GW blurb of the day
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Satelite temp data suspect: US Government admits satellite temperature readings “degraded.” All data taken offline in shock move. Global warming temperatures may be 10 to 15 degrees too high.[^] Crop yield increases: CO2 enrichment is likely to increase yields of most crops by approximately 13 per cent[^]
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Yes, very nice media spin. Almost as good as Infowars. The real story? One sensor on one satellite used for water surface temperature mapping has failed, so they removed images from certain areas (I haven't narrowed down the exact scope) because they contain some inaccurate data. They've adjusted it to bypass the broken sensor now. And exactly who is "they" and what data are we talking about? Surface temperature readings of the Michigan great lakes... http://coastwatch.msu.edu/[^] Oh, but we can't have actual facts, can we? No... Those aren't scary enough. Seriously, if you want to post real information, fine... It's an open forum, even if the whole issue is getting extremely boring... But do us all a favor and skip the media spin, will you?
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Yes, very nice media spin. Almost as good as Infowars. The real story? One sensor on one satellite used for water surface temperature mapping has failed, so they removed images from certain areas (I haven't narrowed down the exact scope) because they contain some inaccurate data. They've adjusted it to bypass the broken sensor now. And exactly who is "they" and what data are we talking about? Surface temperature readings of the Michigan great lakes... http://coastwatch.msu.edu/[^] Oh, but we can't have actual facts, can we? No... Those aren't scary enough. Seriously, if you want to post real information, fine... It's an open forum, even if the whole issue is getting extremely boring... But do us all a favor and skip the media spin, will you?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
One sensor on one satellite used for water surface temperature mapping has failed
Spoil-sport!
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me
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Yes, very nice media spin. Almost as good as Infowars. The real story? One sensor on one satellite used for water surface temperature mapping has failed, so they removed images from certain areas (I haven't narrowed down the exact scope) because they contain some inaccurate data. They've adjusted it to bypass the broken sensor now. And exactly who is "they" and what data are we talking about? Surface temperature readings of the Michigan great lakes... http://coastwatch.msu.edu/[^] Oh, but we can't have actual facts, can we? No... Those aren't scary enough. Seriously, if you want to post real information, fine... It's an open forum, even if the whole issue is getting extremely boring... But do us all a favor and skip the media spin, will you?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)It is boring and yet... he continues with it. With a little imagination I bet I could make up a website and link to it from the comments area of an infowars article and start my own following of idiots ready to be bilked. Maybe I could sell them some gold (gold painted rocks) to their house.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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It is boring and yet... he continues with it. With a little imagination I bet I could make up a website and link to it from the comments area of an infowars article and start my own following of idiots ready to be bilked. Maybe I could sell them some gold (gold painted rocks) to their house.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Better yet, quote individual words from Infowars articles, out of context, and spin it to seem like it's pro-government. That'd be a great reversal :) Then do the same for fat_boy's favorite sites, making them look like AGW proponents
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Yes, very nice media spin. Almost as good as Infowars. The real story? One sensor on one satellite used for water surface temperature mapping has failed, so they removed images from certain areas (I haven't narrowed down the exact scope) because they contain some inaccurate data. They've adjusted it to bypass the broken sensor now. And exactly who is "they" and what data are we talking about? Surface temperature readings of the Michigan great lakes... http://coastwatch.msu.edu/[^] Oh, but we can't have actual facts, can we? No... Those aren't scary enough. Seriously, if you want to post real information, fine... It's an open forum, even if the whole issue is getting extremely boring... But do us all a favor and skip the media spin, will you?
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Oh dont be so tetchy! Its still interesting that the satellite read the temperature as 612F!
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Not really. It's just a hardware glitch on a satellite. Yet you still tried to use it to "disprove" global warming.
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Not really. It's just a hardware glitch on a satellite. Yet you still tried to use it to "disprove" global warming.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)party pooper ;P
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Not really. It's just a hardware glitch on a satellite. Yet you still tried to use it to "disprove" global warming.
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How often are the sensors callibrated?
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I don't know... You tell me.
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I don't know... You tell me.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Whether or not you know or he knows about how the sensors are calibrated isn't relevant. The hardware failed. It happens. So what?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Whether or not you know or he knows about how the sensors are calibrated isn't relevant. The hardware failed. It happens. So what?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
He's going to try to claim that the sensors in all of the satellites are too inaccurate to be used as evidence in support of the GW theory... And if he wants to try that, he can do his own research instead of just asking loaded questions.
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He's going to try to claim that the sensors in all of the satellites are too inaccurate to be used as evidence in support of the GW theory... And if he wants to try that, he can do his own research instead of just asking loaded questions.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I'd like to see him make a satellite, launch it and then question the results. When politics and science ride in the same cart you get about as much sense as religion and politics in the same cart, pure nonsense.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Whether or not you know or he knows about how the sensors are calibrated isn't relevant. The hardware failed. It happens. So what?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
wolfbinary wrote:
The hardware failed. It happens. So what?
The hardware failed and a stupidly wrong temperature reading got through unnoticed and was published. So now, what are the chances of other failures of smaller magnitude in all the other hardware? If they dont callibrate the sensors regularly, and it seems they dont, then its a joke, not science, or even engineering for that matter. Heck, when I worked in engineering we had all out measuring devices callibrated once a month. Slip gauges, DTIs, micrometers. Its basic procedure.
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I'd like to see him make a satellite, launch it and then question the results. When politics and science ride in the same cart you get about as much sense as religion and politics in the same cart, pure nonsense.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
No, I havent worked on satelites. Apache helicopters was the closest I got. Did I tell you I used to be in mech aero eng? So go away little boy, you are in the company of grown ups here who know what they are talking about. ;P
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wolfbinary wrote:
The hardware failed. It happens. So what?
The hardware failed and a stupidly wrong temperature reading got through unnoticed and was published. So now, what are the chances of other failures of smaller magnitude in all the other hardware? If they dont callibrate the sensors regularly, and it seems they dont, then its a joke, not science, or even engineering for that matter. Heck, when I worked in engineering we had all out measuring devices callibrated once a month. Slip gauges, DTIs, micrometers. Its basic procedure.
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Posted elsewhere on 13th Aug. Coastwatch apologises: NOTICE: Due to degradation of a satellite sensor used by this mapping product, some images have exhibited extreme high and low surface temperatures. Please disregard these images as anomalies. Future images will not include data from the degraded satellite and images caused by the faulty satellite sensor will be/have been removed from the image archive. All well and good, but why were the anomalies allowed to appear? Coastwatch is completely automated so you can see how something like this could slip through. Chuck Pistis Program Coordinator Er, no Chuck, I can't. Data processing lesson #1 - GIGO, circa 1956 Was it possible for this data to 'slip through' into the the data bank that is being used as the basis for future economic policy. I would doubt it, but ... ? Hence my support of those from other disciplines questioning the provenance and processing of data.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
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Posted elsewhere on 13th Aug. Coastwatch apologises: NOTICE: Due to degradation of a satellite sensor used by this mapping product, some images have exhibited extreme high and low surface temperatures. Please disregard these images as anomalies. Future images will not include data from the degraded satellite and images caused by the faulty satellite sensor will be/have been removed from the image archive. All well and good, but why were the anomalies allowed to appear? Coastwatch is completely automated so you can see how something like this could slip through. Chuck Pistis Program Coordinator Er, no Chuck, I can't. Data processing lesson #1 - GIGO, circa 1956 Was it possible for this data to 'slip through' into the the data bank that is being used as the basis for future economic policy. I would doubt it, but ... ? Hence my support of those from other disciplines questioning the provenance and processing of data.
Bob Emmett "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" -Charles Babbage, Passages from the Life of a Philosopher
Yes, its shoddy. Damn shoddy. But thats the reality with the whole of AGW science. Its shoddy work. Bad methods, poor process, corrupted data, all done intentionally to show something that isnt there (not that I am saying warming isnt there, but the extent of the warming has been distorted). And in fact the enquiries into for example Manns Hockey Stick graph have stated exactly this.
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