:
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
It is a statistical extrapolation of the genetic variability within flora phylums. It is also true that if you want to discover a new species of beetle you need only visit your garden.
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It is a statistical extrapolation of the genetic variability within flora phylums. It is also true that if you want to discover a new species of beetle you need only visit your garden.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
It is a statistical extrapolation of the genetic variability within flora phylums
Within as in whithin the branches emenating from any phylum or within as in between different phylums?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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I was being a little tongue-in-cheek though it is all still just a guesstimate. ;P
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
digital man wrote:
it is all still just a guesstimate
Oh, I agree. They go to all the trouble of building a mathematical model, and then ask experts for estimates against which to assess its performance. That is what I find funny.
Bob Emmett New Eugenicist - The weekly magazine for intelligent parenting. Published by the New World Order Press.
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http://sify.com/news/thousands-of-undiscovered-plant-species-face-extinction-news-international-khiokeahegd.html[^] "'If we take the number of species that are currently known to be threatened and add to that those that are yet to be discovered..." Bring back the Global Windy please, at least it just made me laugh! This tortured logic actually makes me feel ill. :wtf:
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
The joys of statistics. You think this is bad, go read over some of the 'statistical proofs evolution is impossible'. At least this here they have some small basis to work off of other than assumptions. One of the reasons I decided to go with computing rather than the sciences, somewhere between lies, damn lies and statistics I got lost and thought I would be able to actually prove something of consequence. So I went with something that has physical components and real limitations instead.
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The joys of statistics. You think this is bad, go read over some of the 'statistical proofs evolution is impossible'. At least this here they have some small basis to work off of other than assumptions. One of the reasons I decided to go with computing rather than the sciences, somewhere between lies, damn lies and statistics I got lost and thought I would be able to actually prove something of consequence. So I went with something that has physical components and real limitations instead.
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http://sify.com/news/thousands-of-undiscovered-plant-species-face-extinction-news-international-khiokeahegd.html[^] "'If we take the number of species that are currently known to be threatened and add to that those that are yet to be discovered..." Bring back the Global Windy please, at least it just made me laugh! This tortured logic actually makes me feel ill. :wtf:
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
If a species gets wiped out and there is nobody there to witness neither its existence nor its extinction, did this species exist at all?
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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If a species gets wiped out and there is nobody there to witness neither its existence nor its extinction, did this species exist at all?
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
So deserves 5. :thumbsup:
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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If a species gets wiped out and there is nobody there to witness neither its existence nor its extinction, did this species exist at all?
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)