For all you who criticised when I suggested CO2 blocks incoming IR from the sun, NASA agree with me.
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fat_boy wrote:
So, given that the effect of CO2 cant be detected in the earths temperature record one possible reason is thats its net effect is zero. ie, while trapping radiation from the earth it also blocks it from the sun.
The only way I could even see that working would assume an even distribution of CO2 across the atmosphere, which from what I know would be total bunk. What it would cause would be varied levels of insulation across the globe, which would travel along with the rest of the weather patterns. Which could include both capturing heat and pushing it along with the CO2 to create more extreme heat waves, or stagnant CO2 could deflect enough heat to cause lower temperatures. Which all seems to be a very good reason to use the correct term of climate change(as that's what people are actually concerned about rather than some arbitrary measurement of warming), even without assuming humans are behind it, it would be in our interest to have a clue what we could be doing to ourselves.
Distind wrote:
The only way I could even see that working would assume an even distribution of CO2 across the atmosphere
You mean vertically I assume? Yes, its a hunch. Neds measuring. But, take a look at this graph. It shows that a fair amount of solar energy is blocked by the atmosphere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solar_Spectrum.png[^]
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Ahem. http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/3549692/Oh-I-cant-be-bothered-anymore.aspx[^] So your big threat/promise was good for about a week. Just can't leave it alone, can you? Even CSS has enough imagination to change subjects occasionally. :rolleyes:
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I'm actually not very familiar with octonians, but based on my understanding of them, here goes: The complex numbers were used to extend the real numbers so that every polynomial of degree n (highest power) could have exactly n not necessarily unique solutions; so, for example, x^5 = 1 has exactly 5 solutions. Quaternions were a kind of intellectual exercise to extend the complex numbers in a way that preserves certain properties of them - however, they have an interesting feature that given two quaternions A and B, A.B =/= B.A in general. This is called noncommutativity over multiplication. Octonians took it one ridiculous step further, and not only are they not commutative, they're not associative either, which means that (A.B).C =/= A.(B.C), unlike say real numbers where (5.3).4 = 5.(3.4) = 60.
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Almost anything is polssible given the state of ignorance about what does affect the climate.
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fat_boy wrote:
Almost anything is polssible given the state of ignorance about what does affect the climate.
Including AGW? :)
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fat_boy wrote:
Almost anything is polssible given the state of ignorance about what does affect the climate.
Including AGW? :)
Regards David R --------------------------------------------------------------- "Every program eventually becomes rococo, and then rubble." - Alan Perlis The only valid measurement of code quality: WTFs/minute.
Check and mate :laugh:
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fat_boy wrote:
Almost anything is polssible given the state of ignorance about what does affect the climate.
Including AGW? :)
Regards David R --------------------------------------------------------------- "Every program eventually becomes rococo, and then rubble." - Alan Perlis The only valid measurement of code quality: WTFs/minute.
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Check and mate :laugh:
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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I'm actually not very familiar with octonians, but based on my understanding of them, here goes: The complex numbers were used to extend the real numbers so that every polynomial of degree n (highest power) could have exactly n not necessarily unique solutions; so, for example, x^5 = 1 has exactly 5 solutions. Quaternions were a kind of intellectual exercise to extend the complex numbers in a way that preserves certain properties of them - however, they have an interesting feature that given two quaternions A and B, A.B =/= B.A in general. This is called noncommutativity over multiplication. Octonians took it one ridiculous step further, and not only are they not commutative, they're not associative either, which means that (A.B).C =/= A.(B.C), unlike say real numbers where (5.3).4 = 5.(3.4) = 60.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I'm actually not very familiar with octonians, but based on my understanding of them, here goes:
Just so you know...that's where you lost my interest. wow...definitely agree with Ian...glad I didn't major in math.
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Little bit of advice, give up trying to look clever all the time. I know you want to impress people here, you've already done that. Relax a bit, have a laugh more. Tell some crap jokes. :)
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I'm not trying to impress people.
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I'm not trying to impress people.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I'm not trying to impress people.
Ambiguity, thy name is Ravel H. Joyce. :-D
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NOT NOT NOT! :suss: ;P
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I'm actually not very familiar with octonians, but based on my understanding of them, here goes:
Just so you know...that's where you lost my interest. wow...definitely agree with Ian...glad I didn't major in math.
William Winner wrote:
Just so you know...that's where you lost my interest.
Phh. Anybody can just talk about something they have a clue about. :laugh: It was hardly a rigorous treatment of the nature of octonians.
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Trying to be serious here, give it a chance at least. :)
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