Interesting shameless British law!
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As I recall someone can only squat* in an empty (unoccupied) house. *Is it me, or does "squat" seem a ridiculous name?
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No, it need not be empty, as long as it is unoccupied, squatters can legally get in and exercise their (stinking) rights! I know you won't agree, but its amazing to know to we British people don;t know our own laws that well! There were many lawyers in teh show who confirmed this to David, and David asked this simple example directly to the guests, and they confirmed.
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Guys, I was listening to the LBC 97.3 this evening, and i came to know about one piece of legislation in this country that is shameless and stinking. The is apparently called squatter's law/rights, whereby a person could just get into anybody's house, lets say when the residents had gone out for a little shopping for an hour or so, and can claim ownership and live there, and the owners / legal residents there cannot do anything about it, other than to go to court to evict the squatters out the premises!!!! We british always moan about people coming into this country, and we paint them all with the same brush as illegal or stealing jobs fom us, and costing our NHS a lot etc, irrespective of the fact that these lelga immigrants might be ading value to this country and go about minding their own business. Now compare that to squatter rights, and one of the advocate in that program says this is a very usual thing that happens in Britain, and day in and day out this happensm and legal owners will have to spend 10s of thousands of pounds to get the squatters out of the property, via court. I wonder why we have a law that allows British people to let do illegal tresspass into other's houses, and say sorry we can;t do anything about it, please go to court and get them out!!!! Just so you know... if you leave for work in the morning, and when you get back home, you can expect squatters in your home, and not allow you to come in, until you go to court to take them out. From what the advocate said in the program, I believe the squatters break in, and change the lock, and that is it! They can;t be touiched by police or whoever! Shameless British law!!!!! If we let this continue, no one will have any intention to work and earn, they will simply move into other's houses as they wish.
As someone who works in the Property Industry I can add that this is the law, however there is also no law forbidding a homeowner to re-enter the property and remove them. Just bring a locksmith, and once in, change the locks, they then have no squatters rights, however you may want to bring several of your larger, more muscle-bound friends with you.
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I am not calling you a liar. However, I find it really hard to believe that this is true...that this can really happen. Granted, I am in the USA and not in England. As far as I know we don't have any laws like that here and I am surprised that you would have laws protecting "Squatters" in England.
I did not believe all this when the show was going, and me a British did not know until today that this stinking law exists in my country. Shame!! Only when sevveral lawyers and squatters themselves came into the show and confirmed to the LBC, i could digest it! Now i can see from where this concept of benefits, free lunch scrounging ideas of British came from. This must have been there for centuries here.
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No, it need not be empty, as long as it is unoccupied, squatters can legally get in and exercise their (stinking) rights! I know you won't agree, but its amazing to know to we British people don;t know our own laws that well! There were many lawyers in teh show who confirmed this to David, and David asked this simple example directly to the guests, and they confirmed.
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I did not believe all this when the show was going, and me a British did not know until today that this stinking law exists in my country. Shame!! Only when sevveral lawyers and squatters themselves came into the show and confirmed to the LBC, i could digest it! Now i can see from where this concept of benefits, free lunch scrounging ideas of British came from. This must have been there for centuries here.
It is known as a HELUVA Problem, (Hostile, Exclusive, Lasting, Uninterrupted, Visible and Actual). That is the basis of Squatters obtaining possession.
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As someone who works in the Property Industry I can add that this is the law, however there is also no law forbidding a homeowner to re-enter the property and remove them. Just bring a locksmith, and once in, change the locks, they then have no squatters rights, however you may want to bring several of your larger, more muscle-bound friends with you.
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" however there is also no law forbidding a homeowner to re-enter the property and remove them." LBC asked this to a policeman (I think) there, and he confirmed that if the squatters won;t allow the owners into the house, if the owners try to enter teh house - then that will be illegal, and squatters can call police and get the owner arrested for infringing the squatters rights. I am sure you won;t accept it, but you and i are not police, and that guy knows his job. "Just bring a locksmith, and once in, change the locks," Nope that cannot be done. If you enter the house to do this, you can be arrested - see my above answer as to what that policeman said to David. The policeman and the lawyer confirmed that this is day-in and day-out thing that is happening, and all owners go through court spending 1000s of pounds.
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I am not calling you a liar. However, I find it really hard to believe that this is true...that this can really happen. Granted, I am in the USA and not in England. As far as I know we don't have any laws like that here and I am surprised that you would have laws protecting "Squatters" in England.
Here[^] take a look at the 'What you can and can't do' section. It could happen as code_wiz suggests. As far as damaging the property to gain access part goes the good old 'A big boy did it and ran away' defence often works because as far as the police are concerned it becomes a 'he said, she said' situation. With no certainty of a conviction and the civil law available the police will often opt for the path of least resistance.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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" however there is also no law forbidding a homeowner to re-enter the property and remove them." LBC asked this to a policeman (I think) there, and he confirmed that if the squatters won;t allow the owners into the house, if the owners try to enter teh house - then that will be illegal, and squatters can call police and get the owner arrested for infringing the squatters rights. I am sure you won;t accept it, but you and i are not police, and that guy knows his job. "Just bring a locksmith, and once in, change the locks," Nope that cannot be done. If you enter the house to do this, you can be arrested - see my above answer as to what that policeman said to David. The policeman and the lawyer confirmed that this is day-in and day-out thing that is happening, and all owners go through court spending 1000s of pounds.
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If you are doubting the voracity of the statements regarding the law, rather than the histrionic way it was delivered, then I have to tell you that it is substantially correct. Of course, if you have sufficient, large witnesses to hand who are prepared to swear that the oafs broke in whilst you were inside, eviction is a lot less costly. :-D
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
Henry Minute wrote:
If you are doubting the voracity of the statements regarding the law, rather than the histrionic way it was delivered, then I have to tell you that it is substantially correct.
Actually I was referring to the horrible spelling and grammar but the histrionic delivery didn't help.
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Here[^] take a look at the 'What you can and can't do' section. It could happen as code_wiz suggests. As far as damaging the property to gain access part goes the good old 'A big boy did it and ran away' defence often works because as far as the police are concerned it becomes a 'he said, she said' situation. With no certainty of a conviction and the civil law available the police will often opt for the path of least resistance.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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I was not snubbing you but you do have a tendency to go a little over the top sometimes. Perhaps it's just my British reserve. :)
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Henry Minute wrote:
If you are doubting the voracity of the statements regarding the law, rather than the histrionic way it was delivered, then I have to tell you that it is substantially correct.
Actually I was referring to the horrible spelling and grammar but the histrionic delivery didn't help.
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Guys, I was listening to the LBC 97.3 this evening, and i came to know about one piece of legislation in this country that is shameless and stinking. The is apparently called squatter's law/rights, whereby a person could just get into anybody's house, lets say when the residents had gone out for a little shopping for an hour or so, and can claim ownership and live there, and the owners / legal residents there cannot do anything about it, other than to go to court to evict the squatters out the premises!!!! We british always moan about people coming into this country, and we paint them all with the same brush as illegal or stealing jobs fom us, and costing our NHS a lot etc, irrespective of the fact that these lelga immigrants might be ading value to this country and go about minding their own business. Now compare that to squatter rights, and one of the advocate in that program says this is a very usual thing that happens in Britain, and day in and day out this happensm and legal owners will have to spend 10s of thousands of pounds to get the squatters out of the property, via court. I wonder why we have a law that allows British people to let do illegal tresspass into other's houses, and say sorry we can;t do anything about it, please go to court and get them out!!!! Just so you know... if you leave for work in the morning, and when you get back home, you can expect squatters in your home, and not allow you to come in, until you go to court to take them out. From what the advocate said in the program, I believe the squatters break in, and change the lock, and that is it! They can;t be touiched by police or whoever! Shameless British law!!!!! If we let this continue, no one will have any intention to work and earn, they will simply move into other's houses as they wish.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
It also then descends to a civil matter, not a criminal one, and the police have no jurisdiction.
I thought I said that, but yes you are right. :)
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Hmmm in that case you might want to use proper words too - "didn't" is no proper English word. We can go on and on about this. Forget it!
Didn't you learn English as a child? Didn't is a perfectly cromulent word. Contraction of Did Not. I Haven't wasted your time have I? :)
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I don't think it was the police that helped your situation there, it might have been the "some muscle-bound friends" that did the trick to sort out things there :)
The word is Don't, not Don;t Teh? What is Teh? However, as we were told by the officer present, "Carry On".
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It was a breaking news for me, and from teh answers from some here, i can see it was a breaking news for many here. Now, it is a shameful matter for us British, irrespective of whether it is breaking news or not!